Classless Redsk*n move

[Cowboys22]

He wouldn't name HIS team a derogatory, racist term, no matter how racist he was. Again, a vegetarian eating meat exposes one supposition as false. Same here - a racist doesn't name his team something racially derogatory.



The ONLY use of the word is in contextual relations to the football team. Nobody uses Redsk*n, ever, in any context in modern vernacular without referring to the team. You're more likely to hear someone referred to as a Plantagenet than a Redsk*n.

Sometimes offense is given, and sometimes, it has to be taken. This is the case of the latter.

He was a racist and did name his team a derogatory term so your argument is mute. You keep saying he wouldn't do it but he did so you have no case. He was a clear racist and segregationist and a linguistic study of the word showed it started to be used in a negative fashion as early as the 1870's and got worse up through the 1920's. That means that by the time he chose the name it was not a pure complimentary term.

You state that nobody uses the slur in modern vernacular except for referring to the team. One question, why do you think that is? The answer to that question is the exact reason the name should go and fans of the team should be ashamed that it has taken this long to come to a head. The name will go. The writing is on the wall. Snyder can resist all he wants but when the league tells him he will never host a Super Bowl, his team will not be scheduled in prime time or get any nationally televised games, and the skins broadcast territory will be drastically reduced as long as the name remains, I think he will quickly change his tune and the name.

 

[jobberone]

I'll leave this open but you people need to stop circumventing the language filter and political stuff.

 

[john van brocklin]

Laugh out Loud, as the OP , I find this amusing, we have 3 threads in one :

1. Posters talking about their dislike for the Deadskins
2. About the censorship of this forum and ,
3. The PC of the name of the Commanders !

Classic !!!

 

[jnday]

I am sure his poll was all-inclusive, extensive (regionally) and scientifically produced and generated.
If his poll is exact, it represents a landmark achievement of recording one people's collective (and not cherry-picked) views. Or did he just go to the casino reservations?
But, yes, I will look for the well-known Rick Reilly's piece.

Have you considered that his poll represents an accurate representation of these people that are supposed to be offended, but are not? There are many posters on here that seem positive that native Americans are getting their feeling hurt even when polls indicate that they are not.

 

[jobberone]

Laugh out Loud, as the OP , I find this amusing, we have 3 threads in one :

1. Posters talking about their dislike for the Deadskins
2. About the censorship of this forum and ,
3. The PC of the name of the Redsk*ns !

Classic !!!

LOL. Welcome to my life.

 

[Clove]

Words don't offend me. It takes a weak person to let a simple word bother them that much.

Unless it was about your mom or daughter? Something will always offend someone. What offends me may not offend you. and although I'm quoting your post, I'm not necessarily talking about you specifically I'm speaking to the board and every one that thinks this way. Common courtesy is being respectful of others. I'm not Native American but the word offends me. And it offends others so stop saying it.

sometimes we act like we're going to die if we have to stop saying certain things. adults never really grow up if you ask me. We always whine we don't get our way

 

[dallasdave]

If I have my way the Cowboys will beat the foreskins 50 to zero this Sunday.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

He was a racist and did name his team a derogatory term so your argument is mute. You keep saying he wouldn't do it but he did so you have no case. He was a clear racist and segregationist and a linguistic study of the word showed it started to be used in a negative fashion as early as the 1870's and got worse up through the 1920's. That means that by the time he chose the name it was not a pure complimentary term.

You state that nobody uses the slur in modern vernacular except for referring to the team. One question, why do you think that is? The answer to that question is the exact reason the name should go and fans of the team should be ashamed that it has taken this long to come to a head. The name will go. The writing is on the wall. Snyder can resist all he wants but when the league tells him he will never host a Super Bowl, his team will not be scheduled in prime time or get any nationally televised games, and the skins broadcast territory will be drastically reduced as long as the name remains, I think he will quickly change his tune and the name.

You keep saying this as fact, yet provide no evidence to back this up. The only linguistic studies I've ever seen have been done by the Smithsonian, and they don't say anything that you're claiming.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

He was a racist and did name his team a derogatory term so your argument is mute. You keep saying he wouldn't do it but he did so you have no case. He was a clear racist and segregationist and a linguistic study of the word showed it started to be used in a negative fashion as early as the 1870's and got worse up through the 1920's. That means that by the time he chose the name it was not a pure complimentary term.

You state that nobody uses the slur in modern vernacular except for referring to the team. One question, why do you think that is? The answer to that question is the exact reason the name should go and fans of the team should be ashamed that it has taken this long to come to a head. The name will go. The writing is on the wall. Snyder can resist all he wants but when the league tells him he will never host a Super Bowl, his team will not be scheduled in prime time or get any nationally televised games, and the skins broadcast territory will be drastically reduced as long as the name remains, I think he will quickly change his tune and the name.

