Colin Cowherd: Comparing Purdy's situation to Dak

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But as you mentioned the early years of Purdy's contract he'll be surrounded by that stronger roster and in such circumstances then there's an argument they should go for it. Dak on the other hand hasnt got the roster and now after the injury and acceptance that a lot of the players havent developed as required we arent in a place to compete. Not all Dak's fault, but that doesnt detract from the fact that it's highly unlikely and throwing money and CAP on a forlorn roster and hope.

stronger roster based on draft picks who they have done better than us and not because of FA signings. and again, I have given you multiple examples of teams that are competing including GB, Detroit, Philly, who are all the same or worse cap contract situation than cowboys the way you measured it. contracts get restructured. money pushed to the future. you get a 4, 5 year window. the goal is not to make sure 28 cap is OK, the goal is to make a run in 24,25,26,27.....

 

[CATCH17]

Pretty sure not having QB ruins every chance you have of winning a title.

You have a better chance of winning with a solid QB for cheap than you do a little better than solid QB making elite QB money like we have.

We are done until the Prescott era is over. He’s holding us hostage.

 

[Kwyn]

How about not overpaying for a mediocre to decent QB? How about that? Teams don’t HAVE to pay these outrageous contracts for QBs who don’t have the commensurate talent to offset the negative impact these QB contracts have on the cap and you don’t pay Sam Darnold anywhere near 50-60 million. If he wants that, or more even, you tell him to kick sand.

But they all do.

Call it cost of doing business or call it fomo, but just hoping to hit on some castoff QB in free agency is not a better strategy than what these teams are doing

 

[Chasing6]

You have a better chance of winning with a solid QB for cheap than you do a little better than solid QB making elite QB money like we have.

We are done until the Prescott era is over. He’s holding us hostage.

We are done until Jerry is done at the least.

 

[ICP]

All that you really need to know is that Purdy plays for a competent, well run and we'll coached franchise that isn't afraid to move on from QBs that have even gotten the team to the SB whereas. Dak plays for a clown show that tries to pass off mediocrity as excellence and will sign a mediocre QB to the highest contract in NFL history because they are afraid to lose relevance and try to sign and develope a new franchise QB.

 

[Chasing6]

All that you really need to know is that Purdy plays for a competent, well run and we'll coached franchise that isn't afraid to move on from QBs that have even gotten the team to the SB whereas. Dak plays for a clown show that tries to pass off mediocrity as excellence and will sign a mediocre QB to the highest contract in NFL history because they are afraid to lose relevance and try to sign and develope a new franchise QB.

Let's just wait and see what Purdy makes. I bet it is at least $50M per season.

 

[CowboyoWales]

All that you really need to know is that Purdy plays for a competent, well run and we'll coached franchise that isn't afraid to move on from QBs that have even gotten the team to the SB whereas. Dak plays for a clown show that tries to pass off mediocrity as excellence and will sign a mediocre QB to the highest contract in NFL history because they are afraid to lose relevance and try to sign and develope a new franchise QB.

Spot on.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

But they all do.

Call it cost of doing business or call it fomo, but just hoping to hit on some castoff QB in free agency is not a better strategy than what these teams are doing

The point is that these teams don’t HAVE to grossly overpay for these mid-tier QBs. You’re not going to win a SB paying those QBs market setting contracts every round of FA, anyway, so why do it? They aren’t anywhere near good enough to offset the roster attrition and depletion their contracts cause. The QB market needs a mid-level market layer to emerge that fairly and adequately compensates these QBs in a way that is commensurate with their actual talent and the only way that happens is for teams in the league to stop doing what they are currently doing. It really isn’t necessary. It really isn’t.

We are plausibly going to see a near extinction of mid-tier QBs winning SBs once they sign contracts after their rookie windows. Right now, teams have to catch lightening in a bottle with these types of QBs in their rookie windows and then are forced into on decide on how much to grossly overpay them to keep them, such as the position the Niners are currently in. It’s just an absurd evolution of the pro game that makes it way more difficult than it should be to build a great team with a Jim McMahon-level/Mark Rypien-level type of QB. The ‘85 Bears in today’s market would have to pay McMahon far more than he was worth and subsequently gut their roster of depth and talent to do so. I’d like a league to exist where the two prevailing strategies for winning SBs is not to have an elite QB or have an average to decent QB in their rookie windows. I’d like to have a league where teams with a Purdy or Prescott aren’t stuck with insanely overpaying in second and third contracts just because they are starting QBs. It’s ridiculous.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

But they all do.

Call it cost of doing business or call it fomo, but just hoping to hit on some castoff QB in free agency is not a better strategy than what these teams are doing

The point is that these teams don’t HAVE to grossly overpay for these mid-tier QBs. You’re not going to win a SB paying those QBs market setting contracts every round of FA, anyway, so why do it? They aren’t anywhere near good enough to offset the roster attrition and depletion their contracts cause. The QB market needs a mid-level market layer to emerge that fairly and adequately compensates these QBs in a way that is commensurate with their actual talent and the only way that happens is for teams in the league to stop doing what they are currently doing. It really isn’t necessary. It really isn’t.

