Christine Michael is irritating

[JoeBoBBY]

Walter Payton was a lunch pale guy.
Larry Csonka comes to mind.
Riggins..

Emmitt Smith may have been the ultimate lunch pale guy.

Murray was extacly that too....

Cant beleive I forgot the ultimate lunch pale guy. "Moose" He is a fullback!! They get forgotten all the time.

Witten may be the utlimate lunch pale guy, but we were discussing RBs..

 

[texbumthelife]

Good lord, hyperbole much? Let me tell you about Christine Michael -- yes, he is dumb. And no, he is not as physically gifted as we've ever seen. He stutter steps before cutting, he does not have the ability to change direction without losing speed. As such, he will never be a particularly good RB at this level.

None of that has anything to do with his physical gifts.

We don't have a 'particularly good' RB on this roster at the moment.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I actually think we have found our rotation at this point, DMC starting with Michael as the change of pace guy, then Randle as a 3rd down back when he returns to the active roster.

Nope. Not the rotation... Lol

 

[cowboys2233]

None of that has anything to do with his physical gifts.

Yes, the stutter stepping has everything to do with his physical gifts. Great running backs have the ability to change direction fluidly, without losing speed. He does not have that ability. It is not something that shows up in combine measurables, but it is one of the single most important attributes a RB can have.

 

[texbumthelife]

Yes, the stutter stepping has everything to do with his physical gifts. Great running backs have the ability to change direction fluidly, without losing speed. He does not have that ability. It is not something that shows up in combine measurables, but it is one of the single most important attributes a RB can have.

The stutter step has to do with his running style/ability, not physical ability.

Yes, changing direction without losing speed is definitely a physical gift, though. Funny, that was supposed to be one of his strongest qualities according to scouts...

I disagree with you anyway, from All-22 I haven't seen stutter steps as an issue. I see an inability to read the blocks in a zone scheme and a complete lack of patience. His vision is also severely lacking. I don't think he lacks anything physically. His explosion, top end speed and strength are all off the charts.

 

[cowboys2233]

The stutter step has to do with his running style/ability, not physical ability.

Yes, changing direction without losing speed is definitely a physical gift, though. Funny, that was supposed to be one of his strongest qualities according to scouts...

I disagree with you anyway, from All-22 I haven't seen stutter steps as an issue. I see an inability to read the blocks in a zone scheme and a complete lack of patience. His vision is also severely lacking. I don't think he lacks anything physically. His explosion, top end speed and strength are all off the charts.

I have never seen him move a pile or blow up a linebacker like Murray, so not sure where all this off the chart strength is actually translating on the field. And yes, if one can't change direction without losing speed, one stutter steps. It's not a style, it is a weakness.

 

[texbumthelife]

I have never seen him move a pile or blow up a linebacker like Murray, so not sure where all this off the chart strength is actually translating on the field. And yes, if one can't change direction without losing speed, one stutter steps. It's not a style, it is a weakness.

First of all he's not a power back. He is a shifty, speed back with very strong legs who can run through arm tackles. He isn't ever going to blow people up. That doesn't mean he doesn't have exceptional physical gifts. The fact you're even arguing this with me is asinine. Physical gifts are all he has.

No, a stutter step is hesitation. It's indecisiveness and has nothing to do with physical ability. Very few players, even top level running backs, have the ability to change directions without losing speed. It is generally thought of as an elite quality. It's one of the qualities that separates guys like Adrian Peterson from other good running backs.

You may be seeing his indecisiveness and thinking it is stutter stepping, like it was for McFadden early on, but the kid is as physically gifted as it gets. I don't think you'll find a single person who would side with you that his issue is anything related to physical attributes.

