CFL | Quincy Carter heads North

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RCowboyFan said:
Thats pretty much like excuses that Quincy put out. Sorry, sure, he didn't have best of chances. Just like Chad Hutchinson wasn't either. But that has nothing to do with what he did and all the issues he created for himself. Its one thing if failed as QB, like maybe Stoerner did or Chad did. Buts its another thing on all other issues he had, and don't think its just the team issues.

All in all, Quincy never proved to be a real good human being. Either way, its not Cowboys problem. Good luck to him, but I have no sympathy for him at all. And I don't for Chad Hutchison either. Or Stoerner etc. They were all given oppurtunity and didn't succeed. End of story.

aznhalf said:
That has nothing to do with his drug use and conduct off the field! I think its fair to say that he wasn't cut so abruptley due to his on field performance even if he was surrounded by a weak cast. He turned his back on his team by doing something that would get him expelled.

You guys are missing the point, Joseephus was not letting Carter off of the hook for his screw ups. He was only pointing out that Jones handling of the team did not put any of the players in the best position to succeed.

It's ok to rip Carter for his screw ups, but no one can deny that Jones set the entire team up for failure with his screw ups. And the first one IMO was drafting Carter and that safety, when I believe he had a chance to get Shaun Rogers.
 

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Thats pretty much like excuses that Quincy put out. Sorry, sure, he didn't have best of chances. Just like Chad Hutchinson wasn't either. But that has nothing to do with what he did and all the issues he created for himself. Its one thing if failed as QB, like maybe Stoerner did or Chad did. Buts its another thing on all other issues he had, and don't think its just the team issues.

All in all, Quincy never proved to be a real good human being. Either way, its not Cowboys problem. Good luck to him, but I have no sympathy for him at all. And I don't for Chad Hutchison either. Or Stoerner etc. They were all given oppurtunity and didn't succeed. End of story.

I am not saying people should feel sorry for Quincy or even use it as an excuse. I just didn't agree that he was given every opportunity to succeed. That just isn't true. A healthy Troy Aikman would have struggled to succeed on those teams of 2001 and 2002. He would have conducted himself in a much better manner, but the bottom line is that Dallas would not be a playoff team under the conditions that existed.

Quincy has off field issues. Those same issues would have been there even if he and Dallas did succeed. That is obvious. I just don't like blanket statements that point to him being the only reason that Dallas was a bad team. There were lots of factors involved.
 

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No doubt. I always thought QC was drafted too high. Was he good? No. Did he have a chance in 2001 and 2002 to succeed? No. A healthy Aikman would have struggled during those years.

I think a healthy Aikman with the Galloway and Ismail would have done a lot better. Not saying the team would have had great offensive success but then we will never know. What I do know is Carter was given the same chances as Pullure,Hogeboom and more of a chance than other QB's and the fact is the guy was and is not that good.
 

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Say what you want about QC, but he was the last signal-caller to get the 'Boys into the playoffs.

Best of luck, QC. Off the field issues aside, you were always kind to the fans.
 

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no doubt Q-Car tears it up in the CFL.

I'm doubting....
I was saying he belonged in the CFL since we drafted him.
I guess if he doesn't do well there, there's still arena league.
I don't wish the guy ill will or anything, hope he cleans up his life, but he just never was any good. CFL is probably a good fit for his talent and skill level.
 

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Pabst said:
Say what you want about QC, but he was the last signal-caller to get the 'Boys into the playoffs.

Best of luck, QC. Off the field issues aside, you were always kind to the fans.

He got us to the playoffs how did he do that when throwing for more Ints and TD? had any other Dallas QB did that I doubt he would be getting much credit but Carter? Dallas Cowboys the team made it to the playsoffs in 03 due to a defense that lead the league and allowed the fewest points that year not because the great QC lead this team
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I think a healthy Aikman with the Galloway and Ismail would have done a lot better. Not saying the team would have had great offensive success but then we will never know. What I do know is Carter was given the same chances as Pullure,Hogeboom and more of a chance than other QB's and the fact is the guy was and is not that good.
Aikman would have done what he did from '96-2000. The team did not have a ton of offensive success during those years.
Of course he would have done better than Carter, he's a much better QB than Carter. That's not the point, Jones had totally screwed up the franchise by that time. That's the point.
 

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I'm doubting....
I was saying he belonged in the CFL since we drafted him.
I guess if he doesn't do well there, there's still arena league.
I don't wish the guy ill will or anything, hope he cleans up his life, but he just never was any good. CFL is probably a good fit for his talent and skill level.

Even that is doubtful because I never thought he had a strong arm. Those fields are longer and wider than what he is used to.
 

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Aikman would have done what he did from '96-2000. The team did not have a ton of offensive success during those years.
Of course he would have done better than Carter, he's a much better QB than Carter. That's not the point, Jones had totally screwed up the franchise by that time. That's the point.

Well then Jerry taking Carter is part of the screw up while you blast Jerry because of poor picks and poor moves well one of the big moves that blew up in our face was Carter himself.
 

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ghst187 said:
I don't wish the guy ill will or anything, hope he cleans up his life, but he just never was any good.

Exactly.

Never was any good is right.

I give about as much of a crap what he's doing today as I do what our starting FB for a time, Robert Thomas, is doing today.

