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[JD_KaPow]

Missing the point. I gave you multiple examples of aging vets, young inexperienced players and players on the bubble. You can look at pats transactions from previous seasons and see examples of players I've discussed, you just choose to play the one off game.

I'm looking at them now.
2017: No trades of players for picks.
2016: The only trades listed in 2016 are the ones you cited. The three guys on rookie contracts with multiple years of team control remaining, and Nick Collins.
2015: No trades of players for picks.
2014: They traded Mallet. Rookie contract, multiple years of team control remaining. And, obviously, a QB.
2013: No trades of players for picks.
2012: No trades of players for picks.
2011: No trades of players for picks.

You argue that pats trade away and for players still in their rook contracts, so exactly guys like Escobar, Mo, Jenkins, Wilcox, Leary, Julius Jones, et al in prior years. And I agree with you, only area we disagree is that the Cowboys almost never do this.

I'm not arguing with you that the Cowboys should start doing this more. I'm arguing that trading the guys you listed in your original post, this offseason, for picks, is not feasible, and wouldn't be feasible for Belichick either. (Scandrick excepted, but I wouldn't trade him either).

And to say that players in 2nd but cheap contact are not good trade assets is disingenuous. Marginal players are acquired all the time.

I didn't say "players in 2nd but cheap contracts." I said, "players in the last year of their contract." Marginal players in the last year of their contracts are not acquired for draft picks (real ones, not conditional 7th-rounders) "all the time."

 

[Wood]

Need to trade following guys before Cowboys are forced to cut for nothing:

1. RB Alfred Morris: Not beating DMC for Zeke's leftovers, 3rd string RB needs to play ST

2. KR/Slot Lucky Whitehead: Writing on wall with Switzer pick in 4th round, not a RKG to boot

3. CB Orlando Scandrick: Still very good starter but always nicked up, Lewis/Jones/Brown/Awuzie can all play nickel corner w/o great drop off - was rumored to be on trade block for good reason (3 corners drafted)

4. WR Brice Butler: Great size and speed, but inconsistent, spacey and not good run blocker - work ethic, physicality & penchant for big plays by Ryan Switzer and Noah Brown likely forces him out - Andy Jones also lurking

5. LB/RDE/ST Kyle Wilber: Jack of all trades, master of absolutely none, RKG but faster LB/SS hybrids like Nzeocha, Joe Jones and Luke Wacha plus more real DE options like Benson, Irving, Tank, Taco, Tap, Leslie and Neal finally force out this hard working dude

If Cowboys can get some mid-low picks plus a true pressure player at RDE (aging vet and/or young unknown like Tyrone Holmes) instead of losing these players for nada then I have hope Garrett is finally learning from his mentor, Belichick, about turning over and collecting assets.

Right now I have Scandrick as CB#1. Until that changes he is going nowhere. I also would hold onto everything they have at LB because little birdies are chirping in my ear again that they will be surprised if Jaylon Smith plays a game this year.

 

[BAT]

I'm looking at them now.
2017: No trades of players for picks. WRONG
2016: The only trades listed in 2016 are the ones you cited. The three guys on rookie contracts with multiple years of team control remaining, and Nick Collins. GAVE YOU THIS ONE FOR FREE
2015: No trades of players for picks. WRONG
2014: They traded Mallet. Rookie contract, multiple years of team control remaining. And, obviously, a QB. WRONG
2013: No trades of players for picks. WRONG
2012: No trades of players for picks. WRONG
2011: No trades of players for picks.

I'm not arguing with you that the Cowboys should start doing this more. I'm arguing that trading the guys you listed in your original post, this offseason, for picks, is not feasible, and wouldn't be feasible for Belichick either. (Scandrick excepted, but I wouldn't trade him either).
I didn't say "players in 2nd but cheap contracts." I said, "players in the last year of their contract." Marginal players in the last year of their contracts are not acquired for draft picks (real ones, not conditional 7th-rounders) "all the time."

Either you are incompetent or you are a glutton for punishment. In any event, you could not work for me - all you come up with are excuses and no win scenarios. Do your own damn research going forward AND do it better.

03/11/17
Acquired WR Brandin Cooks in a trade with the New Orleans Saints, and DL Kony Ealy in a trade with the Carolina Panthers.

03/09/17
Acquired TE Dwayne Allen in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for an undisclosed draft selection.

10/01/15
Acquired DL Akiem Hicks from Saints in exchange for TE Michael Hoomanawanui. Signed DL Khyri Thornton from the practice squad to the 53-man roster. Signed DB Brandon Dixon, OL Sean Hickey, WR Austin Hill and LB Eric Martin to the practice squad.

09/29/15
Acquired LB Jonathan Bostic in a trade with the Chicago Bears. Released RB Travaris Cadet.

09/17/15
Acquired WR Keshawn Martin in a trade with the Houston Texans in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick. Released DL Khyri Thornton.

09/01/15
Acquired WR Jalen Saunders in a trade with the New Orleans Saints in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick. Claimed rookie WR DaVaris Daniels off waivers from Minnesota. Placed FB James Develin and rookie DB Darryl Roberts on Injured Reserve, placed LB Dane Fletcher and DL Chris Jones on the PUP/Reserve list and released G Chris Barker and rookie LB D.J. Lynch.