But don't take my word for it [/Levarr Burton]

STRENGTHS
Low center of gravity back with good thickness throughout his frame to take and give out punishment. North-south runner who uses his strong legs to burst out of the hole to eat up six or seven yards in a hurry. More speed in the open field than you’d expect given his size, sets up defenders in the open field for a dangerous cut on the run. Capable of strong cuts on stretch plays, runs with lean and balance to blast or step through arm tackles near the line. Also willing to spin off tackles to free himself in space or stretch for an extra yard inside. Takes out blitzers with cut blocks in pass protection, also defenders at the second level as a lead blocker.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/christine-michael?id=2539322

Strengths

Michael is an electric runner. He gets north-south in a hurry with explosive cuts into the hole and generally plays at a different speed than anyone else on the field. Michael is a rugged and explosive player who will attempt to run a tackler over just as quickly as he'll put a move on them in the open field.

Tools

At 5'10" 220, Michael's frame is just about perfect for an NFL running back. His timed speed of a 4.54 40 at the Combine isn't elite, but his initial burst and moves in the open field still create plenty of long plays. Michael's 43" vertical, 6.69 three-cone time, and 4.02 short shuttle were all the best among running backs at the Combine. His 27 bench press reps and 10'5" broad jump were top three. He is a rare physical specimen.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1601728-christine-michael-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-texas-am-rb

Strengths:

• Natural running ability

• Power

• Good athlete

• Rare agility

• Big upside

• Quick feet

• Yards after contact

• Accelerates to the second level

• Good pad level

• Physical runner

• Cutting ability

• Quickness

• Elusiveness

• Good size

• Great fit for a zone-blocking system

• Scheme versatility

• Real strength

• Short-yardage ability

• Capable of breaking off long runs

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2013cmichael.php#WbuJGMD5US6w2r1S.99

Positives: Explosive first step to the hole, maintains low center of gravity, and keeps his weight forward. Is not afraid of contact, and utilizes leverage extremely well to get under tacklers and drive them back. Will initiate contact, and does a good job of keeping himself clean within effective stiff arm and good balance through contact. Can stop and redirect with explosiveness and Is a tough open field tackle due to his agility and sudden change of direction ability. Is capable of being a consistent pass catcher out of the backfield, but gets a bit sloppy in his routes, and doesn't always look the ball in before turning upfield.

Summary: Michael is a dynamic back with first round talent, but character questions and health concerns could lead to a Draft day fall. His combination of physicality, explosiveness and agility give him the make up of an every down back at the next level, but he'll need to convince teams that he'll submit to authority, and that health issues are behind him.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/2013/4/26/4272576/2013-nfl-draft-christine-michael-scouting-report

I can do this all day. None of this kids problems have anything to do with physical ability. He can't diagnose the holes in our zone scheme, he lacks patience and vision. Patience and vision are the most crucial tools for a running back according to Hall of Famer, NFL Legend and NFL All-Time leading rusher Emmitt Smith.

I wouldn't give up on Michael. I think he needs to learn how to run in a zone blocking scheme where it's not always just north and south. He needs to learn how to switch gears (I think you touched on this) so he can wait for blocks and set things up.

 

[Bleu Star]

First of all he's not a power back. He is a shifty, speed back with very strong legs who can run through arm tackles. He isn't ever going to blow people up. That doesn't mean he doesn't have exceptional physical gifts. The fact you're even arguing this with me is asinine. Physical gifts are all he has.

No, a stutter step is hesitation. It's indecisiveness and has nothing to do with physical ability. Very few players, even top level running backs, have the ability to change directions without losing speed. It is generally thought of as an elite quality. It's one of the qualities that separates guys like Adrian Peterson from other good running backs.

You may be seeing his indecisiveness and thinking it is stutter stepping, like it was for McFadden early on, but the kid is as physically gifted as it gets. I don't think you'll find a single person who would side with you that his issue is anything related to physical attributes.

