Chip Kelly versus Jason Garrett

[links18]

I just hate all the cliches announcers throw out when doing an Eagles game. "We might not get a word in edge wise when the Eagles have the ball, because they run plays so fast." Yeah, we get it--they run a quick snap offense. Har-dee-har-har.....

 

[erod]

If we're being fair, which you clearly have no desire to do, the only wins that matter in this comparison are SF and Indy and Indy was hardly an elite team that year. They were very good, and Peyton Manning-led teams are always dangerous, but Indy lost in the wild card that year and when we beat them, that was their third consecutive loss.

The Philly-Cincy-Pitt streak was nice, but only one of those teams finished the season with a winning record. None of them were elite by any stretch of the imagination. How is that anymore impressive than Philly winning 5 straight last year, including wins over 10-6 Arizona and a win in Lambeau?

In 17 regular season wins, Chip Kelly opponents are 87-152-2 (36 percent). In 9 losses, opponents are 79-46-1 (63 percent).

Checkmate.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Chip Kelly is a better OC than JG. Being a HC is more than that. But if I had to pick one of the 2 to run an offense, it'd be kelly.

He knows how to utilize talent properly.

 

[blindzebra]

Chip Kelly is a better OC than JG. Being a HC is more than that. But if I had to pick one of the 2 to run an offense, it'd be kelly.

He knows how to utilize talent properly.

LOL his two best players are McCoy and Sproles and neither gets the ball enough.

 

[Idgit]

Lol talk about an inflated ego

A poster on a message board telling us "categorically " how things work inside the organization

Please enlighten us about your connections in the organization

If not, I would refrain from making inaccurate statements

Watch the personal insults.

Tell "us"? You have a mouse in your pocket? I don't see other posters getting into your leaky boat with you. I wonder why that is?

And I don't need to enlighten you re: connections in the organization because it isn't necessary. There's plenty of direct evidence from players and staff that cites Garrett's involvement with his offense. All you have to have done is be paying attention at any point to anything anyone in the organization says about Jason's role. Which you clearly weren't.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

In 17 regular season wins, Chip Kelly opponents are 87-152-2 (36 percent). In 9 losses, opponents are 79-46-1 (63 percent).

Checkmate.

Jason Garrett's first 26 games:

In 14 wins, his opponents were 99-125 (44 percent).

In 12 losses, his opponents were 110-82 (57 percent)

And these numbers are hugely skewed because of the 2010 season finale, a 14-13 win over an Eagles team that finished 10-6 and had already clinched the division and didn't play any starters (Vick-McCoy-Maclin-Jackson, etc.). So that's a cheap 10 wins that go into Garrett's tally.

If we take that out, we're looking at nearly identical numbers, and there's no real discernible difference even with it factored in.

Here's another statistical comparison:

Chip Kelly in 26 games: one division title, one playoff appearance, one winning season.

Jason Garrett in 66 games: none of the above.

Checkmate?

 

[rcaldw]

This board is just nuts sometimes. You have a guy who took over a team when it was 1-7 if memory serves right. He is in his 4th season, we are 7-3, the team is largely rebuilt, and he never had a losing season while completely turning the roster over. We are younger, better, and getting results, and you still have people around here acting like he's an idiot. Silly.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think the main reason Kelly runs the up tempo, hurry up offense is too keep teams from making substitutions. Defense tend to use a lot of groupings be it nickel packages, dime packages and just the ability to rotate guys in and out. Kelly offense does not allow you to make those subs.

Exactly...........its nothing more than a variation of the no-huddle offenses back in the day. In Buffalo you had the K-gun offense, which was Jim Kelley just calling plays from the line and not huddling up. Detroit tried it for a while with the Silver stretch offense, and even the Run n Shoot had elements of a fast tempo no-huddle offense. The entire premise is built on the fact that the defense cannot substitute and has to keep the same unit on the field for the entire drive. This is problematic because most teams put in nickel and dime packages on passing downs and more linemen and linebackers on early run downs.