08/26/15
Acquired T Michael Williams in a trade with the Detroit Lions.

08/18/15
Acquired TE Asante Cleveland from San Francisco in exchange for OL Jordan Devey. Released LB L.J. Fort and TE Logan Stokes.

10/28/14
Acquired veteran LB Jonathan Casillas in a trade with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Released OL Chris Barker.

10/22/14
Announced trade with Tennessee Titans for LB Akeem Ayers. Released Ja'Gared Davis.

08/31/14
Traded QB Ryan Mallett to the Houston Texans; Released Chris White. Claimed Kelcy Quarles and Bruce Gaston off of waivers.

08/26/14
Acquired second-year TE Tim Wright and a 2015 fourth-round draft pick in a trade with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for G Logan Mankins.

08/15/14
Acquired DE Jerel Worthy from the Green Bay Packers in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick and DT Ben Bass in a trade with the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for DB Justin Green. Placed rookie TE Terrence Miller on injured reserve.


That's 3 trades in 2017 you missed and another SIX in 2015 and FIVE in 2014 (how you found Mallet, only the monkey knows) you were simply clueless about. And so on and so on. You are obviously not informed enough about this subject to have a meaningful dialog but you continue to insist you are right when you absolutely have no idea of what you don't know. The Patriots are extremely active in acquisitions (big trades, small trades, trade downs, waiver wire, off practice squads, signing troubled/injured players, former first rounders, etc.) especially in the last 5 seasons.

Find the rest on your own, I can't do your work for you. I will even give you link, God knows you need it.

http://www.patriots.com/team/transactions

 

[black label]

I hear you but honestly don't think anyone is trading for any of those guys.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Either you are incompetent or you are a glutton for punishment. In any event, you could not work for me - all you come up with are excuses and no win scenarios. Do your own damn research going forward AND do it better.

Wow. Talk about accusing somebody of doing what you yourself are in fact doing.

This discussion is only about trading players away for draft picks. In your original post, you said the Cowboys should trade a specific set of guys, and then you claimed that Belichick would be able to trade these guys for picks. I have been explaining to you (a) why this is not true and (b) that Belichick has not, in fact, traded guys like these away for draft picks.

None of this has anything to do with how the Patriots (or the Cowboys) acquire players. If you want to have that conversation, that's fine, but that's not the conversation we're having. Well, except that you're trying to make it into that conversation, presumably because you're losing the original debate.

You'll note I said the Patriots, in a number of years, made "no trades of players for picks." I said nothing about trading picks for players, because, again, that's not relevant to the conversation we were having. Every trade you listed that I "missed" was in fact a player acquisition by the Patriots, not a case where they managed to trade someone for picks. Which is why I made no mention of them. Obviously.

Wow.

 

[BAT]

Wow. Talk about accusing somebody of doing what you yourself are in fact doing.

This discussion is only about trading players away for draft picks. In your original post, you said the Cowboys should trade a specific set of guys, and then you claimed that Belichick would be able to trade these guys for picks. I have been explaining to you (a) why this is not true and (b) that Belichick has not, in fact, traded guys like these away for draft picks.

None of this has anything to do with how the Patriots (or the Cowboys) acquire players. If you want to have that conversation, that's fine, but that's not the conversation we're having. Well, except that you're trying to make it into that conversation, presumably because you're losing the original conversation.

You'll note I said the Patriots, in a number of years, made "no trades of players for picks." I said nothing about trading picks for players, because, again, that's not relevant to the conversation we were having. Every trade you listed that I "missed" was in fact an acquisition by the Patriots, not a case where they managed to trade someone for picks. Which is why I made no mention of them.

Wow.

Wow is right. Even if you are going to spin it now for "did not mean trade for players" instead of just trades for picks. You were completely wrong. There were only a handful of trades in above proof that are just for players (which is irrelevant - the TRADE is the point) only. And many of the players were average to below average players.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about. You are really going to take 4 trades (for players) OUT OF ABOUT TWENTY and try to use that to disprove that you were talking out the side of your ace??

 

[JD_KaPow]

Wow is right. Even if you are going to spin it now for "did not mean trade for players" instead of just trades for picks. You were completely wrong. There were only a handful of trades in above proof that are just for players (which is irrelevant - the TRADE is the point) only. And many of the players were average to below average players.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

There's exactly one case in your list where the Patriots (a) traded away a player and (b) received a pick, that I actually did miss, and that was the Mankins trade. And again, surprise surprise, Logan Mankins is nothing like the guys you listed in the OP to trade away (except Scandrick, who I have always agreed they could trade). None of the others involved the Pats receiving a pick.

The rest of what you wrote here makes no sense. I have been completely consistent in my arguments in this thread, as anyone who reads it can see. The fact that you keep trying to change the terms of the debate is not my problem. The Cowboys are extremely unlikely to be able to trade, say, Alfred Morris, for anything. And Belichick couldn't (and hasn't), either.