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One game with a 113.7 or higher on 25 or more attempts.

He has three total games with a rating of 113.0 or higher -- he had a 113.3 against Denver back in 2010 (37 attempts), a 117.6 against Washington in 2013 (35 attempts) and a 134.6 against Houston in 2013 (a career-low 16 attempts).

So, Bradford has only one game with a rating of 117.7 or higher ... and NONE when he has attempted at least 17 passes. Fifty-seven other quarterbacks have had a 117.7 rating or better in a game with at least 17 attempts during the same span, including the likes of Brady Quinn, Charlie Whitehurst, Christian Ponder, Mike Glennon, Vince Young, Terrelle Pryor, Geno Smith, Kellen Clemens and Case Keenum. Bradford has none.
I asked this question (rhetorical in hindsight) in the preseason, when did the Bradford Rep become so legendary? thought Boomer Esiason was going to show his O face announcing that Falcon game. Just one of the weirdest things Ive seen in awhile
 

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I'd be doing backflips if we went .500 over the next 8 or so games. And I agree with you about chasing players. When we actually draft Romo's replacement, it needs to be a high pick, and it needs to be somebody we develop carefully. It actually probably needs to be two high picks that we develop carefully, and we keep the best one.

As to the RBBC, we've got to get a game where we haven't put ourselves in a second half hole with turnoevers or shot ourselves in the foot with so many penalties on early downs. I have a hard time blaming the backs for the first two weeks. If we can get into a couple games where we soften up the defense and then finally get to run the games out, we'll see a different outcome. I do think we're more of a pass-first or at least a pass-early team right now. We've done a pretty good job, though, extending long drives that way, and with passing it to the backs out of the backfield. Again, if we were putting the ball in the end zone or not turning it over, we'd be putting up those early leads we all want to see. From there, it's going to hopefully be a different equation.

Except that now, with Weeden in the lineup, that might all have to change. I haven't been a fan of rushing Michael into the lineup, but it's crossed my mind that he might be a better complementary back for Weeden than he was for Tony.

Totally agree, starting faster and putting up TDs is the elixir
 
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I asked this question (rhetorical in hindsight) in the preseason, when did the Bradford Rep become so legendary? thought Boomer Esiason was going to show his O face announcing that Falcon game. Just one of the weirdest things Ive seen in awhile

Esiason should be fired.
 

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The problem with Weeden is between his ears. He has much more arm strength then Tony for sure and he's a bigger guy and can thus see out of the pockets. In a perfect scenario Weeden first read is correct and bingo the rocket arm delivers a rocket ball to the receiver. However, I'd say first reads are taken away probably half the time and then one has to got through the progression of reads. That where Romo is very Brady like. His brain processes what his eyes are telling him very quickly and he can rocket through various reads at warp speed. Brandon's first reads are taken away and he stumbles to his second read and if he has to go through the third read he's either on the ground or interceptable ball is on its way. What he also doesn't have is a quick release like Tony has. Tony might be top 5 in the league with his release and couple that with his brain and solid throwing mechanics and you have something special. FWIW, I think Brandon would be the starter on a couple of lousy teams out there right now. Houston is one, Cleveland is another. He's probably better then 75% of the backups currently in the league. I have zero problems with Cassel coming in as I think historically he processes his reads faster then Weeden although he lacks arm strength. He is much more likely to throw the ball away and live to fight another down as he knows he doesn't have a powerful arm. The fun thing is we will find out what's what starting this Sunday.
 

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I think you should get DirectTV and possibly even a Snickers. My Lord, after reading your posts, if I didn't have to work tomorrow, I'd take a pill or drink a whole bottle of Johnny Walker Blue..:.

Sorry, I don't get what you mean.
 

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Love this. We need to eek out a couple wins over this stretch, and I love that the team is doing something--anything--to make that happen
 

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What part of you saying Matt Cassel would be still keeping us in contention for a Super Bowl did I not understand?

I said if it keeps the team in contention for a Super Bowl. Like if Weeden goes down or he stinks up the place, now we have a viable veteran to hold the fort until Romo comes back instead of someone like Moore.
 

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That was in the first season, after injury with Belicheck as Head coach. How was RGIIIs rookie year? Defensive Coordinators begin to get a beat on these guys, Romo had some struggles too, but he continued to improve and understand how to overcome + an innate ability to improvise and make snap decisions. These guys have been marked and really seem content with that tag (an assumption, but there hasnt been a positive sloping trajectory).

I would have just rolled with Kellen Moore, Showers or at least a QB with some mobility and that may develop.

Showers or Moore over a proven veteran bus driver in Cassel? Really? I have story that serves as an analogy for exactly what you are suggesting:

In my Senior year of highschool our highly ranked six-man football team was taking Strawn to the cleaners in the the State Quarterfinal game up until right at the end of the first half, when our Sr. starting QB goes down. The next man on the depth chart was our freshman qb, who though physically gifted as he was, clearly was not ready to perform at the level he was being asked to perform at, and effectively brings our offensive playmaking ability to a grinding halt. We lose the game. Moore and Showers are the freshmen QB on this Cowboys rosters, you don't enter one into the starting line up of a highschool football team with potential to win a state championship if you can help it; you especially don't do it with an NFL team that is projected to reach the Superbowl. This is asinine, the Cowboys front office made a smart move in finding a decent quality QB to help tread water for a few weeks if need be until Romo returns. Showers or Moore would more than likely ensure losses because they are so green.
 

