Cobb at 9mill vs Dez at 15mill

[Nightman]

tag dez
restructure tyron
sign cobb
trade dez to raiders for there 1st
draft leonard williams
stop watching the film draft day

then draft Dorial Green Beckham to replace Dez' size

 

[BlindFaith]

Of course I'm not saying that. The Cowboys are a run first team now... less passing plays. It's the system that would hurt Cobb's numbers.

It'll hurt Cobbs numbers, but you're willing to pay a huge contract to Dez? That's exactly why it makes sense to NOT pay big money for a WR. Heck, we could pick up Cobb and maybe a Mike Wallace or Percy Harvin for what it appears Dez is asking for.

 

[joseephuss]

Of course I'm not saying that. The Cowboys are a run first team now... less passing plays. It's the system that would hurt Cobb's numbers.

Dallas ranked 31st in pass attempts with 476.
Green Bay ranked 20th in pass attempts with 536.
Indianapolis ranked 1st in pass attempts with 661.
The league average for pass attempts was 558.7.

 

[joseephuss]

Seriously guys? Randall Cobb over Dez? This is a joke. Cobb is not even on the same level as Bryant im sorry, he was in an offense where he was the number 2 receiver. He wouldnt even demand double coverage here, so hey, lets stack the box and stop the cowboys offense is essentially what would happen. Cobb doesnt scare me if im a d-coordinator, dez on the other hand, you gameplan against

The hypothetical wasn't Cobb over Dez. It was Cobb at $9 million per season over Dez at $15 million per season.

 

[JoeKing]

It'll hurt Cobbs numbers, but you're willing to pay a huge contract to Dez? That's exactly why it makes sense to NOT pay big money for a WR. Heck, we could pick up Cobb and maybe a Mike Wallace or Percy Harvin for what it appears Dez is asking for.

Did I say pay Dez a huge contract? Romo is going to retire in a couple of years. On that day, paying for a high dollar WR makes no sense. I say tag Dez two years and pray that gives us at least one Lombardi trophy. Life without Romo is going to suck as a Cowboys fan.

 

[Nightman]

It'll hurt Cobbs numbers, but you're willing to pay a huge contract to Dez? That's exactly why it makes sense to NOT pay big money for a WR. Heck, we could pick up Cobb and maybe a Mike Wallace or Percy Harvin for what it appears Dez is asking for.

That is what is bugging me the most. Dallas committed to the run last year and went 12-4. It took pressure off of Romo and helped the Defense stay fresh and make big plays.

Now they scoff at paying Murray over 4m and want to throw 100m at Dez. Last year showed WRs are just as easy to draft as RBs. Granted I want them both, but I want to keep the strong running game and we know what Murray can do. Most big time WR contracts don't work out well.

 

[JoeKing]

Dallas ranked 31st in pass attempts with 476.
Green Bay ranked 20th in pass attempts with 536.
Indianapolis ranked 1st in pass attempts with 661.
The league average for pass attempts was 558.7.

Thanks for the stats... you are making the same point.

 

[Jenky]

It'll hurt Cobbs numbers, but you're willing to pay a huge contract to Dez? That's exactly why it makes sense to NOT pay big money for a WR. Heck, we could pick up Cobb and maybe a Mike Wallace or Percy Harvin for what it appears Dez is asking for.

Mike Wallace and Percy Harvin.

Two malcontent players getting paid 12 and 13 million a year respectively.

 

[Doomsday101]

Mike Wallace and Percy Harvin.

Two malcontent players getting paid 12 and 13 million a year respectively.

Harvin contract is 10 mill avg per year Wallace is 12 mill avg per year. CJ and Fitz are at 16 mill a year. I expect Dez to get something between that 12 mill and 16 mill

 

[BlindFaith]

Did I say pay Dez a huge contract? Romo is going to retire in a couple of years. On that day, paying for a high dollar WR makes no sense. I say tag Dez two years and pray that gives us at least one Lombardi trophy. Life without Romo is going to suck as a Cowboys fan.

