News: Cole: Cowboys trade for Cassel

[Alexander]

Holy moly.

Now I may have nightmares tonight.

The Landry Jones so good they signed Michael Vick to keep him away from being Ben's backup.

 

[Risen Star]

Holy moly.

Now I may have nightmares tonight.

I hope you don't fall out of your race car bed.

 

[StarBoyz83]

For what?

There is value in insurance. What's the value here? Suck gets hurt, more suck comes in? What does Cassel save you from exactly?

Just making sure they have guys with expierence. Hoping they can stay afloat until Romo comes back.

 

[burmafrd]

Who out there is there that anyone can really say is better? best choice out of a box of blunt rocks.

 

[2much2soon]

And not necessarily that Moore is lousy, it's just there's no one on the active roster who's ever attempted a pass in a real game (other than Weeden).

I didn't catch who they were, but the local Boise sports talk radio show had a couple of Dallas sports media guys on today talking about Moore.

One of them said the concern with Moore isn't so much his arm strength but his foot speed and weight (too light at 195 to take a lot of hits).

The other one echo'd what I had heard of Moore in Detroit; that he is essentially another QB coach. And that he thinks Moore will be an NFL head coach in 15-20 years if he wants to be.

I'd like to see him get his shot in a regular season game with the first team offense. I'd say his best chance is Sunday, before they feel comfortable with Cassell's grasp of the offense, and if/when Weeden has a meltdown and starts nailing Falcons in the numbers every 5th throw LOL.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I'm pretty darn sure Matt Cassel doesn't in any way, shape or form keep us in contention for a Super Bowl.

I don't know that there is much else that could be done at this point, but the idea that Cassel fixes anything is silly.

Who said anything about "fixing" anything?

You simply ignored the rest of what I wrote and were fixated on something you read into it that wasn't even there.

 

[jobberone]

So I'm stuck with this horrendous QB depth chart behind Romo? I can't point out how I'd never be in this position with such a complete bum about to start next week? Then I'd sign a guy off the street. I wouldn't burn a draft pick for someone else who can't play. You've changed nothing about the situation post-trade. You've only weakened your draft capital.

This one was free. Any future lessons cost you likes.

So we have horrendous depth now with Weeden. But going out to get someone to either play the starter now or be the backup is desperate?

You can't have it both ways. And you have to choose from what is available.

As far as having Weeden here as a backup in a SB contending year, whom else would you have had. There are only 32 starters and many of them aren't good enough to start. The QB backup capable list is short and many that are available rotate around the league as teams need to acquire less than starter status QBs. Getting people on waivers is hard. Trading seems to be stupid around here. Vet FAs aren't much as why are they available to start with.

And the answer isn't drafting and developing QBs. It doesn't work out enough esp when you're building and climbing out of the talent hole we were in.

Most understand your backup has limitations otherwise he would be a starter. Two starters seldom happens.

 

[wileedog]

Who said anything about "fixing" anything?

You simply ignored the rest of what I wrote and were fixated on something you read into it that wasn't even there.

What part of you saying Matt Cassel would be still keeping us in contention for a Super Bowl did I not understand?

 

[RoboQB]

Flynn. Though it doesn't matter. They all suck. The benefit here is not losing draft capital. Cassel is garbage. Like the guys on the street.



Well two years ago I would have drafted Landry Jones, who went one pick after B.W. Webb in that 4th round. But he's an unknown. I'd still take that unknown over the known suck that is Weeden. I've been barking for burning some late round picks on a QB for years now. We're in this position because we've basically been ignoring QB for years.

As for a vet, Shaun Hill would have been my guy. Matt Moore and Drew Stanton were other options. All these guys interest me more than what we have.

You aren't going to paint a picture for me where Bradon stinkin Weeden was our best option.

I commend you, Risen Star, for giving an example of what you would've done.... some may not agree with your plan but at least you gave one...
unlike this Grumpy Old Alexander man who, I see, took time to bash your plan while still not giving one of his own.

 

[RoboQB]

As a comparison to what Dallas did with the initial 53-man roster:

The Chicago Bears will start Jimmy Clauson this week... Coach John Fox must feel a bit sick having to start
lil' Jimmy because Clauson is part of the reason Fox was let go from Carolina years ago.