But don't take my word for it [/Levarr Burton]

STRENGTHS
Low center of gravity back with good thickness throughout his frame to take and give out punishment. North-south runner who uses his strong legs to burst out of the hole to eat up six or seven yards in a hurry. More speed in the open field than you’d expect given his size, sets up defenders in the open field for a dangerous cut on the run. Capable of strong cuts on stretch plays, runs with lean and balance to blast or step through arm tackles near the line. Also willing to spin off tackles to free himself in space or stretch for an extra yard inside. Takes out blitzers with cut blocks in pass protection, also defenders at the second level as a lead blocker.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/christine-michael?id=2539322

Strengths

Michael is an electric runner. He gets north-south in a hurry with explosive cuts into the hole and generally plays at a different speed than anyone else on the field. Michael is a rugged and explosive player who will attempt to run a tackler over just as quickly as he'll put a move on them in the open field.

Tools

At 5'10" 220, Michael's frame is just about perfect for an NFL running back. His timed speed of a 4.54 40 at the Combine isn't elite, but his initial burst and moves in the open field still create plenty of long plays. Michael's 43" vertical, 6.69 three-cone time, and 4.02 short shuttle were all the best among running backs at the Combine. His 27 bench press reps and 10'5" broad jump were top three. He is a rare physical specimen.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-texas-am-rb

Strengths:

• Natural running ability

• Power

• Good athlete

• Rare agility

• Big upside

• Quick feet

• Yards after contact

• Accelerates to the second level

• Good pad level

• Physical runner

• Cutting ability

• Quickness

• Elusiveness

• Good size

• Great fit for a zone-blocking system

• Scheme versatility

• Real strength

• Short-yardage ability

• Capable of breaking off long runs

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2013cmichael.php#WbuJGMD5US6w2r1S.99

Positives: Explosive first step to the hole, maintains low center of gravity, and keeps his weight forward. Is not afraid of contact, and utilizes leverage extremely well to get under tacklers and drive them back. Will initiate contact, and does a good job of keeping himself clean within effective stiff arm and good balance through contact. Can stop and redirect with explosiveness and Is a tough open field tackle due to his agility and sudden change of direction ability. Is capable of being a consistent pass catcher out of the backfield, but gets a bit sloppy in his routes, and doesn't always look the ball in before turning upfield.

Summary: Michael is a dynamic back with first round talent, but character questions and health concerns could lead to a Draft day fall. His combination of physicality, explosiveness and agility give him the make up of an every down back at the next level, but he'll need to convince teams that he'll submit to authority, and that health issues are behind him.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft...3-nfl-draft-christine-michael-scouting-report

I can do this all day. None of this kids problems have anything to do with physical ability. He can't diagnose the holes in our zone scheme, he lacks patience and vision. Patience and vision are the most crucial tools for a running back according to Hall of Famer, NFL Legend and NFL All-Time leading rusher Emmitt Smith.

I wouldn't give up on Michael. I think he needs to learn how to run in a zone blocking scheme where it's not always just north and south. He needs to learn how to switch gears (I think you touched on this) so he can wait for blocks and set things up.

I'm still very much looking forward to seeing how my boy fits in... especially now that Felicia is gone.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'm still very much looking forward to seeing how my boy fits in... especially now that Felicia is gone.

Now that he seems entrenched in the RBBC, I am in his corner. He needs a lot of work though and looks very lost out there at times. As I said above however, he has very rare physical tools for someone his size that I think the team should be patient with. He needs to learn the scheme and realize it's not always best to take the ball at top end speed. He needs to learn to use every gear.

 

[cowboys2233]

First of all he's not a power back. He is a shifty, speed back with very strong legs who can run through arm tackles. He isn't ever going to blow people up. That doesn't mean he doesn't have exceptional physical gifts. The fact you're even arguing this with me is asinine. Physical gifts are all he has.

No, I think you heard some guy somewhere make these claims about Christine Michael and you're just parroting what you heard. I actually watch the guy play and none of these so called gifts shows up on tape. None. And when I hear stuff like Michael has as much physical ability as anyone, I just want to laugh. That's just meaningless noise.

