Chart showing average defensive rank for a QBs career, including Dak

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Would love to know where romo's teams ranked

I would guess behind E.Manning...

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

This is absolute proof how statistics can be used to strengthen haters hate and at the same time show their ignorance. If you can’t stop the run defensively, and the Cowboys can’t and havent, then your defense sucks.

Only Statistics that make Dak look good are approved...

 

[JustChip]

LOL, the Rams game in which we gave up 30 points, 273 yards rushing and didn't force a turnover?

Nope.

Like I said, that was just thinking off hand. That said, the offense was underwhelming in that game. But the defense couldn’t stop the Rams at the end to give the offense a chance to tie.

 

[plasticman]

I would like to see a ranking in the running attack as well, just out of curiosity.

 

[MikeT22]

This is absolute proof how statistics can be used to strengthen haters hate and at the same time show their ignorance. If you can’t stop the run defensively, and the Cowboys can’t and havent, then your defense sucks.

Defense hater

 

[MikeT22]

Sources
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2006.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2008.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2009.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2010.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2011.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2012.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2013.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2014.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2015.htm#all_team_stats

Romo also played behind an awful OL most of his career, until about 2013

 

[Nav22]

Like I said, that was just thinking off hand. That said, the offense was underwhelming in that game. But the defense couldn’t stop the Rams at the end to give the offense a chance to tie.

Yep.

Offense underwhelmed because we couldn't run the ball at all. Anemic Zeke had 20 carries for a measly 47 yards.

Dak was pretty good that night considering he got zero help from his run game or defense. 20-32, 266 Yds, 2 total TD, 0 turnovers. Our passing game was the only reason we even had a shot to win that game.

 

[McMicah]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2015.htm#all_team_stats

This males me wonder how deep Tony might’ve taken us in 2016 if he had been allowed to retain his starting role.

Again, I just don’t understand if Dak hasn’t done it to this point, what team could you possibly build around him with his salary that could do it?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Or a QB throwing pick 6's doesn't help Either...

What does that have to do with the defense not stopping the run?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lies lies and more lies. They did what they want to us to the tune of 19 points. Stop the bs like nobody but you watched that game

Anyone who brings up they only scored 19 is box score watching. They only scored 19 because they only needed to. Had Dsk scored 20 they would’ve had 28 if need be.

 

[Cmac]

Sources
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2006.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2008.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2009.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2010.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2011.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2012.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2013.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2014.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2015.htm#all_team_stats

The comparison does not sway that Romo didn't get it done, as well.........the narrative changes every time, but the results haven't. Are we going to count "Win & you get in" games against each NFC East team for 3 consecutive years? Stop!

 

[Vtwin]

So did Belichick just make Brady so good at winning Super Bowls that he went and did it in Tampa without Belichick? Brady winning in Tampa was definitely the Belichick effect right? It's easy to turn around a 7-9 team in his first season with them with no training camp due to covid and just win the Super Bowl because Belichick taught him everything he knows. Whatever.

Tampa should have been the dead giveaway for anyone wondering who deserves the most credit in that dynasty. I'm not saying 100% of the credit, but the majority. But yet there's still people that you that try to say 50/50, and some try to give more credit to Belichick than Brady. It's a joke.

The greatest thing Belichick ever did bar none was stick with Brady when he was winning games over Drew Bledsoe. And you try to do revisionist history "well they still would have won with Drew Bledsoe" ignoring that Brady had a game winning drive in that game like he did in all 6 Super Bowls with the Patriots. I can't believe anyone would try to downplay that. They were down or tied every time yet Brady did what Brady always does come up clutch in the end.

This is the problem with just looking at in such a simplistic manner. You don't bother to look a little deeper. If you did you would realize that the year prior to Brady arriving in Tampa, the Tampa offense was (going from memory because I'm to lazy to look it up again) either first or second in yards and in points scored. If the QB hadn't thrown 30 interceptions that team would have been a force. All they needed was a good QB. Brady did not turn that team around. They didn't need turning around. They just needed consistent QB play and Brady gave them that, plus.

