Classless Redsk*n move

[Future]

to believe in freedom is to believe in the right to offend.

it's really sad society is getting to the point where we think the collective gets to decide how/what people do with their private property.

To believe in the right to offend is to believe in the right to smack people in the mouth when they say something offensive

Which, just for the record, I think is a good thing.

 

[Future]

Pretty interesting perspective...who would you rather root for, the NY Jews or SF Chinamen?

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...-new-york-jews-or-san-francisco-chinamen-cap/

 

[DCBoysfan]

If Native American's say there's something wrong with the word, then there's something wrong with it.

Even aside from that, it's fun to give them a hard time about it.

Common sense is so refreshing, this thread started out talking about an opponent and now it has become let's defend the opponents name. I could care less how the name is dipicted on the board, heck I wish the mods would automatically black out the name LOL.

 

[erod]

People who have a direction in life and don't spend their time looking for reasons to blame their failures on others....don't get offended by trivial mere words. Especially a team mascot name like Commanders.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

People who have a direction in life and don't spend their time looking for reasons to blame their failures on others....don't get offended by trivial mere words. Especially a team mascot name like Redsk*ns.

Who is blaming the Washington Commanders for their supposed failures?

And you mean to tell me that those who are offended by the term Commanders have no direction in life and are automatically failures?






YR

 

[erod]

Who is blaming the Washington Redsk*ns for their supposed failures?

And you mean to tell me that those who are offended by the term Redsk*ns have no direction in life and are automatically failures?

YR

I meet no one, and I mean nobody, that gets caught up in these kind of backwards issues that is anything more than a repeated failure and lifelong underachiever. I travel a lot, and through business, I know a ton of people.

Winners don't fixate on these meaningless, trivial, empty, made-up issues. It's a stupid word, and with it or without it, the history doesn't change. It's frankly stupid to think this word is meant by the franchise to demean or torcher people of Indian heritage. The VAST majority of them like the mascot name, in fact. There are predominantly Indian schools who use it for their nickname, too.

It's stuff like this that gives people with no purpose....a pretend purpose.

It's about INTENT. Look at the intent of the name. If it's not intended to be offensive, than being offended is nothing more than a desperate grab for attention.

 

[Tass]

Pretty interesting perspective...who would you rather root for, the NY Jews or SF Chinamen?

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...-new-york-jews-or-san-francisco-chinamen-cap/

How about the Alabama Negroes? I'd root for them.

 

[Tass]

I meet no one, and I mean nobody, that gets caught up in these kind of backwards issues that is anything more than a repeated failure and lifelong underachiever. I travel a lot, and through business, I know a ton of people.

Winners don't fixate on these meaningless, trivial, empty, made-up issues. It's a stupid word, and with it or without it, the history doesn't change. It's frankly stupid to think this word is meant by the franchise to demean or torcher people of Indian heritage. The VAST majority of them like the mascot name, in fact. There are predominantly Indian schools who use it for their nickname, too.

It's stuff like this that gives people with no purpose....a pretend purpose.

It's about INTENT. Look at the intent of the name. If it's not intended to be offensive, than being offended is nothing more than a desperate grab for attention.

Decent people try not to be jerks.

Intent isn't the be-all end-all. If a guy called another guy 'boy' without rancor the guy who got called 'boy' will likely still be offended if he is from a certain cultural background. If someone is offended by you, either apologize and correct your behavior or tell them to go get stuffed. Either way YOU take responsibility. Don't weez out and say "I am right because that guy is a loser and has no right to be offended."

 

[VACowboy]

Guess we can call them the REDNECKS?

Redskanks?

 

[erod]

Decent people try not to be jerks.

Intent isn't the be-all end-all. If a guy called another guy 'boy' without rancor the guy who got called 'boy' will likely still be offended if he is from a certain cultural background. If someone is offended by you, either apologize and correct your behavior or tell them to go get stuffed. Either way YOU take responsibility. Don't weez out and say "I am right because that guy is a loser and has no right to be offended."

People that want to be offended are always offended. People who don't, aren't. Culture often teaches people to look for opportunities to be offended. Some listen, others do not.

It is easy to tell if someone is intending to be offensive. If they aren't, then their words should not matter. If someone refers to you as "boy" and means nothing by it, then just ignore it. Look at their soul, not a silly word they used. If anything, perhaps it shows they don't see color, but YOU do.

A lot of people want attention they don't deserve. Getting butthurt about everything is one of the easiest ways to get it.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

This couldn't be more wrong. Regardless of the word's origin, it has been considered a racist and derogatory term since the 1960's. Before then it was becoming more and more derogatory starting as far back as 1875, as literary studies of the word have shown. By the time it was chosen for the team name it was certainly viewed by many as a negative term and let's not forget that the man that chose the name was a known and unashamed racist who refused to sign black players until the league forced him to and who set up a foundation with explicit rules that no funds ever be put towards anything or anyone that didn't believe in segregation. I don't think it's a coincidence that that man chose an increasingly negative name for Native Americans. To me, it doesn't matter what a word meant 100's of years ago. It matters what it means now and the term is now soo widely viewed as racists that it hasn't been used in everyday conversations in nearly 50 years and every dictionary that chooses to define it proclaims it to be racist and derogatory. Why would anyone want to be associated with a word that has become racist?