 

[texbumthelife]

No, I think you heard some guy somewhere make these claims about Christine Michael and you're just parroting what you heard. I actually watch the guy play and none of these so called gifts shows up on tape. None. And when I hear stuff like Michael has as much physical ability as anyone, I just want to laugh. That's just meaningless noise.

I actually watch the All-22 weekly and have done numerous play by play breakdowns and player breakdowns here. It's ok man, you can keep going along thinking your smarter than NFL personnel evaluators, scouts and just about anyone else who has seen Michael play.

 

[cowboys2233]

I actually watch the All-22 weekly and have done numerous play by play breakdowns and player breakdowns here. It's ok man, you can keep going along thinking your smarter than NFL personnel evaluators, scouts and just about anyone else who has seen Michael play.

I'm not smarter than the Seahawks organization apparently. They know what this guy is actually worth. Yes, it is okay -- I'll continue to use critical thinking skills, you keep repeating what you've heard others say.

 

[texbumthelife]

No, I think you heard some guy somewhere make these claims about Christine Michael and you're just parroting what you heard. I actually watch the guy play and none of these so called gifts shows up on tape. None. And when I hear stuff like Michael has as much physical ability as anyone, I just want to laugh. That's just meaningless noise.

Also, we aren't talking about the application of his physical gifts. I have stated all over this forum in countless threads he hasn't applied his gifts. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the physical tools. It means he doesn't have the mental tools. Like I have now said just as many times.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'm not smarter than the Seahawks organization apparently. They know what this guy is actually worth. Yes, it is okay -- I'll continue to use critical thinking skills, you keep repeating what you've heard others say.

The Seahawks drafted him in the second round based on his physical abilities. You were saying?

 

[DandyDon52]

He acts too excited to be on the field, like he just won the lottery on one of those fake scratch-off tickets.

low iq and immature is what I see. could be similar to randle who just got cut.
unless CM has a great game , he wont be here next year.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'm not smarter than the Seahawks organization apparently. They know what this guy is actually worth. Yes, it is okay -- I'll continue to use critical thinking skills, you keep repeating what you've heard others say.

Did you really just use the Seahawks evaluation as your reference and then try to discredit my use of SIX sources, and then have the audacity to attack my "critical thinking" ability and use of other people's thoughts on Michael?

hypocrisy
nounhy·poc·ri·sy\hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\
: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel

 

[cowboys2233]

The Seahawks drafted him in the second round based on his physical abilities. You were saying?

Jesus. The Seahawks did not have him prior to drafting him. So they were projecting. And they were obviously wrong. Unless you're suggesting that their pre-draft evaluation of this guy was better than their evaluation of him after actually having him in multiple training camps and watching him every day in practice? Is that what you're suggesting? They have seen Christine Michael front and center for some time now. They drafted him in the second round. And they let him go for a penny.

Again, what the Seahawks do or don't do doesn't really have much bearing on me. As I said, I formulate my own opinions. But I did want to point out that your suggestion that "just about everyone else" who has seen Michael play thinks he is an all-world talent is utterly false. Now that they've seen him for an extended period of time, they think he is worth a late rounder...at best.

 

[Bleu Star]

low iq and immature is what I see. could be similar to randle who just got cut.
unless CM has a great game , he wont be here next year.

Yes. Immature. That can be fixed and fixed quickly with some strong mentorship.

 

[cowboys2233]

Did you really just use the Seahawks evaluation as your reference and then try to discredit my use of SIX sources, and then have the audacity to attack my "critical thinking" ability and use of other people's thoughts on Michael?

hypocrisy
nounhy·poc·ri·sy\hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\
: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel

No, you suggested that "nearly everyone" believes as you do. Which is moronic, given the actions of the Seahawks. Just pointing out your false statement.

 

[RunDMC]

Yes. Immature. That can be fixed and fixed quickly with some strong mentorship.

It's been what three years? The dude still hasn't changed. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Michael is a more talented version of Randle, but he still isn't a starting caliber back.