Chris Johnson new youtube

[dallasfaniac]

I think too many are salivating over the 4.24 time, which really isn't that much faster than everyone else. A tackle can run the 40 around 5.2 seconds. That's only one step behind after 40 full yards of running.

So what I think Theogt is saying is given this, there are plenty of RBs that can be picked up later that have similar speed and use the 2nd on a position that has such a larger dropoff outside of the 2nd.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

He is an interesting prospect and is fun to watch on the highlights.

I am concerned about his lack of consistently solid days. His overall rushing season was pretty mediocre. A college average of 6.00 yard per carry as a senior(much lower in previous years) against those fairly pedestrian defenses and that type of speed has me questioning his vision. Lack of vision can be a deal-breaker at RB.

I'd rather have some of the guys who were consistently a bit more solid. He busted 300 yards one game, went over 200 another and then had only 3 more 100 yards days and 8 games under 100 yards.

Jamaal Charles was much better against better competition though obviously with a better OL as well. Ray Rice was much, much better. Mike Hart was much better. Steve Slaton had a down year but was much better overall for his career.

I think I'd draft them all before CJ.

Slanton or Charles i would be content with I wouldn't draft either over CJ. Mike Hart i wouldn't touch with a 50 foot pole Ray Rice would be a 49 foot pole but still you get my point lol. I honestly think ray rice has way to many carries at the collegiate level 900+ carries is ridiculous he wasn't hurt in college its just amount of time until his body breaks down. They used and abused him at RU because he was the only thing they had. Mike harts taken a lot of punishment as well. If you look at him CJ rushing wise then thats just looking at him in a vaccum. He was average at running the ball but of all the guys you named who had more all-purpose yards?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He cannot cut like Ray Rice but he was able to make some cuts and not lose any speed. He appears to have good balance and good burst to the hole. Is he going to be able to shift halfway across the line in a single move like Rice? No but to say he doesnt have any tools to be successful in the pros is wrong IMO.

I have no idea how good his vision is but to say he cannot cut at all is just wrong.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think too many are salivating over the 4.24 time, which really isn't that much faster than everyone else. A tackle can run the 40 around 5.2 seconds. That's only one step behind after 40 full yards of running.

are you serious ? the brokey down the numbers of the 40 yard dash in another thread and your way off basis on this. I think i can do the math in my head but i may be wrong but heres an attempt

There will be a difference off about 8-10 yards based on the scenario you gave if he was chasing him for 40 yards.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think too many are salivating over the 4.24 time, which really isn't that much faster than everyone else. A tackle can run the 40 around 5.2 seconds. That's only one step behind after 40 full yards of running.

So what I think Theogt is saying is given this, there are plenty of RBs that can be picked up later that have similar speed and use the 2nd on a position that has such a larger dropoff outside of the 2nd.

No its not every .1 translates to about .8 yards. The difference between 4.2 and 5.2 is about 8 yards which might was well be a mile.

 

[Little Jr]

I think too many are salivating over the 4.24 time, which really isn't that much faster than everyone else. A tackle can run the 40 around 5.2 seconds. That's only one step behind after 40 full yards of running.

What? Are you serious? If that was the case they wouldnt even bother running the 40.

 

[J-DOG]

Trying to argue with someone who doesn't think Chris Johnson can cut after watching that video...you might as well be arguing against the wall.
Chris Johnson is my favorite player in this draft and if we pass him up we will regret it.
When everyone realizes that Marion Barber will be our rb next year(no matter how many rumors are started) you have to ask yourself what kind of offensive player can come in here and make an impact.
There's not that many holes on this team at the moment and Chris Johnson returning kickoffs,punts and backing up Barber as a change of pace would be perfect for our offense.
Funny...but after watching that video for someone to criticize this kid for his running ability is moronic. Criticize him for his size or whatever but this kid is plenty big and fast enough to make it in this league. If you don't like him then you must be wanting a different rb and that clouds your vision.
Let's hope our scouts and Jerry are more open-minded.
Off my soapbox and off this topic.

