Chip Kelly versus Jason Garrett

[Sportsbabe]

RG3 is getting trashed in DC... They aren't sparing him at all and are chanting Colt McCoy's name..

What about when Gruden called him out yesterday? I can't wait for the 1pm DC Sports Fix talk show. They question his QBing all the time anyway. Oh, just wait until they get a hold of him 2-day.

 

[foofighters]

I've sat through the slobberfests over Chip Kelly enough times now. I've had it shoved down my throat that this guy will change the NFL forever with his superkalafrejalisticexpialadocious offense. It's too complicated for mortal humans, I'm told. It's beyond our cerebral capabilities to understand.

So when's it going to beat anybody?

I keep waiting. I watched it yesterday crash and burn again. I watched a gawd awful Cowboys defense hold it to 3 points last year in Philly. I saw Denver annihilate it a year ago, and I watched it lose to New Orleans in the playoffs. I watched it fail to score an offensive touchdown against San Fran. I saw it barely beat Kyle Stinking Orton for the division in the finale last year.

Since he arrived in Philly, Chip Kelly is 17-10. Jason Garrett is 15-11 over that same stretch. They split their two meetings, and if Romo wasn't hurt in that finale, I have zero doubt Garrett would be 2-0 against Kelly. And that's with the worst defense in Cowboys history a year ago.

Kelly's signature win to date, I suppose, was a home win against Arizona last year. The Cardinals did not make the playoffs by the way. And the referees had a HUGE hand in that win in Indianapolis this season, and we saw the Colts show their backsides last night.

I'm not saying Chip Kelly is a bad coach. I'm just saying he's not this transcendent football god we were told ad nauseum he would be. These teams aren't Washington State.

Philly's running game is sputtering, as is its red zone efficiency. The Eagles have to wearing down from all the snaps. Yesterday, you saw the Eagle defense wilt because its offense spends so little time on the field whether it scores or not.

Give me the approach of Jason Garrett any day of the week.

Build a team for December with a strong offensive line and running game that can travel anywhere and play in any conditions. I'll take my chances with that. If the weather is bad in Philly in a few weeks, it's the Cowboys that are best built for it, not the home team.

So I beg the pundits and prognosticators, enough with the Chip Kelly love cult. I'm unimpressed and bored with it.

Good stuff Erod. I didn't read all the replies so if someone else said this, I apologize...but hey! We think alike. There was another red hot coach awhile back. At the time, he was only an OC but everyone loved him. His super potent offense of Tony Romo and TO were the best thing ever. Then December came and this offense sputtered. I see Chip the same way. It took JG awhile to figure out that you win in December with a strong offensive line and good running game. I will take this system over anything out there. It's proven and it will win. The Cowboys just need to get out of their way. That's it.

 

[erod]

Jason Garrett's first 26 games:

In 14 wins, his opponents were 99-125 (44 percent).

In 12 losses, his opponents were 110-82 (57 percent)

And these numbers are hugely skewed because of the 2010 season finale, a 14-13 win over an Eagles team that finished 10-6 and had already clinched the division and didn't play any starters (Vick-McCoy-Maclin-Jackson, etc.). So that's a cheap 10 wins that go into Garrett's tally.

If we take that out, we're looking at nearly identical numbers, and there's no real discernible difference even with it factored in.

Here's another statistical comparison:

Chip Kelly in 26 games: one division title, one playoff appearance, one winning season.

Jason Garrett in 66 games: none of the above.

Checkmate?

Yep, checkmate. Your Boy Wonder is just another NFL coach learning the ropes, not the second coming as he's portrayed. He's Jason Garrett, which is the whole point.

He inherited a vastly more talented roster than the bag of old men Garrett did. The fruits of Garrett's labor are just now ready to start paying off. Next year, Dallas will be really good. This is just the test run.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Yep, checkmate. Your Boy Wonder is just another NFL coach learning the ropes, not the second coming as he's portrayed. He's Jason Garrett, which is the whole point.

He inherited a vastly more talented roster than the bag of old men Garrett did. The fruits of Garrett's labor are just now ready to start paying off. Next year, Dallas will be really good. This is just the test run.

He's not Jason Garrett. Kelly has made the playoffs, Garrett hasn't.

There's really no basis for saying the team Garrett inherited was any worse than the team Kelly inherited. Both teams were awful.

People were excited about his transition to the NFL (me included - I lobbied on this board for us to hire him while he was at Oregon) and he backed it up by winning the division in his first season, and now he's 7-3 in his second season. And this is not with the team he inherited, because 40 players from that team are gone.

But who exactly is portraying him as this "boy wonder" that you claim? Who is claiming he's revolutionizing the NFL? You're creating this fictional argument in your head and then arguing against it as if it's fact.

 

[erod]

If Romo plays week 17, the Cowboys win that game with ease and Kelly doesn't win anything. Not that Wyoming this division last year says anything.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This great team that JG built will barely win if Romo goes down for the season. And BTW, the core you mentioned were all drafted by Parcells and Wade.