The Smithsonian disagrees and refutes everything you wrote.

 

[dallasdave]

They gotta reach up to touch the ground.

You said it, Commanders are low as they go.

 

[dallasdave]

Redskanks?

I like that name too.

 

[Idgit]

Just a question: Did the Redsk*ns have an unfair advantage over other teams in the shortened season? Or did every team play the same shortened schedule? I never get this asterisk for winning a title in a shortened season, crap. I think it's just as classless.

Not an unfair advantage. Not the same grueling achievement when the seasons are shortened. It's like winning the Iron Man Half Marathon. Still the same competition, not the same accomplishment. Can't understand what's classless about recognizing that, or pointing out the obvious fact to Resk**ns fans, but you're certainly entitled to that opinion.

 

[Wheeltax]

I find humor in the censorship of the word here. Guess I assumed it was a tongue-in-cheek sort of joke.

 

[jnday]

Personally, I'm not offended by it because I do not have any Native American blood in me.

But, I do know plenty of Native Americans that hate that name. (and the polls the Redsk*ns use have been proven to be manipulated).

I don't feel that Snyder and Skins fans are intentionally trying to be racist against Native Americans.

But I do believe that they are letting their ego get in the way of all of this.

The league and Snyder should be above resorting to a name that clearly offends people. I'm sure if I became the owner of a franchise in LA and called them the 'Los Angeles Jew Boys' and had an orthodox Jew as the mascot, Snyder would be outraged by it even if I were 'celebrating the Jewish culture.'

I think Snyder and Skins fans deep down feel that if they get rid of the Redsk*ns nickname, they will admit that they were wrong and then they feel that admittance means that they were racist against Native Americans. I personally would not feel that way. I would feel that they inherited a team with a nickname and they were trying to ignore something that really didn't pertain to them. Instead, they let their ego get in the way and go into spin control and go to war against those that are offended by the name.




YR

Are you saying that the AP poll showing about ten percent of native Americans being offended by the term, was manipulated by the Commanders? The polling results are in this thread.

 

[dallasdave]

Lets all sing hell to the Commanders, hell to the Commanders. Hope I got that song right.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I meet no one, and I mean nobody, that gets caught up in these kind of backwards issues that is anything more than a repeated failure and lifelong underachiever. I travel a lot, and through business, I know a ton of people.

Winners don't fixate on these meaningless, trivial, empty, made-up issues. It's a stupid word, and with it or without it, the history doesn't change. It's frankly stupid to think this word is meant by the franchise to demean or torcher people of Indian heritage. The VAST majority of them like the mascot name, in fact. There are predominantly Indian schools who use it for their nickname, too.

It's stuff like this that gives people with no purpose....a pretend purpose.

It's about INTENT. Look at the intent of the name. If it's not intended to be offensive, than being offended is nothing more than a desperate grab for attention.

Then you simply don't meet a lot of people or you don't meet a lot of 'winners.'

There's nothing wrong with being offended by something. It's part of what makes a person who they are. A person that has their own code of life. Losers blame their failures on others, but there is no connection between people who are offended by something, particularly if it is racist, prejudice or racially insensitive and losers who blame their failures on others.

Your belief that people that are offended by words are automatically losers says a lot about you, who you are and how closed minded you are.






YR

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The name Redsk*ns was never considered racist until all this PC bull**** now. Redsk*n was actually considered honorable and brave. But you know the media.

Considered honorable and brave . . . during the time up to the '90s when watching Commanders die in a hail of bullets from land grabbers traveling by Conestoogas? Oh, I see. I wonder if little Danny Snyder would consider using his people's ethnic name instead of Commanders.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I meet no one, and I mean nobody, that gets caught up in these kind of backwards issues that is anything more than a repeated failure and lifelong underachiever. I travel a lot, and through business, I know a ton of people.

Winners don't fixate on these meaningless, trivial, empty, made-up issues. It's a stupid word, and with it or without it, the history doesn't change. It's frankly stupid to think this word is meant by the franchise to demean or torcher people of Indian heritage. The VAST majority of them like the mascot name, in fact. There are predominantly Indian schools who use it for their nickname, too.

It's stuff like this that gives people with no purpose....a pretend purpose.

It's about INTENT. Look at the intent of the name. If it's not intended to be offensive, than being offended is nothing more than a desperate grab for attention.

I am so glad that you actually traveled to reservations to poll what American Indians think of the name. I bet you do meet a lot of people as you travel.

And, of course, there are predominantly Indian schools THAT use the nickname. Could it be they were named by the non-Indian administrators?

I agree that that the intent of the nickname was not to be hurtful.
Yet, it hurts the people it describes. But, unlike you, this is anecdotal evidence and I did not go to Indian reservations to poll people they way you did.

I like the name The Pilgrims best for that team.