Colin Cowherd: Comparing Purdy's situation to Dak

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sorry Wales, but this is almost hilarious. you want to replace an entire team. almost (eexcept WR1).....essentially saying this team isn't good enough to compete, both on offense and defense, yet, its Dak that's at fault.not defending Dak, but that's what you said above and then 55M isn't enough. how are you going to find all of those players to improve this team in FA!!!!, which brings us back to signing garbage FAs to fill positions because there is so many. this all boils down to one person and that's jerry jones.

and we have no idea if Henry wouldn't choose us, because at the end of the day, they are not spending their time on Fanzone and listening to the anti-Dak crowd. despite all the rhetoric on this site, the NFL players know different and think different. Henry was from texas and wanted to stay close to home, but we didn't even make an attempt, because we weren't willing to pay his price.

and I don't think Jerry thinks we spend 90M in pass game. he has a cap to spend, he has cap floor to have to meet. just like any other team.

btw, Jerry didn't even print #15 Zeke jersey's. he kept selling the #21. I think he had a bunch of extra inventory he wanted to get rid of, so brought zeke and tried to push those merchendise.

this team has so many issues beyond Dak and his play. the culture is bad. the make up of the team is bad. the GM plays fantasy football. the coaches are a joke and get run over by Jerry daily. this team will not win with Mahomes at the helm. Jerry would find a way to screw it up.
It's not Dak's fault, that's your agenda....my point is it's highly unlikely we can win with him taking 17% of the CAP....Example1 - 2023, we had everything inc a better allround roster than we can build in the next 3 years.
He just needs too much to succeed.
 

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I don't think we overpay any differently than other teams.

and yes, philly and Detroit have to pay the piper, but in the meantime, they are competitive. I think the window is usually 4-5 years for teams that don't have a mahomes or burrows.
We do overpay (and we extend everyone): Weve paid Top QB, joint top WR.....top Guard, Tyron and Tank and Diggs overpaid ... the problem is that all of those players have for whatever reason come up short (injury, form, connection, lack of leadership).
As for the 4-6 year window, didn't we have three 12-5 seasons and 2022 and 2023 was just as much on those on the field as it was on Jerry.
We are just paying that piper....and with a problematic roster, it may take 2025....especially as we don't know what Dak will be post injury.
 

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It's not Dak's fault, that's your agenda....my point is it's highly unlikely we can win with him taking 17% of the CAP....Example1 - 2023, we had everything inc a better allround roster than we can build in the next 3 years.
He just needs too much to succeed.
no, not my agenda. unlike most Dak haters, I don't think there is a singular point of failure. there are many and they contribute in different ways and Dak contributes a lot.
just because I don't singularly focus on Dak for everything that ails the cowboys doesn't make it my agenda.
I am realist.

and again, and again and again and again, 17% of the cap.....cap is not the issue. I have shown that clearly. that's a moot point. you yourself said as much. we have so many needs that 55M couldn't solve. so the issue is not the cap, its personel evaluation and management and the team make up.
 

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we have so many needs that 55M couldn't solve. so the issue is not the cap, its personel evaluation and management and the team make up.
So many needs, due in part to an Offense where Dak needs EVERYTHING to perform. and the defective ability to evaluate including Dak, a QB, with so many needs and composure issues that he can't perform in play-offs.
You can't evaluate him as a 2nd in MVP, without adding in the play-offs....he is who he is and no matter of CAP spending is really going to help, because history states, in the end we'll fail as soon as he comes under pressure.
 

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So many needs, due in part to an Offense where Dak needs EVERYTHING to perform. and the defective ability to evaluate including Dak, a QB, with so many needs and composure issues that he can't perform in play-offs.
You can't evaluate him as a 2nd in MVP, without adding in the play-offs....he is who he is and no matter of CAP spending is really going to help, because history states, in the end we'll fail as soon as he comes under pressure.
I tend to disagree. you are now over exagerating quite a bit. wether you like it or not, we were 12-5. three years in a row. people say hey we just beat up on bad teams, but then you do the analysis and see heck, almost every team is similar. so we were good enough to get into post season, but not good enough to advance in the playoffs. so playoffs are an issue and even in the playoffs, Dak under performed, but do you think the defense performed? do you think the other players came through? GB loss was embarassing. but it wasn't just Dak, this whole team choked. not just a single point of failure. does Dak carry majority of the burden? yes. he is the QB, it goes with the territory, but every QB needs help.

Mahomes and KC scored all of 3 points in superbowl last year. couldn't move the ball. struggled. yet their defense held long enough for them to come around. so mahomes had help. he is great and he came through and has the knack to just pull out wins when needed. that's what makes him mahomes.

and I think I agreed with you a while back. I advocated for cowboys to move on from Dak and vice versa. it would have been good for both. but it didn't happen. having done that we would have truly reset and had to chase for a QB. and lets try again. the fact that on Rookie contract we couldn't get it done with no cap excuses. now large contract is all the rage....

like I said, Mahomes wouldn't win here. Jerry would find a way to screw it up. could he perhaps win a playoff game or two? yes, but probably no superbowls nor superbowl wins. if we need a mahomes, generational talent to be competitive and feel we have a chance, we are screwed no matter how you look at it.
 

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I tend to disagree. you are now over exagerating quite a bit. wether you like it or not, we were 12-5. three years in a row. people say hey we just beat up on bad teams, but then you do the analysis and see heck, almost every team is similar. so we were good enough to get into post season, but not good enough to advance in the playoffs. so playoffs are an issue and even in the playoffs, Dak under performed, but do you think the defense performed? do you think the other players came through? GB loss was embarassing. but it wasn't just Dak, this whole team choked. not just a single point of failure. does Dak carry majority of the burden? yes. he is the QB, it goes with the territory, but every QB needs help.