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There is precedence here. The Brad Johnson Experience was target #1. 2008, he had a abysmal, bubonic plague awful preseason. Everyone knew he couldn't get the ball 15 Yards down the field...yet we kept him, and miss the playoffs by a game as the Rams (whom I think we're 2-14) beat us like we stole underwear. Then he was pulled for Brooks Bollinger who played at the same level of crap.

Then there was the Stephen McGhee experiment, bleck. Orton, who played decent but couldn't win the one game needed either.

If your starter goes down, you are most likely doomed. I don't see how a Weeden, Cassel, McCown, come in and get you to 500. Weeden just looks confused and really the same as Bradford looked last week. He has never even flashed winning ability

There's always a chance the light goes off for him, and I hope it does because fretting the season is over in week 2 really blows. But the odds say you likely would get about the same results if you just signed Tebow or let Showers run the read option for 4-5 games.

There isnt even an element of surprise with a weeden/Cassell ilk. So the draft pick really is more valuable.

may come as a surprise to some, but i completely disagree. 90% of the time we hear how the final rounds were wasted. usually this is by people who have a final hope a "pet cat" will be called and they can dance for joy in the final stages of what is now a pure show albeit boring as hell draft.

there are qb's who do well when coming in for the 1st stringer and we've seen a LOT of them. unfortunately it's usually against us - so hey, maybe this is payback time. but to say going out and getting experience is a waste of a pick i would totally have to disagree. if weeden should do down, there is NO ONE around on our roster today who could at least find the keys to the bus, much less drive it. at least we have that in cassel and in a season we're i think a vast majority of us were hoping for a great year, i'm not ready to throw it away just yet.

not by any measure at all, no.

so we've got a new wr. so we've got a new backup qb. so we made more moves lately than a standard chess tournament.

but we're still 2-0 and this division sucks fermented donkey eggs. we can still take this even with the hardships we've hit lately.

so take that pick and swap 'em around and give us one of the better options out there. sure some will do their darth NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impersonation but ya know what? show me ANY move where someone DIDN'T have to darth is up. we simply weren't going to find another starting QB sitting out there just waiting for us to give him a call (hell, even a "her" these days, right?) and wa-la problem solved. so our choices were:

1) stand pat and bring up showers or moore.
2) do what we did
3) trade for brees or something. uh huh huh huh huh...get it... i got showers and brees in the same paragraph. i rule.

but seriously. we simply had to bring in the best we could with what we had on the table and in my mind that's what we did. i'm sure some will disagree but that's why we're here - talk about it.

and i'm not ready to throw the season away just yet, so get rid of those lower round picks. we are likely to get comp picks we can't do anything with anyway or hell, with the depth we're building, we'll get it back if necessary.
 

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Showers or Moore over a proven veteran bus driver in Cassel? Really? I have story that serves as an analogy for exactly what you are suggesting:

In my Senior year of highschool our highly ranked six-man football team was taking Strawn to the cleaners in the the State Quarterfinal game up until right at the end of the first half, when our Sr. starting QB goes down. The next man on the depth chart was our freshman qb, who though physically gifted as he was, clearly was not ready to perform at the level he was being asked to perform at, and effectively brings our offensive playmaking ability to a grinding halt. We lose the game. Moore and Showers are the freshmen QB on this Cowboys rosters, you don't enter one into the starting line up of a highschool football team with potential to win a state championship if you can help it; you especially don't do it with an NFL team that is projected to reach the Superbowl. This is asinine, the Cowboys front office made a smart move in finding a decent quality QB to help tread water for a few weeks if need be until Romo returns. Showers or Moore would more than likely ensure losses because they are so green.

Linehan has been working with Moore since 2012 preparing him for a situation such as this. If Moore isn't ready yet, he's a wasted roster spot.
 

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Linehan has been working with Moore since 2012 preparing him for a situation such as this. If Moore isn't ready yet, he's a wasted roster spot.

yet he's still there and linehan also.

wonder if we as fans just don't know as much as they do.

nah. carry on.
 

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What are you even trying to say? At least write in a way people can comprehend.

to quote dr crane "it means you don't understand it, and you never will".

but what i'm saying is you're using linehan as a teacher to say moore will never make it if he can't make it now yet moore is still here so linehan must still see something.

kinda putting yourself in a catch 22 to just say "ditch someone!"
 

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to quote dr crane "it means you don't understand it, and you never will".

but what i'm saying is you're using linehan as a teacher to say moore will never make it if he can't make it now yet moore is still here so linehan must still see something.

kinda putting yourself in a catch 22 to just say "ditch someone!"

First off, I never said Linehan is the reason Moore won't be ready. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm saying if Moore can't back up Weeden after 4 offseasons of development, I'm going to assume he's not developing properly. I get needing a QB behind him in case Weeden goes down, but Moore isn't some rookie. He should be ready if called upon.
 

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this tells me the FO sees a real opportunity with this team this year and badly wants to keep its head above water while we get healthy. I think Cassel may be a better QB than Weeden (and certainly better than the FAs out there). I really really like this proactive move here. We can play .500 ball while Tony is away, and that would be HUGE. One of Weeden or Cassel needs to just drive the bus and make the stops safely. We don't need Evil Knievel behind the wheel.
 

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I'm actually ignoring this trade for Cassel. He'll never see a second on the field this season and only serves to add pressure on Weeden to get the job done, which I think isn't needed. Long term, maybe Cassel replaces Romo. Who knows?
 

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Judging on last year's performance, Weeden seems like he could be better served coming off the bench during games. When given more time to prepare, he played worse than when he filled in during the games that Romo went down. Sample size is small, but this seems to be the case. What if this is truly the case? How long do they ride Weeden before going to the next guy?

I think it would take 2 pretty bad losses for them to make a change so hopefully Weeden plays well.
 
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