Chargers and the 3rd pick

[Sydla]

Just received a text from my bay area sportswriter friend:

"SD is pulling the trigger on Buckner. Ramsey a lock to Dallas."

Trade the pick. Trade the pick. Trade the pick, Jerry.

Buckner at 3 to SD? Ewwwwww............

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Trade the pick. Trade the pick. Trade the pick, Jerry.

Buckner at 3 to SD? Ewwwwww............

DeForest Buckner has been under-rated the entire process. In an outstanding group of DLinemen, he's the best out there - with the highest ceiling to boot. Jalen Ramsey has been disregarded in the same way, Draft one of these two! PLUS no off the field issues as well.

 

[Sydla]

lol.. I don't think there is any real reason to debate any further on this with you. We clearly see things differently. I will be happy with Jalen or Zeke. Just pulling for Zeke because I want to win now.

It's a legit question. Why is it assumed that if you take Ramsey or Bosa or Buckner or anyone other than Elliott at 4, it's destined to be a choice for winning down the road and not winning now and that the only possibly player at 4, or maybe in the entire draft, that can win now is Elliott?

Do you realize how bizarre that sounds?

 

[revospeed]

LOL at trying to make a technological comparison here.

Holy hell you Elliott lovers know no bounds to illogical arguments.

If you can't see the metaphor there, I'll spell it out.

Sometimes, even if you've invested a lot in something already (in our case the offensive line, in Jobs' case, the iPod) it is worth investing in it more (in our case, drafting Zeke, in Jobs' case, investing more money) to create a great product (In our case, a great running game, in Jobs' case, the iPhone). Instead of getting complacent and looking to improve on other areas. Are you seeing the comparison or should I come up with something else?

Or I could be completely illogical. If I am, point out how that isn't a logical metaphor and I'll admit that I am wrong.

 

[Sydla]

DeForest Buckner has been under-rated the entire process. In an outstanding group of DLinemen, he's the best out there - with the highest ceiling to boot. Jalen Ramsey has been disregarded in the same way, Draft one of these two! PLUS no off the field issues as well.

One, I don't trust Oregon front seven players. Two, if he's as talented as claimed, he certainly should have been more dominant at Oregon.

He's easily the scariest prospect I think the Cowboys could take at 4.

 

[Philmonroe]

Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick. You want to go get a corner in the 5th round? I'm all for it. At 4? Insanity.

You can say that about any position.

Yeah this logic is soo bogus outside of QB where outside of a few players relatively if you don't get them early chances are they aren't going to do much in the league.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I thought that yesterday, but not now. Dallas wants Elliott.

However, the thing to watch is to see if anybody else trades up to 3 to take Elliott.

Elliott is actually the player many former personnel people say is the best talent in the draft. Mayock, Casserly, and Riddick all think so.

They are not taking Elliott my man, you will just have to get over that. At about 9pm that dream should end for you. Unless they trade back. Now that would be a dream very much welcome.

 

[Sydla]

If you can't see the metaphor there, I'll spell it out.

Sometimes, even if you've invested a lot in something already (in our case the offensive line, in Jobs' case, the iPod) it is worth investing in it more (in our case, drafting Zeke, in Jobs' case, investing more money) to create a great product (In our case, a great running game, in Jobs' case, the iPhone). Instead of getting complacent. Are you seeing the comparison or should I come up with something else?

The metaphor doesn't work. It's a terrible metaphor. How can't you see that?

 

[Direwolf63]

DeForest Buckner has been under-rated the entire process. In an outstanding group of DLinemen, he's the best out there - with the highest ceiling to boot. Jalen Ramsey has been disregarded in the same way, Draft one of these two! PLUS no off the field issues as well.

Wonderlic score of 9. Dumb guy. We have too many of those already. Especially on the d-line.

 

[revospeed]

The metaphor doesn't work. It's a terrible metaphor. How can't you see that?

I dunno. Why doesn't it work? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Sydla]

I dunno. Why doesn't it work? I'm genuinely curious.

Because NFL and professional sports in general has little relevance or comparison to the actual business world.

