Colin Cowherd: Comparing Purdy's situation to Dak

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again, you are trying so hard to tie the Dak contract and his value to Cap space and us being unable to make any moves (in your mind)...if Dak makes 5M do you think we are going to win anything?
I know you don't like Dak. you are welcome to your opinion. I am not saying you are wrong.but this 17% cap stuff is simply not true about our unwillingness as opposed to inability to sign any FAs.

the contract value relative to the cap is not an issue that can't be overcome...again, 31 other teams deal with the same.... this is the value of the contract relative to your opinion of what Dak is worth.
I think yourissue is you don't think Dak is good. so you don't think he deserves that contract.....and you are trying to tie that into the cap and being handicapped in making any moves.

and again we had 23M on the cap, why did we sign Joseph instead of a decent DT that were available? do you not think having a decent DT would have helped this team this year? we had 15M the year before, and 20M they year before that and 20+M the year before that!!!. we spend closer to the cap floor than cap ceiling.

who could we have obtained? we didn't make an attempt for Barkley? I clearly showed Philly had similar or worse cap situation and they signed barkley. would he have helped? how about getting Henry? they were top 2 in rushing. how about Leanord Williams instead of Joseph? how about making a run at Williams last year? or so on....

on top of that we have GM that likes to keep players, regardless of performance until end of their contracts (he doesn't like to pay twice for the same position). we lost two players on the OL, replaced them with two rookies and Jones clearly said it out loud, he was crossing his fingers the OL would come together and he should have thought better!!!! that's a GM issue.

cap gets manipulated easily. money pushed to the future. all teams do. and they put it all together to win a championship. Rams did it. have a trophy. now they won the division three years later....that's how you reset. that's how you take your cap hits. we could have easily made moves and signed more than a couple of key players to make this team better. but Jones used the cap excuse and you fell for it head first, becaue of your emotional anger and hatred towards Dak. we get it. you don't like him. I don't either. but that has nothing to do with our ability to manuver in FA. its been shown that we can make 3,4 moves and have almost 70M in cap space next year. that puts cowboys among tops to compete in FA. but will they?

I am sure you are going to say, Dak and 17%....we are doomed. we are handicapped. we can't make moves. 17%...cap cap cap

and I don't disagree with you last statement. I wanted us to move from Dak, I think it would have been good for both parties. but didn't happen. the idiot GM dragged the contract literally to the last hour before first game. which freaking GM does that!@@?

and all you all hopefulls think we get cap space and we are going to go hog wild in FA...when did that ever happen with the Joneses? did it happen when Dak was on a 4th round rookie contract? why not?
I think this is fantasy in your head, perhaps you play fantasy football and think NFL and Jones work the same way.

its not about being in better cap position, as I have shown we are better than some of the top competitive teams in the league. its about the willingness of the GM/Owner to actually do something with the cap. the rest is nothing but fantasy.

this debate is done!
I'm not TRYING, to connect Dak to the CAP situation....its linked.
You have this belief that Jerry can build a team around Dak, I think he needs too much and with his 70M CAP (if you spread out the additional $40m deferment on the last deal) and because 2024 showed we're miles off.
 

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One thing the 49-ers have shown is the ability to walk away from a QB even if he took them to a SB. They did it with Kapernick, Garappolo and I believe they are going to do it with Purdy.
 

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One thing the 49-ers have shown is the ability to walk away from a QB even if he took them to a SB. They did it with Kapernick, Garappolo and I believe they are going to do it with Purdy.
Yep, as did the Eagles with Wentz. I'm all in favor of building the lines first and develop the QB around sound fundamentals and a supporting running game....others just see the need for the mythically rare Franchise QB. Fans just forget 2016.
 

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I'm not TRYING, to connect Dak to the CAP situation....its linked.
You have this belief that Jerry can build a team around Dak, I think he needs too much and with his 70M CAP (if you spread out the additional $40m deferment on the last deal) and because 2024 showed we're miles off.
every player contract is linked....not sure what the point of first statement is.

I don't believe Jerry can build a team. period. Dak, Romo, or any body else. heck. you put mahomes here and Jerry couldn't build a team aroudn him

and he can easily manipulate the cap. push money to future. JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN NFL. and sign FAs we need to make this team competitive.
He refuses. now, again, Dak's ability or inability is not the point of argument which you keep trying to go back to. he whole separate discussion.
but Cap and cap space is not an issue for Jerry to sign FAs that can help this team. end of story.

like I said, and you avoided. if Dak was making 5M, and we had an extra 55M on the cap. would he be able to build a team through FA? would that have help us have a championship team?
 

