CBS Sportsline - Overrated & Underrated players from each team

[The30YardSlant]

He is by far the best FS in the NFC and has been snubbed both years.

Brian Dawkins would disagree with you

 

[littlewebs]

I find it ridiculous that 3 plays have turned Roy Williams into the league's most overrated player. Yeah let's forget the other 500 plays where he was great and just focus on 2 deep balls to Santana Moss and 1 missed tackle on Tony Gonzalez. I mean, if he can't stop those guys he is clearly terrible.

For crying out loud, Sean Taylor got burned by Terry Glenn (in Skins fans' minds a far inferior receiver to Moss) in the SAME GAME as Moss beat Roy. But he's revolutionizing the safety position and Roy sucks in coverage. Whatever, happy 300 for me I guess.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Everytime Skins fans bring up how bad RW is in coverage, I pose this question:

How many plays can you name in which Roy Williams wa beaten badly in coverage?

I can name 6 in just 2 years for Sean Taylor

I can only think of 3 for RW in 4 years

Just because Taylor is faster does not mean he is great in coverage

 

[superpunk]

For who?

Taylor? Or Williams?

Williams.

Or any player in the entire league. Unless you count Mario Edwards circa 2003....

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Sean Taylor goes to bed at night praying to become as good as Roy Williams is.

And what is this about Roy's tackling ability? The guy misses a tackle every once in a while, but in general he is one of the most sure tacklers on the team.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

And I guess no one is buying the Cowboy coaches assertion that Moss wasn't Roy's responsibility on either play. He was trying to help cover someone else's bust.

But that doesn't matter, it was Williams that ended up the closest to him...it's his fault.

 

[1fisher]

I find it ridiculous that 3 plays have turned Roy Williams into the league's most overrated player. Yeah let's forget the other 500 plays where he was great and just focus on 2 deep balls to Santana Moss and 1 missed tackle on Tony Gonzalez. I mean, if he can't stop those guys he is clearly terrible.

For crying out loud, Sean Taylor got burned by Terry Glenn (in Skins fans' minds a far inferior receiver to Moss) in the SAME GAME as Moss beat Roy. But he's revolutionizing the safety position and Roy sucks in coverage. Whatever, happy 300 for me I guess.

Oh, and lets not forget that dredful day in December, 2004 when a rookie 7th round pick (correct me if I'm wrong) torched taylor for the game winning TD! Beaten by the arm of Vinny Testeverde! I was at that game and in the endzone where it all took place! Sean who???

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If Aaron Glenn didnt blow the Commander game last year, no one would sat all this Roy cant cover stuff

How many plays does he make? Fumbles forced? Routes altered?

Sean Taylor is ranked higher than Roy by some people, and Ive read he is a HOF'er allready hes overrated

Mine:
Cowboys: Over: FLozell
Underrated: Newman

Eagles: Over: Mcnabb
Under: LJ Smith

Skins: Over: Cooley
Under: M. Washington

Giants: Eli
Under: Gibril Wilson

 

[littlewebs]

Everytime Skins fans bring up how bad RW is in coverage, I pose this question:

How many plays can you name in which Roy Williams wa beaten badly in coverage?

I can name 6 in just 2 years for Sean Taylor

I can only think of 3 for RW in 4 years

Just because Taylor is faster does not mean he is great in coverage

I think the 5 extra speed points in Madden is one of the main reasons for this perception. No one will admit it, though. I personally think it has slowly brainwashed everybody, because speed is everything in defensive coverage on Madden.

And by the way, I've never seen anyone answer the "how many plays can you name RW being beat?" question ever. It is always ignored. You can count on it.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

You know whats overrated? The overrating of Roy Williams, everyone and their mother does it now. Apparently now he's no more than an in the box scrub. He's not a top-tier safety? That's laughable.

I'll agree with the coverage stuff, but he's not a FS, so there's a big difference. The thing is is that RW is a "playmaker;" he has intangables that most safeties to not.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

And I guess no one is buying the Cowboy coaches assertion that Moss wasn't Roy's responsibility on either play. He was trying to help cover someone else's bust.

But that doesn't matter, it was Williams that ended up the closest to him...it's his fault.

Glenn didnt force Moss inside. If he did Roy would of been able to make a play, as it was Roy had to cover one guy down the middle, and one guy on the outside, either way, someone was going to score on that play bc of Glenn.

IMO on the 2nd one, Roy should of been deeper and he did make a mistake

 

[superpunk]

Lots of agreement here.

Sean Taylor is, and will be, a fantastic player in the league, I'd love to have him next to Roy.

It is incredibly interesting, however - that Roy makes more plays, and gets beat less (or no more), than Taylor - and he's been doing it longer - but Roy is overrated, and Taylor is underrated.

And someone said Roy would face more criticism if not for the star.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Lots of agreement here.

Sean Taylor is, and will be, a fantastic player in the league, I'd love to have him next to Roy.
It is incredibly interesting, however - that Roy makes more plays, and gets beat less (or no more), than Taylor - and he's been doing it longer - but Roy is overrated, and Taylor is underrated.

And someone said Roy would face more criticism if not for the star.

I wouldnt

Not only is he a complete idiot, has legal troubles, and presents himself like a buffon to everyone he comes in contact with, but he is not a team player and tries to make the highlight real instead of sticking to his assignment

 

[MossBurner]

My guess is - that's why he doesn't play FS.

Call me crazy....

My point was that elite safeties in the league, like Taylor, Dawkins, Reed, Polamalu are all capable of playing either S position.

Roy is not, just like Archuleta is not. Thus, neither are elite.

 

[MossBurner]

For crying out loud, Sean Taylor got burned by Terry Glenn (in Skins fans' minds a far inferior receiver to Moss) in the SAME GAME as Moss beat Roy. But he's revolutionizing the safety position and Roy sucks in coverage. Whatever, happy 300 for me I guess.

Big difference - Sean bit on a flea flicker, he didn't get toasted.

 

[The30YardSlant]

My point was that elite safeties in the league, like Taylor, Dawkins, Reed, Polamalu are all capable of playing either S position.

Roy is not, just like Archuleta is not. Thus, neither are elite.

Charlie Waters could only play 1 safety position, and yet was arguably the best safety in football for a time in the 70s

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Big difference - Sean bit on a flea flicker, he didn't get toasted.

I guess the end result is the same though.

Or one could argue that instead of doing his assignment his mental makeup allowed himself to be beat.

Wasn't that similar to the excuse that people used for him when he got beat by Crayton?

It would pretty much fit seeing that he seems to do many stupid things since joining the league.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Big difference - Sean bit on a flea flicker, he didn't get toasted.

So instead of simply getting beat (like he did by 7th round rookie Patrick Crayton the year before and by rookie Reggie Brown - twice - last season) he was too stupid to recognize a flea flicker when Glenn didnt try and sell AT ALL?

Damn, that's the man I want in my defensive backfield

 

[Vintage]

My point was that elite safeties in the league, like Taylor, Dawkins, Reed, Polamalu are all capable of playing either S position.

Roy is not, just like Archuleta is not. Thus, neither are elite.

To be honest, I've always wondered if we'd have been better off grabbing Levi Jones in Round 1, followed by Michael Lewis in Round 2 in 2002.

The difference between Roy and Michael is smaller than Levi and Rob Pettiti.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Thats what a Flea Flicker is, it takes advantage of a safety who bites