Franchising him at 13 mill is a huge deal. It give no cap flexibility in spreading out his hit over multiple years. And Dez wants the guaranteed money. You think he's going to be happy getting the tag? Do you want an unhappy Dez on this team for even one year?

 

[DFWJC]

Cobb definitely is not worth 9 million

and

Dez is not getting 15 million/year

 

[Jenky]

Harvin contract is 10 mill avg per year Wallace is 12 mill avg per year. CJ and Fitz are at 16 mill a year. I expect Dez to get something between that 12 mill and 16 mill

My source was this. http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/

Don't know if it was renegotiated when he was traded to the Jets. But yeah, I agree with your 12-16 million range. There are players who aren't worth what they are getting paid.

 

[DFWJC]

Harvin contract is 10 mill avg per year Wallace is 12 mill avg per year. CJ and Fitz are at 16 mill a year. I expect Dez to get something between that 12 mill and 16 mill

All 4 of those contracts are universally considered bad deals...with Calvin maybe being the least worst.

The Harvin and Wallace deals are so bad that both players may very well be cut this offseason.
Any GM that would use them as guidelines would be following the old "you jump of the cliff and I'll follow approach"

But Dez IS much better than both of those guys.

 

[Doomsday101]

My source was this. http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/

Don't know if it was renegotiated when he was traded to the Jets. But yeah, I agree with your 12-16 million range. There are players who aren't worth what they are getting paid.

I think it will be more than 12 but less than 16. That would make Dez the 3rd highest paid WR in the game

 

[perrykemp]

n. Cobb doesnt scare me if im a d-coordinator, dez on the other hand, you gameplan against

I don't agree with this. Cobb is a terrifying slot WR -- I suspect lots of D coordinators spend lots of time trying to figure out how to slow him down.

I think it's OK to say Dez is better without slamming Cobb. Cobb is a very fine WR.

 

[BlindFaith]

Mike Wallace and Percy Harvin.

Two malcontent players getting paid 12 and 13 million a year respectively.

Both will be cut and will be available for much cheaper. And I'm not promoting signing them. I'm just saying that with what we could save by signing Cobb over Dez would give us a big chunk of money that we could use to pick up another WR.

 

[DFWJC]

Cobb is not even the best WR on is own team.

 

[phildadon86]

I don't agree with this. Cobb is a terrifying slot WR -- I suspect lots of D coordinators spend lots of time trying to figure out how to slow him down.

I think it's OK to say Dez is better without slamming Cobb. Cobb is a very fine WR.

Im not denying that. But when you have a team with Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson and Eddie Lacy its easy for Cobb to be expendable if you are a DC. Where as, we have Dez, Murray and Romo. Eliminate Dez and we have Murray and Romo. I wouldnt game plan against Witten Williams and Beasely. Thats what im saying.

 

[Doomsday101]

All 4 of those contracts are universally considered bad deals...with Calvin maybe being the least worst.
The Harvin and Wallace deals are so bad that both players may very well be cut this offseason.
Anyone that would use them as guidelines would be following the old "you jump of the cliff and I'll follow approach"

But Dez IS much better than both of those guys.

I'm not saying those deals are good deals I think they get paid too much, hell I think Rodgers at 22 mill a year is ridicules but it is what it is and that is what agents and players will focus on. It is about the money it is also about stature. Irvin would point to Rice and his contract because Rice was the best and that is what Irvin wanted. Same with Emmitt he would point to Sanders and expected to be paid as such. I don’t see anything that has changed in terms of players looking to what their peers are making.
On the other hand Dallas could just say no way and let him walk or sign him to the FT

 

[Crown Royal]

It will be interesting to see what the market supports this year. The huge money contracts, at least for awhile, are done I suspect. I don't think we are going to see a lot of CJ contracts in the near future. Could be wrong but I don't think so. It's just not good business.

Yep

When this CBA is up it is going to get UUUUGLY. Free Agent paydays are going the way of the dodo bird as teams realize that seldom does one player do a whole lot, the rookie wage scale is only slightly increasing wages, and the NFLPA was really unhappy with this one anyway. I really think this is the last go-round where you see the league setup as it currently is.