Would you hate on the Colts, Patriots, Packers, or Broncos coaching if their starting franchise QB's went down and they barely won?

That statement is stupid because any team that is an actual contender that loses it's starting QB is likely going to have a lot of trouble.

The Cards are getting by right now cause of outstanding D and special teams play. They better hope that never slips because Drew Stanton has proven to be incredibly inconsistent.

Any of those other teams mentioned would become failures without their starters as well.

And, btw, that goes for Chip Kelly as well who lost his starter and that helped to watch his genius offense get humbled on Sunday.

 

[visionary]

@Idgit

I said:

Garrett is such a great offensive mind that the GM had to remove his influence from offensive planning and playcalling for the team to be successful

Now that is what I call great

You said:

.....But I can tell you categorically that Jason Garrett's influence was NOT removed from game planning or playcalling. That's just silly.

Jerry says:


Cowboys | JerryJones elaborates on offense | Fantasy ...

fantasyfootballfansite.com/cowboys-jerry-jones-elaborates-on-offense


Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said offensive coordinator Scott Linehan will be the brains behind the offense this year, assistant Bill Callahan will be in a running-game role and head coach Jason Garrett will be out of the offensive mix completely.


JerryJones talks JasonGarrett, ambiguity and the games ...

www.sbnation.com/.../5443946/jerry-jones-cowboys-crying-jason-garrett

Feb 24, 2014 · JerryJones talks JasonGarrett, ... coordinator and ScottLinehan joining the staff as passing ... on defense than he will on offense," Jones ...


"He will have a lot more time spent on defense than he will on offense," Jones said. "We want his input on defense."

NFL Rumors: Jason Garrett to have no say in Dallas Cowboys ...

fansided.com/.../nfl-rumors-jason-garrett-say-dallas-cowboys-offense


According to owner Jerry Jones (via Clarence Hill), head coach Jason Garrett will have no say in the Dallas Cowboys offense for the 2014 season.

Jerry jones said Garett will have no say on offense in 2014. Linehan will final say offense. Romo will also have more power, per jones


JerryJones: 'JasonGarrett not involved in offense'

www.sportsmole.co.uk › American Football › Dallas Cowboys › News

Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager JerryJones reveals that head coach JasonGarrett will not be involved in the offensive play-calling duties next season.


"There's a difference when you're sitting in the room and as the head coach you say, 'Wait a minute, y'all put some salt and pepper in there,' then after it's already been cooked and you're tasting it outside the room and you say, 'It might need a little salt and pepper,'" Jones is quoted as saying by ESPN.

Some of these are direct quotes from jerry

I will wait for CATEGORICAL proof from you to refute this

 

[DOUBLE WING]

If Romo plays week 17, the Cowboys win that game with ease and Kelly doesn't win anything. Not that Wyoming this division last year says anything.

Romo lost the previous two years in his season finales with a playoff spot on the line, so there's certainly no guarantee that he would have "won that game with ease" if he played.

We weren't the only team in that game with a backup QB, by the way. Foles was a backup as well. He was drafted by a different regime, and only stepped in as a starter last season due to an injury, so let's not pretend like Chip Kelly waltzed into that game with his hand-picked franchise signal caller.

Kyle Orton, by the way, isn't some scrub off the street and he's currently a starter in the NFL.

Garrett lost, Kelly won. You can try to excuse that fact however you want, but it's not going to change the outcome.

 

[BigStar]

Yep, checkmate. Your Boy Wonder is just another NFL coach learning the ropes, not the second coming as he's portrayed. He's Jason Garrett, which is the whole point.

He inherited a vastly more talented roster than the bag of old men Garrett did. The fruits of Garrett's labor are just now ready to start paying off. Next year, Dallas will be really good. This is just the test run.

He inherited a top 10 QB?

 

[BigStar]

BS.

Jerry Jones said Garrett did not want to call plays when he became head coach but he, JERRY, said no. Garrett was not only willing to give it up, he never wanted to do it after becoming HC.

How do you explain the Callahan debacle and needing to hire a 2nd OC in the same time span to accommodate this weakness? JJ was pretty clear he loves JG but humbly acknowledged he (JG) is in over his head in terms of scheme and play-calling. Look to @visionary and @khiladi postings. Pretty straight forward, a HC can't have some fantasized "vision" when none of the facts line up (Run heavy/PA/Creative Offense?). Especially when the outside help is showing you up

 

[blindzebra]

How do you explain the Callahan debacle and needing to hire a 2nd OC in the same time span to accommodate this weakness? JJ was pretty clear he loves JG but humbly acknowledged he (JG) is in over his head in terms of scheme and play-calling. Look to @visionary and @khiladi postings. Pretty straight forward, a HC can't have some fantasized "vision" when none of the facts line up (Run heavy/PA/Creative Offense?). Especially when the outside help is showing you up

The fact you say look to the two biggest jokes at CZ speaks volumes.