If defenses cannot substitute then you will have mismatches because you will either have to play the entire drive in nickel or dime, which is a huge disadvantage to stopping the run, or you will have to play the entire drive in base, which is a huge disadvantage against multiple WR sets. There is really nothing out of the ordinary or incredibly unique about what Chip Kelly and the Eagles are doing, it has been done many times before by many different teams.

 

[waving monkey]

Bill Bellicheat and staff consulted with Chip when he was at Oregon while JG consults with Billy Jean King.

That's all I need to know to decide who has the better offensive mind.

funny but not accurant

 

[waving monkey]

This board is just nuts sometimes. You have a guy who took over a team when it was 1-7 if memory serves right. He is in his 4th season, we are 7-3, the team is largely rebuilt, and he never had a losing season while completely turning the roster over. We are younger, better, and getting results, and you still have people around here acting like he's an idiot. Silly.

you wrote this and I endorse

 

[waving monkey]

are you saying thats apples to apples

Funny you say that since JG couldn't do the same in that crappy division 3 years in a row.

?

 

[scooper]

Hasn't Chip Kelly completely rebuilt the Eagles roster as well? And he's winning with a far inferior QB. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[Zman5]

funny but not accurant

Not accurant? What is it then? Lexus?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

The Eagles are the Cowboys main obstacle in the division.

They beat Dallas last year in that final game to make us go bye bye,

I really don't care who their coach is..that is the team to beat.

 

[rcaldw]

Hasn't Chip Kelly completely rebuilt the Eagles roster as well? And he's winning with a far inferior QB. Give credit where credit is due.

Lol. I'll say this and then I'll leave you boys to do your usual. When we have our fans trying to give Chip Kelly of the Philadelphia Beagles credit so as to DISCREDIT our own head coach, then we have a kind of Cowboys "fan" I don't recognize. You know we have the same record, his team just had a 50 piece put on them, and we're going to kick their rear end. So go love you all the Chip Kelly you want.

 

[MissouriCowboy]

I wish our passing game had a bit of the creativity that Chip Kelly brings.

We don't need much but deception but sometimes we just lack common sense when trying to beat a defense.


Im sick of watching Romo get drilled and turn the ball over when teams blitz us and we're running our receivers 15 yards downfield into the teeth of the defense.

I think Dallas should use more slants when the opposing teams biltz. Williams and Dez would beast on it.

 

[Blackspider214]

Chip won a crappy division that required he beat nobody of significance, which he didn't.

Romo's injury won the division for Philly. Kyle Orton almost beat them for gawd's sake.

You do realize that in Garrett's first full season of being the head coach, the division was just as crappy, right? I fail to see why you are dogging Kelly for that but not in turn criticizing Garrett for all his failures in his first year. And there were many. He single handedly cost us the Detroit and Arizona games that year. You can even throw in the New England game on how conservative we got at the end and just handed the ball back to Brady.

Actually, the NFC East has been very bad every single year Garrett has been coaching, yet we continue to be mediocre and can't even luck into a division title even once.

It's silly to take shots at Kelly, who could very well win the East 2 years in a row and give carrott top a pass, who has now been here 4 years.

All about the process, though, right? We have seen every single East team win the East since he's become head coach while we sit back and watch him fumble games every season.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hasn't Chip Kelly completely rebuilt the Eagles roster as well? And he's winning with a far inferior QB. Give credit where credit is due.

True but then looking at Dallas I would say most of the guys that were here when Garrett took over as HC are no longer here either.

 

[cowboys1981]

In one loss Philly loss by 30.

We have 3 losses by a combined 25 pts.

 

[waving monkey]

Lol. I'll say this and then I'll leave you boys to do your usual. When we have our fans trying to give Chip Kelly of the Philadelphia Beagles credit so as to DISCREDIT our own head coach, then we have a kind of Cowboys "fan" I don't recognize. You know we have the same record, his team just had a 50 piece put on them, and we're going to kick their rear end. So go love you all the Chip Kelly you want.

I agree it's an animal I dont get the inaccurate claims bla bla ,weird