 

[CF74]

The new Reggie Bush, this guy would be a good return man and best suited for specialty plays, 5 yd passes, etc..

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Trying to argue with someone who doesn't think Chris Johnson can cut after watching that video...you might as well be arguing against the wall.
Chris Johnson is my favorite player in this draft and if we pass him up we will regret it.
When everyone realizes that Marion Barber will be our rb next year(no matter how many rumors are started) you have to ask yourself what kind of offensive player can come in here and make an impact.
There's not that many holes on this team at the moment and Chris Johnson returning kickoffs,punts and backing up Barber as a change of pace would be perfect for our offense.
Funny...but after watching that video for someone to criticize this kid for his running ability is moronic. Criticize him for his size or whatever but this kid is plenty big and fast enough to make it in this league. If you don't like him then you must be wanting a different rb and that clouds your vision.
Let's hope our scouts and Jerry are more open-minded.
Off my soapbox and off this topic.

Also i don't think his size is a problem 5'11 197 if they say Dmac is to tall at 6'2 then 5'11 has to be the ideal size unless you want 6'0 6'1 size running back and if your go to discriminate because of a inch than thats a shame. Ray Rice is 5'8 199 but he has lower center of gravity so basically what im getting from people is that Ray Rice is the best RB to come from college into the pro's ever theres nothing wrong with him he does nothing wrong and if you try to knock him for being to small it just means he has a low center of gravity.

 

[masomenos]

Johnson, Grant, or even Peterson would be great comparisons if he were anywhere near their size and strength.

I've jumped into this conversation late, but Peterson is exactly who I was thinking of. I don't think Johnson has proven anywhere near what Peterson had coming out of college, but the running style seemed incredibly similar to me. As far as size and strength, yes Peterson does out class him at least in terms of raw leg strength. When you look at the explosion they can generate with their legs though it's a different story, both are above the 45 point mark which is something most of the successful RBs in the league share in common. Once you start approaching the 50 mark is when you get the guys who just seem impossible to tackle. Peterson scored a 49. For Comparisons Marion Barber scored a 50 and Ladanian Tomlinson scored a 51. Off of his combine stats Chris Johnson scores a 46. Now, even a point makes a pretty big difference but he's still above that 45 point mark.

Now this isn't to say that all RBs over that mark are successful, but like I said, it is something that successful RBs have in common. Also, to consider is the fact that Chris Johnson was reported as doing a 43 inch vert on campus which would put his #s at 54. But we can't really take that as being official by any means.

The biggest question I had about him was his ability to run inside and that video actually began silencing some of my fears. I still question it some, to be sure, but I just haven't seen enough on Johnson to be swayed either way for sure. All that said, I do think Johnson would be a pretty good fit here in Dallas simply because of his versatility. Is he a true first round pick? No, probably not, there are still too many questions about him. Will he go pretty high in the second round? I really think so, at least in the top half. I'd also still be an advocate of bringing another RB on board, someone like Mewelde Moore in FA or a RB/FB tweener like Peyton Hillis in the 5th round. It would just flesh out the depth and allow us to maintain a similar offense if anything were to happen to Barber.

 

[masomenos]

What? Are you serious? If that was the case they wouldnt even bother running the 40.

Yeah the difference is closer to being around 10 yards, not one step.

 

[dallasfaniac]

What? Are you serious? If that was the case they wouldnt even bother running the 40.

They don't run the 40 just to see how fast you can run in 40 yards. They do it to see how fast you take off, how soon you reach top speed and how stupid you look running. If someone is long-strided they may cover ground faster but can't cut on a dime like someone taking choppy steps.

Obviously 1 second time difference between a RB and an OT is more than a "step" but all things considered, when a RB probably has higher top-end speed, it means an OT has similar or better explosive starting speed. IF the RB makes it past the defensive line, they aren't catching him unless he is slowed down, but those first 10 yards are even ground, with them being able to run RBs down from behind easily.

Edit: btw, when I said one step, I meant it like when you tell someone you'll be one step behind. As in right on their heals.

