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[BAT]

I agree with your thinking but we aren't getting
For those guys

I agree, not getting squat because we don't have the jack to ask for it.

 

[BAT]

Name some scrub-level players like these that Belichick traded away for decent picks. When he trades guys away, it's usually guys like Jamie Collins or Richard Seymour, and everyone's surprised that they were willing to trade the player.

Don't mistake your ignorance for reality.

Just last season NE traded away LB Jonathan Bostic to Detroit, AJ Derby (TE) to Denver and OL Brian Stork to Washington for draft picks. WHO ARE THESE SCRUBS??? And supposedly Collins was a known locker room issue (see Ratliff/Owens) and Seymour was old/injury concern (see Romo/Ware) before they were traded. If Cowboys had either player, both would have been released, and everyone here would have said it was the only option.

Pats are also constantly acquiring new blood via trade (future picks/players) or waiver wire pick up like Floyd, Dwayne Allen, Barkevious Mingo, Eric Rowe, Brandin Cook, Kony Ealy, Akiem Hicks, LeGarette Blount, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, etc.

Pats make multiple BIG and SMALL trades EVERY year. Just because you don't have the wherewithal to look it up doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, it's weird how fans hate backups that barely play.

Lucky is another that is despised by many but only played a few offensive snaps and had zero competition as a punt returner.

On the flip side many fans love love love players like Dez that suck up tons of cap space but continue to do stupid stuff, fail to show up in many games, can't even stay hydrated, don't understand that catching the ball in a playoff game against Green Bay is more important than scoring a TD and generally are an embarrasment to the Star.

Yeah like we run one play for Lucky each game yet he's the one taking on the role of scapegoat.

 

[waving monkey]

These players will be discarded, if not this season then next. Cowboys are notorious for losing assets for nothing in return during the Jerry only era. Fans have become lockstep in accepting this outcome.

Except Oscan show us a team that would give hard picks for those players.
Your hate slip is showing

 

[StarBoyz83]

I think Dallas would be hard pressed to get anything for these guys honestly.

 

[Melonfeud]

Not sure fans are loyal, that's why players aren't. Butler helped us last year, made a few mistakes, as a 3rd stringer does. He was only here a year and already, we're done? Okay.

Never figured you as a Brice Butler fan? guess I'll dismiss 10-15% of the Romo hate you've shoveled!

 

[bodi]

but Jason garrett is not bill

THANK GOD

 

[Melonfeud]

Yes, it's weird how fans hate backups that barely play.

Lucky is another that is despised by many but only played a few offensive snaps and had zero competition as a punt returner.

On the flip side many fans love love love players like Dez that suck up tons of cap space but continue to do stupid stuff, fail to show up in many games, can't even stay hydrated, don't understand that catching the ball in a playoff game against Green Bay is more important than scoring a TD and generally are an embarrasment to the Star.

I was wanting to 'like' your post but those last 4-8 harsh/ hurtful and pretty vindictive words put a stop to that nonsense @xwalker cuz' some was true! But the last part isn't.

 

[Clove]

Never figured you as a Brice Butler fan? guess I'll dismiss 10-15% of the Romo hate you've shoveled!

Not sure if you know the difference in giving up on a player after 1 year, or giving up on a player after 5 to 10 years.

 

[Melonfeud]

Never figured you as a Brice Butler fan? guess I'll dismiss 10-15% of the Romo hate you've shoveled!

Not sure if you know the difference in giving up on a player after 1 year, or giving up on a player after 5 to 10 years.

Never figured you for a Brice Butler fan?
Guess I'll dismiss 5% of the Romo hate you've shoveled

 

[xwalker]

I was wanting to 'like' your post but those last 4-8 harsh/ hurtful and pretty vindictive words put a stop to that nonsense @xwalker cuz' some was true! But the last part isn't.

What is part is not true?

Didn"t they win all 3 games that he missed in 2016?

 

[Pants]

so, this trade list of players AND all of the draft assets that we would trade for Watt, et al from the other thread, and we will have 8 or 9 new faces - should make it easier for this year's draftees to make the team.....

....lots-o-ideas going on here and yet, we likely don't make one trade at this point....like I said in the other thread, entertaining, but nuts

 

[AbeBeta]

It's easy to sit now and say doing nothing was the right thing to do because there were no options. There are always other options. You just have to get off your ace and make an effort. Doing right by players is nice, but never forget that each player is also a potential asset and assets don't have any value if teams figure out they don't have to negotiate with the owner because he'll eventually let his players go at end of their contracts or release them outright.

Being a Cowboys fan doesn't mean you have to swallow the party line each and every time.

And it's easy to say "but the Patriots get something for players" while completely ignoring that they trade guys who are still very much in their prime. They yielded a 2nd rounder for Chandler Jones and a 3rd for Jamie Collins. Both guys are young, coming off probowl seasons, and scored large FA deals. Not a single guy you listed fit that description.