I NEVER said Brady wasn't a great QB. In fact, I said he was instrumental in the Pats success. Much like Aikman was instrumental in the Cowboys success, but, does that diminish the fact that Johnson was ALSO instrumental? I don't think so. Do The Cowboys achieve the same success with Aikman but without Johnson? Maybe, but unlikely IMO. The point is, sometimes things come together and magic happens. Brady without BB may or may not have won multiple SB's. BB without Brady may have won multiple SB's. I don't think it can be denied that BB stamped that team out in his own image (Just like Johnson) and was fortunate enough to have the perfect QB to buy in and and epitomize the character of the team that BB created. Like I said, a match made in heaven.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. It rarely is one or the other. Both Brady and BB were great at what they did and fate brought them together to create the greatest dynasty in NFL history. They BOTH deserve our respect and a gold jacket.

It's funny how we place Johnson on a pedestal, and some even downplay Aikman, yet Johnson never won anything in the league without Aikman. Seems like quite the double standard to me.

Before anyone twists that last sentence into me saying Johnson was a bum who needed Aikman, Johnson absolutely deserves to be on that pedestal with Aikman. Just like BB with Brady.

 

[Vtwin]

Anyone who brings up they only scored 19 is box score watching. They only scored 19 because they only needed to. Had Dsk scored 20 they would’ve had 28 if need be.

LOL

On what planet does a team not try to score as much as they can, at least through the first three qts, while they build a big lead and then play keep away?

Sounds like a great strategy. "Ok boys. We're going to keep this a close game on purpose and just score if we need to."

lol

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

What does that have to do with the defense not stopping the run?

Because it forces a different defense. The offense plays on top....like what WE like to do.

 

[DallasEast]

This males me wonder how deep Tony might’ve taken us in 2016 if he had been allowed to retain his starting role.

No need to wonder. He didn't. And the what ifs were worrisome at the time. I mean:

What if Romo had returned in late October/early November, broke his back on the very first play and was paralyzed for life? Candace would have cried.

Or what if Romo had returned only to play poorly? Garrett would have been clueless, of what to do as a head coach, faced with a dilemma of a badly performing player, while having an available rookie backup quarterback, who performed extremely well his first two months in the NFL.

Or what if Romo had returned and disrupted mass euphoria surrounding team chemistry? The team would have fallen apart mentality after not playing or practicing with him as the starter for three months. It had never happened during the preceding ten years but it was certain to happen that season--beyond a shadow of doubt.

Or what if a rookie quarterback did help a team reach and even win a Super Bowl? Wait. Scratch that. The likelihood of a rookie quarterback leading a team to a Super Bowl berth or victory was remote. That was poorly worded. A rookie quarterback has never led a team to a Super Bowl appearance or win. That is more accurate but other members may read this and explain later why it is not relevant.

The important thing to remember is that a choice was made at that time. And while a few individuals had the forethought to voice possible ramifications for both the short- and long-term, it is equally important acknowledging a segment of the mass euphoria, at the time known as team chemistry proponents, later decided it was a choice they no longer agreed with.

In Jerry Jones we trust.

HOW 'BOUT DEM COWBOYS!

/rant

 

[DallasEast]

The comparison does not sway that Romo didn't get it done, as well.........the narrative changes every time, but the results haven't. Are we going to count "Win & you get in" games against each NFC East team for 3 consecutive years? Stop!

umm. @bigE79? You said, "Would love to know where romo's teams ranked." I supplied the data you inquired about afterwards but please do not ask for any additional info because I have been told to stop now.

With an exclamation point.

Apologies in advance.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL

On what planet does a team not try to score as much as they can, at least through the first three qts, while they build a big lead and then play keep away?

Sounds like a great strategy. "Ok boys. We're going to keep this a close game on purpose and just score if we need to."

lol

It’s not that they don’t try to score it’s that they don’t try to lose by being overly aggressive. The score wasn’t as close as it looked. This is why I say watch the games don’t box score watch.

 

[Cmac]

umm. @bigE79? You said, "Would love to know where romo's teams ranked." I supplied the data you inquired about afterwards but please do not ask for any additional info because I have been told to stop now.

With an exclamation point.

Apologies in advance.

All good, appreciate the data. Never personal and no apology necessary. For the readers.

 

[DFWJC]

Would love to know where romo's teams ranked

Going to guess the averaged around 18th or so
.....
just looked at previous posts.....talk about a lucky guess.

 

[DallasEast]

All good, appreciate the data. Never personal and no apology necessary. For the readers.

It was a joke. You are way too serious.