You could drop a pencil a foot off the ground when a RB crosses the 40 and have it hit the ground at the same time as the OT crossing. That doesn't leave much room when you don't have sudden cutting ability allowing you to maintain top-end speed.

 

[masomenos]

Edit: btw, when I said one step, I meant it like when you tell someone you'll be one step behind. As in right on their heals.

You could drop a pencil a foot off the ground when a RB crosses the 40 and have it hit the ground at the same time as the OT crossing.

Hence the famous football expression "He escaped by the drop of a pencil."

Really though is this pencil being held horizontally or vertically? Are we taking into account any added wind burst from the trail of the first runner? Will the percentage of humidity in the RCA Dome affect the fall speed of the pencil as compared to a drop done at sea level?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

They don't run the 40 just to see how fast you can run in 40 yards. They do it to see how fast you take off, how soon you reach top speed and how stupid you look running. If someone is long-strided they may cover ground faster but can't cut on a dime like someone taking choppy steps.

Obviously 1 second time difference between a RB and an OT is more than a "step" but all things considered, when a RB probably has higher top-end speed, it means an OT has similar or better explosive starting speed. IF the RB makes it past the defensive line, they aren't catching him unless he is slowed down, but those first 10 yards are even ground, with them being able to run RBs down from behind easily.

Edit: btw, when I said one step, I meant it like when you tell someone you'll be one step behind. As in right on their heals.

You could drop a pencil a foot off the ground when a RB crosses the 40 and have it hit the ground at the same time as the OT crossing. That doesn't leave much room when you don't have sudden cutting ability allowing you to maintain top-end speed.

errr what ?

 

[jterrell]

Slanton or Charles i would be content with I wouldn't draft either over CJ. Mike Hart i wouldn't touch with a 50 foot pole Ray Rice would be a 49 foot pole but still you get my point lol. I honestly think ray rice has way to many carries at the collegiate level 900+ carries is ridiculous he wasn't hurt in college its just amount of time until his body breaks down. They used and abused him at RU because he was the only thing they had. Mike harts taken a lot of punishment as well. If you look at him CJ rushing wise then thats just looking at him in a vaccum. He was average at running the ball but of all the guys you named who had more all-purpose yards?

I don't have access to that stat so I am not sure honestly.
He had the 17th best rushing season so hardly was a bum, I just would have liked to see a little closer to 100 each game as opposed to those 50 yard games mixed with breakout games.

As a nickel back, 3rd down type it seems he would be an excellent fit.
For that role Charles, Slaton and CJ are probably the best non elite candidates.

It is hard to argue with his potential but RB is a nasty position to grade because it is so based on skill.

I also agree all those college carries for Rice is a red flag but nowadays guys are carrying 15 times per game not 30.

 

[dallasfaniac]

errr what ?

Tell me what you don't understand and I will explain it for you.

 

[streetcredit]

.....he wasn't in the top 10 in the 3 cone drill, and he was even worse in the linebacker drills

 

[BigWillie]

The biggest problem I have coming out of that entire highlight reel is the fact he relies entirely too much on his speed.

For instance -- how many times do you see him turn into an east/west runner in that film? Instead of getting upfield, he relies on his speed to get him to the outside to turn the corner. It's fine in CFB, but it is something that will give him a pounding in the NFL because the closing speed is on another level.

The other problem I have is how slow he is once he does make a cut. It has more to do with his foot speed that just seems akward when he does try to plant his foot in the ground to make a tackle freeze.

The last problem I have is that the clip limits showing his ability to run in between the tackles. It's fine, because it is a highlight reel, but I want to see him earn those tough yards. It doesn't have to be a 75 yard burst for a TD, but those 6-7 yard gains where he keeps his legs churning to get an extra 2-3 yards on a carry. That has been his biggest knock, but yet no one gets to see that here.

Really, the video did nothing to change my impression of Chris. I'd love to have him as more a WR threat than a RB.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

THAT is one fast dude.....wow

 

[DaBoys4Life]

.....he wasn't in the top 10 in the 3 cone drill, and he was even worse in the linebacker drills

considerin he didnt run in those drills i fail 2 c wat u r getn a