You can say"party line" but really, this is more about being able to think critically and not having an agenda.

 

[Clove]

Never figured you for a Brice Butler fan?
Guess I'll dismiss 5% of the Romo hate you've shoveled

I was Romo's biggest fan for first 5 years, so... Not necessarily a big fan of Butler, but not giving up on a guy who stepped in for Dez, in one year.

 

[Melonfeud]

What is part is not true?

Didn"t they win all 3 games that he missed in 2016?

The embarrassment to the star part!

 

[JD_KaPow]

Don't mistake your ignorance for reality.

Just last season NE traded away LB Jonathan Bostic to Detroit, AJ Derby (TE) to Denver and OL Brian Stork to Washington for draft picks. WHO ARE THESE SCRUBS??? And supposedly Collins was a known locker room issue (see Ratliff/Owens) and Seymour was old/injury concern (see Romo/Ware) before they were traded. If Cowboys had either player, both would have been released, and everyone here would have said it was the only option.

Oh lord.

The Patriots acquired Bostic (a former 2nd-rounder and only 25) for a 6th-rounder and the next year traded him away for a conditional 7th-rounder that I'm pretty sure they didn't collect. They traded Stork (4th-rounder, 25 years old) for a conditional 7th-rounder that they didn't collect. They did manage to trade the 25-year-old Derby, a year after drafting him, for a 5th-rounder, this is true, and he promptly started 3 games for the Broncos.

The key is this: all these guys were on their rookie contracts and had multiple years of team control remaining. Zero of the Cowboys you mentioned are in anything like the same position as any of these guys. In fact, every guy you mentioned except Scandrick (who's not going to be cut) is a non-starter, who doesn't ever project to be a starter, and every one of them is on the final year of his contract. You don't get picks for guys like that.

(Also, trading guys for conditional 7th-rounders is not the same as trading "for draft picks": most of those don't materialize).

(By the way, I agree that the Cowboys should more aggressively pursue trades when it makes sense, and I'm a big believer in stockpiling picks. But the only guy you listed that would have any trade value is Scandrick, and I don't see them moving him.)

 

[xwalker]

Oh lord.

The Patriots acquired Bostic (a former 2nd-rounder and only 25) for a 6th-rounder and the next year traded him away for a conditional 7th-rounder that I'm pretty sure they didn't collect. They traded Stork (4th-rounder, 25 years old) for a conditional 7th-rounder that they didn't collect. They did manage to trade the 25-year-old Derby, a year after drafting him, for a 5th-rounder, this is true, and he promptly started 3 games for the Broncos.

The key is this: all these guys were on their rookie contracts and had multiple years of team control remaining. Zero of the Cowboys you mentioned are in anything like the same position as any of these guys. In fact, every guy you mentioned except Scandrick (who's not going to be cut) is a non-starter, who doesn't ever project to be a starter, and every one of them is on the final year of his contract. You don't get picks for guys like that.

(Also, trading guys for conditional 7th-rounders is not the same as trading "for draft picks": most of those don't materialize).

Good post.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

 

[zrinkill]

Bill would get something for them.

Any examples?

 

[BAT]

Oh lord.

The Patriots acquired Bostic (a former 2nd-rounder and only 25) for a 6th-rounder and the next year traded him away for a conditional 7th-rounder that I'm pretty sure they didn't collect. They traded Stork (4th-rounder, 25 years old) for a conditional 7th-rounder that they didn't collect. They did manage to trade the 25-year-old Derby, a year after drafting him, for a 5th-rounder, this is true, and he promptly started 3 games for the Broncos.

The key is this: all these guys were on their rookie contracts and had multiple years of team control remaining. Zero of the Cowboys you mentioned are in anything like the same position as any of these guys. In fact, every guy you mentioned except Scandrick (who's not going to be cut) is a non-starter, who doesn't ever project to be a starter, and every one of them is on the final year of his contract. You don't get picks for guys like that.

(Also, trading guys for conditional 7th-rounders is not the same as trading "for draft picks": most of those don't materialize).

(By the way, I agree that the Cowboys should more aggressively pursue trades when it makes sense, and I'm a big believer in stockpiling picks. But the only guy you listed that would have any trade value is Scandrick, and I don't see them moving him.)

Missing the point. I gave you multiple examples of aging vets, young inexperienced players and players on the bubble. You can look at pats transactions from previous seasons and see examples of players I've discussed, you just choose to play the one off game.

You argue that pats trade away and for players still in their rook contracts, so exactly guys like Escobar, Mo, Jenkins, Wilcox, Leary, Julius Jones, et al in prior years. And I agree with you, only area we disagree is that the Cowboys almost nev r do this.

And to say that players in 2nd but cheap contact are not good trade assets is disingenuous. Marginal players are acquired all the time.