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[marchetta]

Give me 7-10 carries a game, 4 to 5 catches with screens and coming out the backfield. Take over all PR and KR duties, what else do we need? In other words instead of drafting a RB and a KR/PR. Why not make him the same guy?
And I have watch the video over and over and I kind of see what theogt talking about but I think its nitpicking. No disrespect. Rather he a 1 cut or 2 cut the kid is a baller. He has most of the main ingredients the make RBs successful on the next level, vision, balance and hands and when you add a his kind of speed to those facets you maybe on to something special.

Great points that I can't argue with. However, the lack of lateral agility isn't nitpicky when you consider it's a major attribute that most RBs need to impact. However, CJ does have all the other attributes that a RB needs to impact, and his speed is unreal, and he does have some lateral agility, so I think he'll be impact. However, if MBIII goes down our season goes down with him, because CJ wouldn't be effective as a full time RB. As long as MBIII is starting we'll be ok. Man, I can't believe this thread is 6 pages long! I'm outta here.

BTW, here Ray Rice displaying true lateral agility. Just watch the 10 sec mark and you'll understand exactly what I've been talking about. He just "slides" down the LOS laterally while still maintaining momentum and he doesn't take steps to redirect himself and he does it effortlessly. WOW! RR does this all the time, it's uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_1Z4uKtios

 

[Goldenrichards83]

It may or may not be nitpicking, but I do see a pretty big difference between him and Ray Rice in this regard. And as far as drafting a limited role player, I'm absolutely against it. Why would you draft someone that high knowing that their ceiling is limited to a situational player? Why not go for a guy that could step in and play 25 carries a game if/when Barber gets hurt. And even if he does only get 7 or 8 carries per game for the length of his contract, I think his limitations could mean that we're not getting the most out of those carries that we could with another player. I just don't see the reasoning in saying "He has some limitations, but that's okay because we won't need him to be that good." No, I say just draft a better player.

Also, I disagree with the balance. I don't see him having very good balance. He looks awkward when he cuts and spins. In the "highlights" he doesn't actually fall, but those are just highlights. Given that he looks so awkward, I'd imagine that "lowlights" would be pretty telling.

All due respect, Limited? We will be getting a guy who plays 4 positions. We would be covered if Crayton gets hurt, he can handle some of the slot and PR, Austin gets hurt, he handles the KR. I only said 7-10 carries if Barber if fully healthy but why would we draft a guy who can only be a backup RB, nothing else. no KR, no PR, no help in the slot. Just a backup to spell Barber with nothing else to do but play special team. Why not get a guy who will give you value on your return, he wont just sit and spell Barber, he's the #1 guy on special teams, he allows Crayton to go wide while he works the slot. Limited doesn't describe Chris Johnson.

 

[Little Jr]

However, if MBIII goes down our season goes down with him, because CJ wouldn't be effective as a full time RB.
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But isnt that with most teams in the NFL. Vikings, Jags, maybe the Giants are the only team I can really think of that could lose there starter and still have a quality RB that can keep them in the playoff hunt.

 

[theogt]

All due respect, Limited? We will be getting a guy who plays 4 positions. We would be covered if Crayton gets hurt, he can handle some of the slot and PR, Austin gets hurt, he handles the KR. I only said 7-10 carries if Barber if fully healthy but why would we draft a guy who can only be a backup RB, nothing else. no KR, no PR, no help in the slot. Just a backup to spell Barber with nothing else to do but play special team. Why not get a guy who will give you value on your return, he wont just sit and spell Barber, he's the #1 guy on special teams, he allows Crayton to go wide while he works the slot. Limited doesn't describe Chris Johnson.

Sorry, I mean limited in the respect that he probably can't be a full-time NFL running back. I just see that as more valuable than a guy that won't play WR much, if at all, likely won't be our primary KR, and would require us to look for another RB if something happened to Barber.

But isnt that with most teams in the NFL. Vikings, Jags, maybe the Giants are the only team I can really think of that could lose there starter and still have a quality RB that can keep them in the playoff hunt.

But it shouldn't be the case if you're drafting a RB this high.

 

[ayjackson]

CJ's returning skills alone put him at 4th round value. I mean, we took Skyler Green in the fourth. A lot of teams look for returners in the 4th. The fact that he's a good spread offense back - can split wide - and can carry the ball secondary to MBIII moves his value up from there. I wouldn't be comfortable taking him in the first, but would be fine selecting him in the second. And I believe there's a good chance he's still there when we pick in the second round.

 

[marchetta]

But isnt that with most teams in the NFL. Vikings, Jags, maybe the Giants are the only team I can really think of that could lose there starter and still have a quality RB that can keep them in the playoff hunt.

Not if we take Ray Rice. I can't believe I'm still here. I need a life.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Sorry, I mean limited in the respect that he probably can't be a full-time NFL running back. I just see that as more valuable than a guy that won't play WR much, if at all, likely won't be our primary KR, and would require us to look for another RB if something happened to Barber.

But it shouldn't be the case if you're drafting a RB this high.

Why is the fact we run a 2 back offense so hard for you to understand ? He would be our starter at KR because they're average back there. Barber can't carry the full load either but that still doesn't stop people from pimping his as an elite RB in the NFL your selling this guy to short and you are 2 high on Ray Rice.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Sorry. Limited in the respect that he probably can't be a full-time NFL running back. I just see that as more valuable than a guy that won't play WR much, if at all, likely won't be our primary KR, and would require us to look for another RB if something happened to Barber.