And that doesn't even begin to get into things tied to the technology sector like R&D costs, etc. Apple isn't constrained by things like roster sizes, cap implications, etc. They can and have spent whatever they want to always keep their technology ahead of the game.

So in other words, equating building a running game in the NFL with Apple trying to keep it's iPhone one step ahead of everyone else is strange.

 

[Philmonroe]

I understand what he is saying ........ but I am thinking what a great running back could do behind the line that made Murray look good.

And I think that would be more valuable than yet another first round defensive back ....... how many first round defensive backs do we need?

Jesus ........ drafting d-backs is not working ...... our D gets worse every year.

Exactly with bold. Heck Randle before he went batstuff even said something similar even if he did mean himself. Just don't get why people wanna put Prius engines in Lambo bodies

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

One, I don't trust Oregon front seven players. Two, if he's as talented as claimed, he certainly should have been more dominant at Oregon.

He's easily the scariest prospect I think the Cowboys could take at 4.

He's one of the safest choices, both are.

Tunsil, Buckner and Ramsey are walk ons in the NFL, Day 1 starters. With no "off the field issues" to speak of.

 

[Sydla]

He's one of the safest choices, both are.

Tunsil, Buckner and Ramsey are walk ons in the NFL, Day 1 starters with no off the field problems.

We just don't agree on this. I'd take Bosa, Stanley, Jack, etc. over Buckner.

 

[boysfanindc]

Just received a text from my bay area sportswriter friend:

"SD is pulling the trigger on Buckner. Ramsey a lock to Dallas."

Don't play with me.

With the 4th selection of the 2016 NFL draft, Dallas select Derrick Henry running back from the University of Alabama.

 

[revospeed]

Because NFL and professional sports in general has little relevance or comparison to the actual business world.

Wait, so the NFL isn't a business? I disagree. Tell Jerry Jones that professional sports isn't comparable to business. In my Collective Bargaining exam tomorrow I'll be sure to cite you and say that professional sports has little relevance to the actual business world.

Also, assuming that's true and they aren't relevant, the whole point of a metaphor is to use two different things to show that they are similar. Metaphors are used almost exclusively for that purpose.

 

[garyv]

I'm on my phone so it's hard for me to respond.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-o...-laremy-tunsil-being-sued-again-by-stepfather

Well get off the phone than you can

 

[Sydla]

Wait, so the NFL isn't a business? I disagree. Tell Jerry Jones that professional sports isn't comparable to business. In my Collective Bargaining exam tomorrow I'll be sure to cite you and say that professional sports has little relevance to the actual business world.

Also, assuming that's true and they aren't relevant, the whole point of a metaphor is to use two different things to show that they are similar. Metaphors are used almost exclusively for that purpose.

It is a business. In off the field dealings. But we aren't talking about Cowboys revenue sources or advertising revenue or TV contracts or the CBA. We are talking about building a roster.

Building a professional sports roster and paying guys millions of dollars to play a game isn't exactly real world and in line with the thought processes of a Fortune 500 company.

But I give up. Believe that taking Elliott is akin to Steve Jobs and Apple spending millions and billions to keep the iPhone cutting edge.

 

[revospeed]

It is a business. In off the field dealings. But we aren't talking about Cowboys revenue sources or advertising revenue or TV contracts or the CBA. We are talking about building a roster.

Building a professional sports roster and paying guys millions of dollars to play a game isn't exactly real world and in line with the thought processes of a Fortune 500 company.

But I give up. Believe that taking Elliott is akin to Steve Jobs and Apple spending millions and billions to keep the iPhone cutting edge.

The metaphor worked on it's face. In any metaphor if you look deep enough you can find ways in which they are not similar, but I used the metaphor to show that investing in the offensive line shouldn't preclude the Cowboys from drafting a great running back because "Hey, we've done enough. We shouldn't make this better."

But I get it, you don't want Elliott, I do. Nothing we can do about who the Cowboys draft besides root for whoever they pick. I'll root for Ramsey if he gets picked and I'm sure you'll root for Zeke. Go Cowboys.

 

[erod]

They are not taking Elliott my man, you will just have to get over that. At about 9pm that dream should end for you. Unless they trade back. Now that would be a dream very much welcome.

Anything is possible.