Claiborne benched... Can we finally admit he's a bust?

[Doomsay]

Yes those guys have been tearing it up.

They'd all be starting or getting significant playing time if we had drafted them last year.

 

[BAZ]

#prematureevaluation

It's really not, bust is of course too strong, but 20 games in and he is what exactly? Not good comes to mind. And why are you # things on the forum?

 

[The Natural]

He may be benched but i'm not ready to give up on him just yet . It's only 4 games into his second year in the NFL. I dont know why so many people are wanting to get rid of this guy so quick. i think he will someday play at a high level hes just got to learn and get the confidence to play at a level i think hes capable of. the situation reminds me of when Dez had his slow start and people were already willing to be done with him. Now Dez is our number one playmaker. a lot can change very fast in the NFL. I would hate for us to give up on Mo and have him go to another team and then elevate his game to another level. For me its gonna take at least this whole year and the next for me to be ready to declare him a bust.

The difference is with Dez it was never a question of talent, it was can he get it on the field mentally. Dez was taking it to the house his 2nd or 3rd game in the league, what has Claiborne done in a year and 4 games? Mo has not shown any real flashes of living up to the title Jerruh laid upon him. I'll admit I do see the potential in him as a down the field cover guy, he typically has good position on the receiver (think back to the "arm bar" that drew a PI..that was textbook coverage) it's every where in between he's shown no consistency. He gets beat on the slants cause he doesnt have elite speed, also has not been a consistent tackler. Mike Jenkins was a far better player at this stage in his career and we didnt have to trade a 2nd to get him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Hindsight is 20/20, I know, but we could have had Brockers, Decastro had we stayed put at #1 and Bobby Wagner, Alshon Jeffrey, Peter Konz, Reuben Randle at #2.

Brockers and Decastro have been busts themselves lol......

 

[Common Sense]

No I don't watch it at all. None of those guys are as impressive as you are making them out to be. The way you make it seem like we passed on some future HOFers or something.

So not only are you clueless, you are too arrogant to own up to idiotic comments.

 

[mugsybows]

The difference is with Dez it was never a question of talent, it was can he get it on the field mentally. Dez was taking it to the house his 2nd or 3rd game in the league, what has Claiborne done in a year and 4 games? Mo has not shown any real flashes of living up to the title Jerruh laid upon him. I'll admit I do see the potential in him as a down the field cover guy, he typically has good position on the receiver (think back to the "arm bar" that drew a PI..that was textbook coverage) it's every where in between he's shown no consistency. He gets beat on the slants cause he doesnt have elite speed, also has not been a consistent tackler. Mike Jenkins was a far better player at this stage in his career and we didnt have to trade a 2nd to get him.

Claiborne made some good plays his first year. He had an endzone interception in the carolina game and had a fumble recovery for a touchdown in the philly game. For the most part i thought his coverage was pretty good that first year as well. Hes still young and currently playing hurt, once he gets his confidence up i feel like he will get that consistency. People have a tendency to absolutely despise the player when they are here but as soon as they leave and see a highlight of them doing a little good on another team they look back on their time here as amazing and want the player back. I always liked Newman and Jenkins but i remember people saying Newman was the worst CB in the league and Jenkins was total trash especially when he made that business decision to not tackle on that one infamous play. I guess absence really does make the heart grow fonder.

 

[The Natural]

Claiborne made some good plays his first year. He had an endzone interception in the carolina game and had a fumble recovery for a touchdown in the philly game. Hes still young and currently playing hurt, once he gets his confidence up i feel like he will get that consistency. People have a tendency to absolutely despise the player when they are here but as soon as they leave and see a highlight of them doing a little good on another team they look back on their time here as amazing and want the player back. I always liked Newman and Jenkins but i remember people saying Newman was the worst CB in the league and Jenkins was total trash especially when he made that business decision to not tackle on that one infamous play. I guess absence really does make the heart grow fonder.

I was always a Jenkins fan and was an advocate for bringing him back so I'm not commenting on him. The problem with Newman, outside of his contract, was him playing 7 yards off the receiver. Back to the thread, Claiborne has yet to justify his draft selection. Sorry if I'm not impressed with the couple of good plays he made compared to the entire body of work.