Garrett wanted Linehan. Callahan was hired to be the OL coach, Jerry not listening to Garrett about finding an OC that first year led to the changes last year and it is not a coincidence that the running game increased after Garrett took play calling back last season.

The offense Linehan is running is the same offense we have had since Garrett got here. Linehan got the job under the mandate that we run more. The improvement of the OL last year with the addition of Martin allowed Garrett to run the offense he has wanted to run since he got here.

 

[wileedog]

The improvement of the OL last year with the addition of Martin allowed Garrett to run the offense he has wanted to run since he got here.

Oh give me a break. At no time in Jason Garret's tenure here as OC or HC has he ever wanted to run an offense like this. The line wasn't that bad last year and we were 31st in rushing attempts. His refusal to run directly cost us games like Detroit last year. And that's despite being 8th in the league in YPC. It wasn't that we couldn't, it was that we wouldn't.

This revisionist history that Garret has been waiting 7 years to get Zach Martin so he could run the ball is baloney and goes against every piece of history and evidence of his tenure here.

 

[atlantacowboy]

This board is just nuts sometimes. You have a guy who took over a team when it was 1-7 if memory serves right. He is in his 4th season, we are 7-3, the team is largely rebuilt, and he never had a losing season while completely turning the roster over. We are younger, better, and getting results, and you still have people around here acting like he's an idiot. Silly.

Yeah, b/c Garret just arrived on the scene in 2010.

 

[Primetime42]

Oh give me a break. At no time in Jason Garret's tenure here as OC or HC has he ever wanted to run an offense like this. The line wasn't that bad last year and we were 31st in rushing attempts. His refusal to run directly cost us games like Detroit last year. And that's despite being 8th in the league in YPC. It wasn't that we couldn't, it was that we wouldn't.

This revisionist history that Garret has been waiting 7 years to get Zach Martin so he could run the ball is baloney and goes against every piece of history and evidence of his tenure here.

...

It's the same offense...

 

[visionary]

The fact you say look to the two biggest jokes at CZ speaks volumes.

Garrett wanted Linehan. Callahan was hired to be the OL coach, Jerry not listening to Garrett about finding an OC that first year led to the changes last year and it is not a coincidence that the running game increased after Garrett took play calling back last season.

The offense Linehan is running is the same offense we have had since Garrett got here. Linehan got the job under the mandate that we run more. The improvement of the OL last year with the addition of Martin allowed Garrett to run the offense he has wanted to run since he got here.

The reality is that your ilk have no answer.

 

[blindzebra]

Oh give me a break. At no time in Jason Garret's tenure here as OC or HC has he ever wanted to run an offense like this. The line wasn't that bad last year and we were 31st in rushing attempts. His refusal to run directly cost us games like Detroit last year. And that's despite being 8th in the league in YPC. It wasn't that we couldn't, it was that we wouldn't.

This revisionist history that Garret has been waiting 7 years to get Zach Martin so he could run the ball is baloney and goes against every piece of history and evidence of his tenure here.

LOL look at rushing attempts his first two years as OC, and look at what we did post bye last year. Callahan and Romo abandoned the run early on last year which is why Garrett took play calling back.

Those are facts.

Also a fact is that Linehan was told when he interviewed for the job he had to run the ball by...wait for it...Jason Garrett.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, b/c Garret just arrived on the scene in 2010.

No but was not the HC either until midway in 2010. The role of HC and the input if much different than OC.

 

[blindzebra]

The reality is that your ilk have no answer.

No, the reality is your ilk is too dense to comprehend the facts.

 

[atlantacowboy]

No but was not the HC either until midway in 2010. The role of HC and the input if much different than OC.

I've heard that argument before but it doesn't apply to how Jerry Jones ran the post-parcels cowboys. He hired Garret and had him place even before Wade came aboard. The offense and the defense were run like fiefdoms in those days. Wade was HC in title and ran the defense. Garret was HC in waiting and ran the offense. Wade had nothing to do with the offense and Garret had nothing to do with defense. In all fairness, it was Garret's offense that got Wade fired and he should have been fired along with Wade after that 1-7 start.

 

[Doomsday101]

I've heard that argument before but it doesn't apply to how Jerry Jones ran the post-parcels cowboys. He hired Garret and had him place even before Wade cam aboard. The offense and the defense were run like fiefdoms in those days. Wade was HC in title and ran the defense. Garret was HC in waiting and ran the offense. Wade had nothing to do with the offense and Garret had nothing to do with defense. In all fairness, it was Garret offense than got Wade fired and he should have been fired along with Wade after that 1-7 start.

BS even Jerry had commented after a loss to Washington that Wade as HC had the ability to change calls or strategy as the HC. Full responsibility fell to Garrett once he became HC