We are plausibly going to see a near extinction of mid-tier QBs winning SBs once they sign contracts after their rookie windows. Right now, teams have to catch lightening in a bottle with these types of QBs in their rookie windows and then are forced to decide on how much to grossly overpay them to keep them, such as the position the Niners are currently in. It’s just an absurd evolution of the pro game that makes it way more difficult than it should be to build a great team with a Jim McMahon-level/Mark Rypien-level type of QB. The ‘85 Bears in today’s market would have to pay McMahon far more than he was worth and subsequently gut their roster of depth and talent to do so. I’d like a league to exist where the two prevailing strategies for winning SBs are not to have an elite QB or have an average to decent QB in their rookie windows. I’d like to have a league where teams with a Purdy or Prescott aren’t stuck with insanely overpaying in second and third contracts just because they are starting QBs and could actually build around them with a loaded roster while also benefiting from a mid-tier QB getting better and more experienced. It’s ridiculous that signing these guys to second and third contracts invariably makes your team worse in the short term.

 

[Kwyn]

The point is that these teams don’t HAVE to grossly overpay for these mid-tier QBs. You’re not going to win a SB paying those QBs market setting contracts every round of FA, anyway, so why do it? They aren’t anywhere near good enough to offset the roster attrition and depletion their contracts cause. The QB market needs a mid-level market layer to emerge that fairly and adequately compensates these QBs in a way that is commensurate with their actual talent and the only way that happens is for teams in the league to stop doing what they are currently doing. It really isn’t necessary. It really isn’t.

We are plausibly going to see a near extinction of mid-tier QBs winning SBs once they sign contracts after their rookie windows. Right now, teams have to catch lightening in a bottle with these types of QBs in their rookie windows and then are forced into on decide on how much to grossly overpay them to keep them, such as the position the Niners are currently in. It’s just an absurd evolution of the pro game that makes it way more difficult than it should be to build a great team with a Jim McMahon-level/Mark Rypien-level type of QB. The ‘85 Bears in today’s market would have to pay McMahon far more than he was worth and subsequently gut their roster of depth and talent to do so. I’d like a league to exist where the two prevailing strategies for winning SBs is not to have an elite QB or have an average to decent QB in their rookie windows. I’d like to have a league where teams with a Purdy or Prescott aren’t stuck with insanely overpaying in second and third contracts just because they are starting QBs. It’s ridiculous.

“Mid tier QBs winning Super Bowls” is like missing the days when dinosaurs walked the earth.

McMahon was Gardner Minshew with the greatest defense in history.

That just doesn’t fly these days because the entire NFL business model … for every team .. for every TV contract … for every new stadium deal … for every bulsh rule change … is geared to give championships to elite QB play.

So, you are preaching to the choir. Teams *must* catch lightning in a bottle.

Dak was the #2 mvp candidate just one year ago.

What team is going to just flush that and sign some random journeyman, or lol, go with cooper Rush, when they are at least *close* at QB.

Fans are always in the mindset of anything less than we are POWER ASCENDANT means you have to tear the entire team down to 53 undrafted free agents.

It’s just unrealistic

 

[CarolinaFathead]

“Mid tier QBs winning Super Bowls” is like missing the days when dinosaurs walked the earth.

McMahon was Gardner Minshew with the greatest defense in history.

That just doesn’t fly these days because the entire NFL business model … for every team .. for every TV contract … for every new stadium deal … for every bulsh rule change … is geared to give championships to elite QB play.

So, you are preaching to the choir. Teams *must* catch lightning in a bottle.

Dak was the #2 mvp candidate just one year ago.

What team is going to just flush that and sign some random journeyman, or lol, go with cooper Rush, when they are at least *close* at QB.

Fans are always in the mindset of anything less than we are POWER ASCENDANT means you have to tear the entire team down to 53 undrafted free agents.

It’s just unrealistic

The league doesn’t have to be built with the gravitational pull of elite QB play directing the evolution of the league. Elite QBs are by definition rare, so the league using that metric as a marketing tool for popularity will water down the product and that is what we have currently. Without an elite QB, or a rookie-window-QB playing maturely and above his experience level ala Russ Wilson, you have very little chance to win a SB. Detroit and the Eagles this year are the only teams that have bucked this trend that’s become some dominant league wide. Maybe it’s a sign front offices are finally adjusting adequately to this paradigm or maybe it is just an outlier to the mean, which requires walking a tightrope of good fortune and savvy drafting and free agent signings. Too early to tell really.

Regardless, the league should have an environment where a championship-level squad can exist on a regular basis without having an elite QB or some mature-beyond-his-years rookie. Telling a mid-tier QB that wants to reset the market to go pound sand could plausibly open up that mid-level layer the QB market so desperately needs and make it plausible to build those kinds of championship teams again.