But that doesnt mean the thread isnt fun to open just to read what others have to say about it. ;)
 

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Well then Jerry taking Carter is part of the screw up while you blast Jerry because of poor picks and poor moves well one of the big moves that blew up in our face was Carter himself.
:laugh2: LOL Dooms, I think I said that just a couple of posts ago. See.
jay cee said:
You guys are missing the point, Joseephus was not letting Carter off of the hook for his screw ups. He was only pointing out that Jones handling of the team did not put any of the players in the best position to succeed.

It's ok to rip Carter for his screw ups, but no one can deny that Jones set the entire team up for failure with his screw ups. And the first one IMO was drafting Carter and that safety, when I believe he had a chance to get Shaun Rogers.
You are so quick to try and bash everything about Carter, you are not comprehending what is being said.

No one is trying to give Carter a pass for his mistakes.
 

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What is ironic about this whole Quincy Carter thing is...

I have been a Cowboy fan for a long, long, long time, just like some of you. And QC gets more reviews/critques and discussion then the great QB's that the Cowboys have had.

Now, I don't ever remember Cowboy fans ever having these kinds of heated debates over someone until QC came along...and that sort of confuses me, yet, I think I know why...:eek:

But, in a Politically Correct world that we live in...I won't reveal my thoughts...but say, it's simple, if you REALLY think about it! :(

Piano keys....
 

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joseephuss said:
I am not saying people should feel sorry for Quincy or even use it as an excuse. I just didn't agree that he was given every opportunity to succeed. That just isn't true. A healthy Troy Aikman would have struggled to succeed on those teams of 2001 and 2002. He would have conducted himself in a much better manner, but the bottom line is that Dallas would not be a playoff team under the conditions that existed.

Quincy has off field issues. Those same issues would have been there even if he and Dallas did succeed. That is obvious. I just don't like blanket statements that point to him being the only reason that Dallas was a bad team. There were lots of factors involved.

I am not sure where fans were saying he was the sole reason that team sucked. If they do, then they are probably in minority. But to say he wasn't given a fair shot is just false. Talent or no Talent, he had plenty of oppurtunity, under BP to suceed. BP took under his wings, no doubt about it.

He wrote his own destinity by squabbling with coaches etc. each time competition was brought in. So its not drug issues we are talking about, since I don't care about those. Its the other stuff, where he really couldn't handle competition, much like Chad was, except Chad wrote his own exit by going directly to BP.
 

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WoodysGirl said:
I'd appreciate if all drug jokes were kept out of this thread...



Thanks...

Oh yeah.... well.... prescription medicine in Canada owns American prices. So there! :p:

Good luck Quincy. If you could take an NFL team to the Playoffs, you can sure as hell do some damage in the CFL. Hope whatever the issues were in Dallas are resolved so you can get back to playin's some ball! :starspin
 

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Hostile said:
Here we go again.

Launch.
:laugh2: It's WG's fault, she started this thread. It should have been placed in the NFL Zone.

Ahh, who am I kidding. A Carter post would start a 12 page thread in the Announcement Zone. :rolleyes:
 

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jay cee said:
:laugh2: It's WG's fault, she started this thread. It should have been placed in the NFL Zone.

Ahh, who am I kidding. A Carter post would start a 12 page thread in the Announcement Zone. :rolleyes:
It's always the woman's fault... Never the man's...

pffpt... :tongue:
 

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Hostile said:
Here we go again.

Launch.

Ahhh, amigo, you need some launch? Here, I give you a nice recipe for some launch...Senior! :)

1/3 c. peanut or vegetable oil
3-1/2 lbs. pork loin or butt, cut in 3/4-inch cubes
2 c. diced onion
2 T. minced garlic
4 c. chicken broth or water
2 t. ground coriander seed
2 t. dried Mexican oregano
2 t. chile caribe
3/4 c. Chimayo ground red chile, mild or medium
1 T. red chile honey
2 T. Sherry vinegar or red wine vinegar
salt to taste

Preheat the oven to 350°.

Heat the oil in a large skillet and brown pork in batches. Set the pork aside. Add the onion to skillet and sauté until golden. Add the garlic and sauté for 1 minute. Deglaze the skillet with 1 c. of the chicken broth, loosening the browned bits with a spoon.

Place the coriander, oregano, chile caribe, red chile, honey, vinegar and salt in the workbowl of a food processor. Add the cooked onions, garlic and broth from the skillet and 2 more c. of chicken broth. Process until the mixture is thoroughly combined.

Place the browned pork, the chile marinade and the remaining 1 c. chicken broth in an ovenproof pot or dish, stir to combine well, and cook for 1 hour or until the pork is tender.

Serves 8

Optional seasonings: ground canela, ground cumin seed, toasted ground chile seeds, toasted ground pumpkin seeds.

Note: This dish reheats wonderfully and is better the next day.

Note: The traditional method for making this dish is to mix the marinade ingredients together and pour this over the meat. Cover the mixture and refrigerate overnight. Pour the meat and the marinade into an ovenproof casserole or pot and bake, covered, for 2 to 2-1/2 hours, or until tender. The method described above, although not so traditional, brings out the flavors of the onion, garlic and pork because the ingredients are caramelized or browned first. Whichever method you choose, the dish is full of flavor and will be a favorite. You can serve the Carne Adovada over chile rellenos, rice, wrapped in a flour tortilla as a burrito, or with beans and posole.
 

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I wish Quincy Carter the best of luck and hopefully if he clean his life up... I hope he ends up in a Dallas Cowboys uniform again... Killing the Commanders..

Atleast we all could say... Quincy Carter was underfeated against the skins... Skins couldn't do nothing with Quincy...
 
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