Here are some actual facts that you obviously aren't aware of. Contained in those links below is evidence that Native Americans created the term Commander, why would they make up a derogatory term for themselves? That's as asinine as a racist naming his prize possession after something he hates. It also contains first hand testimony from present day Native Americans who aren't offended by the name, but would be offended if the name was changed. Considering the low percentage of Native Americans who found offense in a term they unfortunately don't know the history of, and the much higher percentage of those who aren't, it's entirely plausible that even more Native Americans would be offended if it was changed. That is a higher likelihood given the facts that this would be the case than anything you've provided (nothing) or those who consider it should be changed based off the 10%.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002961.html

http://neddybee.blogspot.com/2005/04/Commanders-and-war-paint.html

http://helenair.com/news/tribal-lea...cle_cdd827b1-877b-5c63-b8fb-0a9d91d03383.html

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/05/29/retired-native-american-chief-would-be-offended-if-Commanders-did-change-name/

 

[dallasdave]

Ok, 2 days before the game, that's get some Commander hate going.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Have you considered that his poll represents an accurate representation of these people that are supposed to be offended, but are not? There are many posters on here that seem positive that native Americans are getting their feeling hurt even when polls indicate that they are not.

Well you seemed convinced they are not offended. That is the trouble with this country. We treat fellow human beans like dirt then we are surprised they are offended. Live one year on a reservation then see the Commanders unofficial mascot acting like an idiot and see if you are not offended.
But I am sure nothing offends you.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Here are some actual facts that you obviously aren't aware of. Contained in those links below is evidence that Native Americans created the term Redsk*n, why would they make up a derogatory term for themselves? That's as asinine as a racist naming his prize possession after something he hates. It also contains first hand testimony from present day Native Americans who aren't offended by the name, but would be offended if the name was changed. Considering the low percentage of Native Americans who found offense in a term they unfortunately don't know the history of, and the much higher percentage of those who aren't, it's entirely plausible that even more Native Americans would be offended if it was changed. That is a higher likelihood given the facts that this would be the case than anything you've provided (nothing) or those who consider it should be changed based off the 10%.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002961.html

http://neddybee.blogspot.com/2005/04/Redsk*ns-and-war-paint.html

http://helenair.com/news/tribal-lea...cle_cdd827b1-877b-5c63-b8fb-0a9d91d03383.html

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/05/29/retired-native-american-chief-would-be-offended-if-Redsk*ns-did-change-name/

Maybe Danny Snyder could name his team after his own people. Yeah, that would fly.
Be considerate of others (except toward opponents and their fans on game day) and think before you make generalized comments that they are not offended. What scientific, extensive and countrywide poll did you take?

 

[erod]

If we get rid of all Commanders, Braves, Indians, Seminoles, Warriors, etc, will we ever really think about Native Americans again? Or will they vanish from our conscience altogether?

 

[BourbonBalz]

I absolutely HATE political correctness!!!!!! It's the true killer of truth.

 

[jnday]

Unless it was about your mom or daughter? Something will always offend someone. What offends me may not offend you. and although I'm quoting your post, I'm not necessarily talking about you specifically I'm speaking to the board and every one that thinks this way. Common courtesy is being respectful of others. I'm not Native American but the word offends me. And it offends others so stop saying it.

sometimes we act like we're going to die if we have to stop saying certain things. adults never really grow up if you ask me. We always whine we don't get our way

I have Native American ancestors and I am not offended. The odd part of this issue is that several polls have been conducted and it seems that about ten percent of the Native American population considers the term to be offensive. It seems that a higher percentage of people that doesn't have Native American ancestors are offended by the term than the people that the term is referring to. There are racial terms that leave little doubt that using them is meant to be offensive. I just don't happen to consider "Commanders" as one of them. To be honest, I can't think of many words that offend me.

 

[dogberry]

The only group I've run into that give their teams derogatory names are college guys. I'm sure there are other groups, but people don't use those names for professional teams.

Vikings, Buccaneers, and Raiders are the most suspect names in my dictionary.

If an American were going to give his team an unacceptable name, there is an obvious choice that isn't being used here.

Should the Celtics change their name if they don't have any Celts on the team.

The Germans aren't going to get me to call them the Deutsch, and the Japanese won't get me to change to Nipponese.

Edit: I may have to rethink dogberry. I don't think the Earl of Oxford (Shakespeare) meant it as a term of endearment. It to be taken as a self deprecating when I refer to myself. hmmm

 

[aikemirv]

I will have even less respect for Danny Boy if he succumbs to this pressure

 

[jnday]

I will have even less respect for Danny Boy if he succumbs to this pressure

I agree 100%

 

[dallasdave]

When Dallas gets through with Commanders Monday night they will be the DEADSKINS.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The only group I've run into that give their teams derogatory names are college guys. I'm sure there are other groups, but people don't use those names for professional teams.

Vikings, Buccaneers, and Raiders are the most suspect names in my dictionary.

If an American were going to give his team an unacceptable name, there is an obvious choice that isn't being used here.

Should the Celtics change their name if they don't have any Celts on the team.

The Germans aren't going to get me to call them the Deutsch, and the Japanese won't get me to change to Nipponese.

Edit: I may have to rethink dogberry. I don't think the Earl of Oxford (Shakespeare) meant it as a term of endearment. It to be taken as a self deprecating when I refer to myself. hmmm

huh? those aren't derogatory