 

[Kwyn]

The league doesn’t have to be built with the gravitational pull of elite QB play directing the evolution of the league. Elite QBs are by definition rare, so the league using that metric as a marketing tool for popularity will water down the product and that is what we have currently. Without an elite QB, or a rookie-window-QB playing maturely and above his experience level ala Russ Wilson, you have very little chance to win a SB. Detroit and the Eagles this year are the only teams that have bucked this trend that’s become some dominant league wide. Maybe it’s a sign front offices are finally adjusting adequately to this paradigm or maybe it is just an outlier to the mean, which requires walking a tightrope of good fortune and savvy drafting and free agent signings. Too early to tell really.

Regardless, the league should have an environment where a championship-level squad can exist on a regular basis without having an elite QB or some mature-beyond-his-years rookie. Telling a mid-tier QB that wants to reset the market to go pound sand could plausibly open up that mid-level layer the QB market so desperately needs and make it plausible to build those kinds of championship teams again.

Do you feel that is even close to what we may see in the next 20 years?

 

[Chasing6]

How about not overpaying for a mediocre to decent QB? How about that? Teams don’t HAVE to pay these outrageous contracts for QBs who don’t have the commensurate talent to offset the negative impact these QB contracts have on the cap and you don’t pay Sam Darnold anywhere near 50-60 million. If he wants that, or more even, you tell him to kick sand.

Simple supply and demand. If the Vikings don't want to pay Darnold someone else will.

 

[Chasing6]

“Mid tier QBs winning Super Bowls” is like missing the days when dinosaurs walked the earth.

McMahon was Gardner Minshew with the greatest defense in history.

That just doesn’t fly these days because the entire NFL business model … for every team .. for every TV contract … for every new stadium deal … for every bulsh rule change … is geared to give championships to elite QB play.

So, you are preaching to the choir. Teams *must* catch lightning in a bottle.

Dak was the #2 mvp candidate just one year ago.

What team is going to just flush that and sign some random journeyman, or lol, go with cooper Rush, when they are at least *close* at QB.

Fans are always in the mindset of anything less than we are POWER ASCENDANT means you have to tear the entire team down to 53 undrafted free agents.

It’s just unrealistic

You have to build a complimentary football team period. Mahomes does not carry his team.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Do you feel that is even close to what we may see in the next 20 years?

If I was going to put odds on it, I’d say it is very unlikely and for me, that means steadily losing interest in the league as a whole. I know I’m probably in the minority here.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Simple supply and demand. If the Vikings don't want to pay Darnold someone else will.

Darnold will cash in on his solid season, but I doubt he, or Purdy, will sign for more than $50 million AAv. Hurts was the highest paid player in NFL history for six days. Prescott may be the highest paid for a few years.

 

[plasticman]

Purdy is a system quarterback and the 49ers have always given themselves options. Purdy simply doesn't have the type of leverage that Dak had.

Purdy either signs a very team-friendly contract or they go somewhere else.

The 49ers realize that Purdy is not the type of quarterback that can carry a team. The 49ers realize this unlike the Cowboys perception of Dak.

Dak really is a good quarterback if he stays within his abilities and manages the offense with a good running game.

Going into the season with a developing O-line, unsettled at RB and expecting the passing game to compensate was pure season suicide. When the Cowboys entire DE squad was injured after 4 weeks and Bland was unable to play the first half of the season, the defense was morbid. The defense only showed signs of life when Parsons came back and Overshown was healthy.

Sometimes we forget just how different other teams are when it comes to management. Their owner hires professionals. Jerry hires himself or anyone else genetically close.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Darnold will cash in on his solid season, but I doubt he, or Purdy, will sign for more than $50 million AAv. Hurts was the highest paid player in NFL history for six days. Prescott may be the highest paid for a few years.

From your lips, or better said fingers lol, to God’s ears.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Simple supply and demand. If the Vikings don't want to pay Darnold someone else will.

This isn’t simple supply and demand. That’s far too reductive imo. This is a hyper-inflated market with a bulging bubble that needs to, and should, burst. Think 2009 United States real estate market.

The price for a starting QB is not corresponding or correlating to the actual talent level of a particular QB. In fact, the phrase “starting QB” is now synonymous with the phrase “franchise QB” and that didn’t use to be the case. Those two phrases used to mean very different things.

 

[Chasing6]

This isn’t simple supply and demand. That’s far too reductive imo. This is a hyper-inflated market with a bulging bubble that needs to, and should, burst. Think 2009 United States real estate market.

The price for a starting QB is not corresponding or correlating to the actual talent level of a particular QB. In fact, the phrase “starting QB” is now synonymous with the phrase “franchise QB” and that didn’t use to be the case. Those two phrases used to mean very different things.

If that is the case the all the teams with the best QB's will start losing. I don't see it happening.