 

[mugsybows]

But his entire body of work as of now is way too small of a sample size. i think people are just more upset that we selected him so high and then they see players taken after him currently out performing him. I mean its natural to do that but hindsight is 20/20.

And with the 7 yard off the receiver thing, someone complained they hate Mo doing that now too. Maybe its not the players decisions and its actually the coaches making schemes telling them to do that.

 

[The Natural]

But his entire body of work as of now is way too small of a sample size. i think people are just more upset that we selected him so high and then they see players taken after him currently out performing him. I mean its natural to do that but hindsight is 20/20.

Like I said in the above post. Jenkins was a far better player at this juncture in his career than Claiborne

 

[Doomsay]

I'm just glad that the DC has the chops and ability to reposition him. But I think that Mo will get picked on wherever they place him.

 

[mugsybows]

Like I said in the above post. Jenkins was a far better player at this juncture in his career than Claiborne

Mike Jenkins 2008:
1 interception for 23 yards and a TD
4 passes defended
0 fumbles recoveries
19 tackles

Mo Claioborne 2012:
1 interception in the endzone
8 passes defended
1 forced fumble
2 fumble recoveries one for a 50 yard TD
43 tackles
16 assisted tackles

 

[Barrister]

Some people seem quick to jump on this as another Jerry mistake (e.g., Jerry being blinded by "shiny" things, etc.). But I remember hearing at draft time that our scouts had Claiborne rated as the best CB they had rated since Deion. Given that, I wasn't surprised that Jerry wanted Claiborne, thinking he was a sure-fire, no-risk CB starter. Wouldn't it be the scouting department's fault? I know Jerry is the GM and is accountable but if he is acting on the advice of his scouting dept and they are completely wrong, I think re-evaluating our CB scouting may be the first step.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They'd all be starting or getting significant playing time if we had drafted them last year.

And what would our secondary look like? We're rueing the day of two underachieving 1st round picks?

 

[Ring Leader]

I guess Wonderlik scores might matter more than we thought for cornerbacks.

Strange as it seems, there is actually empirical evidence that supports an inverse relationship between wonderlic scores and performance at the cornerback position:

http://fanmonster.com/?p=1373

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Mike Jenkins 2008:
1 interception for 23 yards and a TD
4 passes defended
0 fumbles recoveries
19 tackles

Mo Claioborne 2012:
1 interception in the endzone
8 passes defended
1 forced fumble
2 fumble recoveries one for a 50 yard TD
43 tackles
16 assisted tackles

Well....there goes that argument lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I guess Wonderlik scores might matter more than we thought for cornerbacks.

Well being that Patrick Peterson also had a low Wonderlic score.........

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Mike Jenkins 2008:
1 interception for 23 yards and a TD
4 passes defended
0 fumbles recoveries
19 tackles

Mo Claioborne 2012:
1 interception in the endzone
8 passes defended
1 forced fumble
2 fumble recoveries one for a 50 yard TD
43 tackles
16 assisted tackles

Jenkins was so good at coverage his first 2 years that no one would throw at him , those stats are flawed .

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Mike Jenkins 2008:
1 interception for 23 yards and a TD
4 passes defended
0 fumbles recoveries
19 tackles

Mo Claioborne 2012:
1 interception in the endzone
8 passes defended
1 forced fumble
2 fumble recoveries one for a 50 yard TD
43 tackles
16 assisted tackles

unfortunately those 43 tackles were 20 yards down the field after giving up another catch!

 

[Supercowboy1986]

its pretty comical that posters bring up his wonderlic score. he said at the combine (and it was reported) that he didn't take it on purpose because the questions didn't have anything to do with football. it would of been a different story if he actually took the thing and still scored a 4.

 

[TheCount]

& I thought we were getting a Patrick Peterson replica.. So depressing

You nailed it. We drafted Claiborne chasing the ghost of Patrick Peterson without considering the two are nothing alike. I'll be honest, I was happy to get Claiborne because I thought even if he was 80% of what Peterson was, he'd still be a very good corner.

Turns out he's maybe %30 of what Peterson without nowhere near the ceiling. The only reason I was okay with the trade up was because I thought we were getting an elite player, but surprise, surprise, we made the wrong call yet again.

I don't believe in curses, but if I did, I'd say the Cowboys are cursed. Nothing ever turns out for the best, even when you think you're making all the right decisions.