Mahomes and KC scored all of 3 points in superbowl last year. couldn't move the ball. struggled. yet their defense held long enough for them to come around. so mahomes had help. he is great and he came through and has the knack to just pull out wins when needed. that's what makes him mahomes.

and I think I agreed with you a while back. I advocated for cowboys to move on from Dak and vice versa. it would have been good for both. but it didn't happen. having done that we would have truly reset and had to chase for a QB. and lets try again. the fact that on Rookie contract we couldn't get it done with no cap excuses. now large contract is all the rage....

like I said, Mahomes wouldn't win here. Jerry would find a way to screw it up. could he perhaps win a playoff game or two? yes, but probably no superbowls nor superbowl wins. if we need a mahomes, generational talent to be competitive and feel we have a chance, we are screwed no matter how you look at it.
'Mahomes wouldn't win here'???? The very fact that he doesn't need a stacked Receiving room, can function without a dominant O:Line and out of the pocket, can identify more than one progression and extend plays, his running ability... and finally and probably most importantly, he is able to keep composure and lead his team when clocks ticking and he needs to produce.
 

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It’s a great test as to whether or not the league is waking up to the insanity of paying tier 2 and 3 QBs absurdly out of whack cap crushing contracts.

Imagine if every starting PF/C wanted to be paid what Joker is paid just because they are a starting PF/C. I know it’s not a 1:1 comparison because QB is arguably the single most important position in all of sports, but the principle remains the same.
Paying Dak two mega contracts are the two dumbest things this team has ever done
 

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'Mahomes wouldn't win here'???? The very fact that he doesn't need a stacked Receiving room, can function without a dominant O:Line and out of the pocket, can identify more than one progression and extend plays, his running ability... and finally and probably most importantly, he is able to keep composure and lead his team when clocks ticking and he needs to produce.
I'd say to a degree that Mahomes wouldn't win here is true. Yes I agree he can function with a lot less, but I suspect that the dysfunction and insanity would simply be too much to overcome even for him. And I'd say that about any of the best QB's in the league.
 

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'Mahomes wouldn't win here'???? The very fact that he doesn't need a stacked Receiving room, can function without a dominant O:Line and out of the pocket, can identify more than one progression and extend plays, his running ability... and finally and probably most importantly, he is able to keep composure and lead his team when clocks ticking and he needs to produce.
Jerry would find a way to ruin mahomes in Dallas. trust me

and he has won different ways. he had Hill, Kelce and a great OL. he has had lesser offensive players, and this year they have a really good defense. they haven't scored once over 30 points and they went 15-2, essentially giving away the last game. I said it before, give me a defense that Rush had a couple of years back, holding opponents to 13 points and I can get 8 wins easily, Rush can get us to championship game with that type of defense. but alas, we got Mazi Smith and Joseph as DTs, not Jones
 

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Because cowherd offered the comparison and that’s what this thread is about.
so should Purdy be paid more? will paying Purdy handicap them from making moves.
Purdy has had a very strong team around him. #1 defense. best RB (future HOFer), couple of top notch WRs, a great TE and OL. great coaching.
but having that he was able to get the team to the superbowl.

losing a few of those like a WR and RB, and they missed the playoffs.

10 other QBs can be Purdy easily with that type of support. doesn't mean Dak is worse or better than him.

Purdy in Dallas would be exactly what we have under jones. people way underestimate the joneses ability to screw things up and the lack of culture leading to where we are.
 

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so should Purdy be paid more? will paying Purdy handicap them from making moves.
Yes, especially during the latter years, however, it's yet to see whether he can raise his game to make up for the loses.....Dak proved he couldnt do it, certainly blame Jerry, but the reality is he was part culpable for the three play-off loses, not the only fault, but clearly not the answer.

Purdy's in a similar situation as Dak and yes it's more difficult paying that large CAP hit because you're either going to have to make sacrifices, or take that hit down the road. The 'kick the can' isnt so severe on Purdy as there's potential of another contract, if we do it now with Dak's contract we're going to have a massive Dead CAP hit down the road (resulting in a very similar scenario when Dak took over and we were stuck paying Romo).
 

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Yes, especially during the latter years, however, it's yet to see whether he can raise his game to make up for the loses.....Dak proved he couldnt do it, certainly blame Jerry, but the reality is he was part culpable for the three play-off loses, not the only fault, but clearly not the answer.

Purdy's in a similar situation as Dak and yes it's more difficult paying that large CAP hit because you're either going to have to make sacrifices, or take that hit down the road. The 'kick the can' isnt so severe on Purdy as there's potential of another contract, if we do it now with Dak's contract we're going to have a massive Dead CAP hit down the road (resulting in a very similar scenario when Dak took over and we were stuck paying Romo).
during the latter years. what about during the earlier years...

sounds like you are dismissing the earlier years, sacrificing and resetting so you can be in good position for latter years, and the latter years keep moving into the future.
 

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during the latter years. what about during the earlier years...

sounds like you are dismissing the earlier years, sacrificing and resetting so you can be in good position for latter years, and the latter years keep moving into the future.
But as you mentioned the early years of Purdy's contract he'll be surrounded by that stronger roster and in such circumstances then there's an argument they should go for it. Dak on the other hand hasnt got the roster and now after the injury and acceptance that a lot of the players havent developed as required we arent in a place to compete. Not all Dak's fault, but that doesnt detract from the fact that it's highly unlikely and throwing money and CAP on a forlorn roster and hope.
 
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