You can't just dial 1-800-Quarterback and get your perfect replacement.... like the Tuna said.

 

[jobberone]

Well, that is a little of the point.

It is an awful QB climate. Bad college talent that does not translate. Bad lifer QBs who recycle because of that deficiency.

And we decided to collect one via trade. Just strange.

That's fair. Not much out there. Can't call QBusters.

 

[Ken]

Well, high level is relative. High level compared to other QBs available at this point, yes

To be able to aquire a guy who has qb'd two different teams to 10-5 records is high level to me.


Not to mention having a td/int ratio of 27/7.

 

[jobberone]

Flynn. Though it doesn't matter. They all suck. The benefit here is not losing draft capital. Cassel is garbage. Like the guys on the street.



Well two years ago I would have drafted Landry Jones, who went one pick after B.W. Webb in that 4th round. But he's an unknown. I'd still take that unknown over the known suck that is Weeden. I've been barking for burning some late round picks on a QB for years now. We're in this position because we've basically been ignoring QB for years.

As for a vet, Shaun Hill would have been my guy. Matt Moore and Drew Stanton were other options. All these guys interest me more than what we have.

You aren't going to paint a picture for me where Bradon stinkin Weeden was our best option.

Good post. Not sure what anyone else has to offer that Weeden doesn't but you likely know the others better than me.

I'll go back to the 'if they were so good' thing.

If you're saying you want better but it's still not great then so do I.

 

[Beast_from_East]

72 career starts, 34-38 record.

96 tds 70 int.

Perfect backup.

Exactly.............he is roughly a .500 QB................that is all we need right now, just get us 3 or 4 wins to keep us in this thing until Romo gets back.

This also sends a message to Weeden that if he craps the bed like he did against Arizona last year..............he is gone. We aint playing around this year, if he cant get it done then its time to go.

Absolutely love this move!!!!!

 

[RS12]

 

[Beast_from_East]

So you absorb the salary with Cassel to do what? Provide expensive insurance since Weeden is really that good?

This whole move just makes little sense from a variety of perspectives.

If Weeden throws 3 picks and we get blown out by the Falcons Sunday................Cassel will be getting the start against the Saints...........I guarantee it.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

It's a smart move, this team has a solid chance of making noise in the playoffs, but it has to get there first and having no backup behind Weeden would risk any chance. We can bemoan Jerry's off-season neglect of providing a "real" backup for Romo, but I'm considering the possibility that Weeden/Cassal can actually pull this off with a solid performance from the rest of the team. Maybe Romo isn't stretching the truth when he says Weeden is ready.

 

[cowboys#1]

I like the move. We need to win now nor later. Trade picks to win now. I'm tired of this super bowl drought. 20 years is long enough. Go get 'em Jerry!

 

[Idgit]

We reportedly had interest in Shaun Hill this offseason, probably also because of his history with Linehan in Detroit. He went back to Minnesota. The same connection with Linehan is the reason Moore's on the team, obviously.

They want a backup on the team at all times who's got experience starting in the league. I think that's pretty obvious. If you've got the OL and think you've got the defense, and only need to cover 8 games or so, that's a pretty reasonable move. If they don't like Ponder or Flynn, I'd rather they pull the trigger to trade for a guy they like better. Unless you just don't accept the obvious fact that they prefer Cassel to the options that were available for free, I don't understand what the objection is. The trade value is trivial, and the draft picks exist to solidify your roster. Backing yourself up at QB in a season where you think you're in position to make a run is kind of a no-brainer.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We reportedly had interest in Shaun Hill this offseason, probably also because of his history with Linehan in Detroit. He went back to Minnesota. The same connection with Linehan is the reason Moore's on the team, obviously.

They want a backup on the team at all times who's got experience starting in the league. I think that's pretty obvious. If you've got the OL and think you've got the defense, and only need to cover 8 games or so, that's a pretty reasonable move. If they don't like Ponder or Flynn, I'd rather they pull the trigger to trade for a guy they like better. Unless you just don't accept the obvious fact that they prefer Cassel to the options that were available for free, I don't understand what the objection is. The trade value is trivial, and the draft picks exist to solidify your roster. Backing yourself up at QB in a season where you think you're in position to make a run is kind of a no-brainer.

Exactly............this is a great move.