But it shouldn't be the case if you're drafting a RB this high.

Likely won't be our KR? I like Mile Austin and all but he doesn't have a shot if this kid comes to town.

I see what you are saying as far as him being limited. If Barber goes down we are in trouble period. CJ iosn't an every down back but I don't think 90% of the backs out there are every down backs. I just think adding a guy to this offense outweighs a Ray Rice(who I love) or Felix Jones. Plus the fact this team desperately needs a PR, desperately I can't say that enough. He gives us that.

Ray Rice would be great for this team as well, we all have our preference, CJ is just mine. I envision Garrett doing some things with his versatility.

 

[theogt]

Why is the fact we run a 2 back offense so hard for you to understand ?

It's not. That's why I'd advocate for drafting Ray Rice.

He would be our starter at KR because they're average back there.

I don't think that's a certainty at all. Miles Austin was certainly "above average" and we drafted Stanback to be a KR in the 4th round last year.

Barber can't carry the full load either but that still doesn't stop people from pimping his as an elite RB in the NFL

Actually, we don't know if Barber can carry the full load or not.

your selling this guy to short and you are 2 high on Ray Rice.

Personally, I don't think your opinion is worth much.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

However, if MBIII goes down our season goes down with him, because CJ wouldn't be effective as a full time RB.

Considering how pass happy our offense is and how good he can catch out of the backfield how amazing his speed is in the open field how a LB can't guard him one on one I have to disagree with you there.

 

[Little Jr]

Sorry, I mean limited in the respect that he probably can't be a full-time NFL running back. I just see that as more valuable than a guy that won't play WR much, if at all, likely won't be our primary KR, and would require us to look for another RB if something happened to Barber.

But it shouldn't be the case if you're drafting a RB this high.

I agree with Golden that your getting more than just a RB. He can KR, PR and can be used in the O in different situations. Rice you'll get the 7-10 carries a game and thats it. Could he step in be more durable than CJ. Probally so. Still dont know about neither until they step on the field though. I just dont see drafting just in case MB gets hurt. If that the case lets take a QB in the 1st 4 rounds becasue if ROMO gets hurt the season is for sure over. If there was a certainty that MB was going down at some point in the season then yes I might would go with Rice. But if he doesnt you drated a RB thats going to give you 7-10 a game and thats it. With CJ you get the 7-10 and the PR, KR ability. Not to mention you can spread him out in certain situations in the O.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

It's not. That's why I'd advocate for drafting Ray Rice.

I don't think that's a certainty at all. Miles Austin was certainly "above average" and we drafted Stanback to be a KR in the 4th round last year.

Actually, we don't know if Barber can carry the full load or not.

Personally, I don't think your opinion is worth much.

Man your contradiction and bias is showing. But your certain CJ can't. Miles was average and stanback seen the field all of how many times last year im not ready or convinced he could do anything i remember how good our last converted QB KR was.

That's funny i was going to say the same about your opinion.

 

[theogt]

I agree with Golden that your getting more than just a RB. He can KR, PR and can be used in the O in different situations. Rice you'll get the 7-10 carries a game and thats it. Could he step in be more durable than CJ. Probally so. Still dont know about neither until they step on the field though. I just dont see drafting just in case MB gets hurt. If that the case lets take a QB in the 1st 4 rounds becasue if ROMO gets hurt the season is for sure over. If there was a certainty that MB was going down at some point in the season then yes I might would go with Rice. But if he doesnt you drated a RB thats going to give you 7-10 a game and thats it. With CJ you get the 7-10 and the PR, KR ability. Not to mention you can spread him out in certain situations in the O.

Rice could be a PR too. Probably a better one because he's more shifty. PR has little to do with straigt-line speed.

And I don't think he'd be a KR.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Rice could be a PR too. Probably a better one because he's more shifty. PR has little to do with straigt-line speed.

And I don't think he'd be a KR.

Oh my goodness if ray rice ran for president you would vote for him

 

[theogt]

Oh my goodness if ray rice ran for president you would vote for him

You sound like you're about 12 years old? How close am I?

 

[Little Jr]

Rice could be a PR too. Probably a better one because he's more shifty. PR has little to do with straigt-line speed.

And I don't think he'd be a KR.

I will say this. If we draft Rice the sky wont be falling and the season wont be over with. It would still be a very nice pick. I just perfer CJ over Rice.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

You sound like you're about 12 years old? How close am I?

almost 10 years off =)

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I will say this. If we draft Rice the sky wont be falling and the season wont be over with. It would still be a very nice pick. I just perfer CJ over Rice.

we'd be *** in the A. Ray Rice is going to bust and when he does i hope he is no where near dallas when it happens.

 

[jterrell]

He is an interesting prospect and is fun to watch on the highlights.

I am concerned about his lack of consistently solid days. His overall rushing season was pretty mediocre. A college average of 6.00 yard per carry as a senior(much lower in previous years) against those fairly pedestrian defenses and that type of speed has me questioning his vision. Lack of vision can be a deal-breaker at RB.

I'd rather have some of the guys who were consistently a bit more solid. He busted 300 yards one game, went over 200 another and then had only 3 more 100 yards days and 8 games under 100 yards.

Jamaal Charles was much better against better competition though obviously with a better OL as well. Ray Rice was much, much better. Mike Hart was much better. Steve Slaton had a down year but was much better overall for his career.

I think I'd draft them all before CJ.

 

[tomson75]

we'd be *** in the A. Ray Rice is going to bust and when he does i hope he is no where near dallas when it happens.

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