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Please do not ever compare Purdy to Romo. Purdy has shown poise under pressure in numerous big games and in the playoffs. Romo is a perennial choker with the second worst playoff record ever for a QB.
oh my! tell us how you really feel, Diamond

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every player contract is linked....not sure what the point of first statement is.

I don't believe Jerry can build a team. period. Dak, Romo, or any body else. heck. you put mahomes here and Jerry couldn't build a team aroudn him

and he can easily manipulate the cap. push money to future. JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN NFL. and sign FAs we need to make this team competitive.
He refuses. now, again, Dak's ability or inability is not the point of argument which you keep trying to go back to. he whole separate discussion.
but Cap and cap space is not an issue for Jerry to sign FAs that can help this team. end of story.

like I said, and you avoided. if Dak was making 5M, and we had an extra 55M on the cap. would he be able to build a team through FA? would that have help us have a championship team?
We all know Jerry can't build a team, so what now makes you think he can do it when he's just paid his decent (but non-difference maker 17% of the CAP).
Sorry @Johannes44 I never realised the differential between Goff and Dak.
Houston...the difference between building around both are: 1) All Goff really needs is a massive O:Line to overcome that weakness when under physical pressure, with Dak he needs everything (and we are years away, from where we are now).
2) Detroit are blowing it up in 2027, their whole Defense would need an overhaul and Goff removed.....BUT THEY PAID THEIR QB, WHEN HE WAS THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, WE ARE MILES OFF (as per 2023 GB game and 2024 even with Dak).
Again the biggest issue on Dak as I mentioned time and time again is that Dak pushed for that 4 year deal which has restricted what we can do early on ...ESPECIALLY NOW THAT HE'S NOT GETTING ANOTHER EXTENSION and we have to make matters worse by adding bad guaranteed money in 2027 and 2028....just to pay up that restructured money in Total in 2029....its just a matter of not throwing good money after bad.
 

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We all know Jerry can't build a team, so what now makes you think he can do it when he's just paid his decent (but non-difference maker 17% of the CAP).
Sorry @Johannes44 I never realised the differential between Goff and Dak.
Houston...the difference between building around both are: 1) All Goff really needs is a massive O:Line to overcome that weakness when under physical pressure, with Dak he needs everything (and we are years away, from where we are now).
2) Detroit are blowing it up in 2027, their whole Defense would need an overhaul and Goff removed.....BUT THEY PAID THEIR QB, WHEN HE WAS THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, WE ARE MILES OFF (as per 2023 GB game and 2024 even with Dak).
Again the biggest issue on Dak as I mentioned time and time again is that Dak pushed for that 4 year deal which has restricted what we can do early on ...ESPECIALLY NOW THAT HE'S NOT GETTING ANOTHER EXTENSION and we have to make matters worse by adding bad guaranteed money in 2027 and 2028....just to pay up that restructured money in Total in 2029....its just a matter of not throwing good money after bad.
you continue to want to make this a dak discussion.
but your first sentence says it all. Jerry can't build a team. everything else in the discussion is irrelevant.
 

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you continue to want to make this a dak discussion.
but your first sentence says it all. Jerry can't build a team. everything else in the discussion is irrelevant.
If so, why do you support this idea that we shouldn't carry over CAP, and restructure to 100m of CAP in 2025....its immaterial, and we aren't winning (BECAUSE OF JERRY's, INABILITIES). May as well see where we are in 2025, it's not about spending, it's evaluating where we are..... your whole argument appears to be spend to compete behind Dak, I'm saying, wait and see if he can even move, before we even contemplate creating/ spending / kicking down the road this 100m CAP, on a forlorn effort.
I'm not saying don't try and sign anyone, indeed what we need, at the top of FA, is a l LT, that's what will help the Offense in Dak's protection and running game.....but I'm certainly not throwing 100m just for the sake of being 'relevant'.
 

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If so, why do you support this idea that we shouldn't carry over CAP, and restructure to 100m of CAP in 2025....its immaterial, and we aren't winning (BECAUSE OF JERRY's, INABILITIES). May as well see where we are in 2025, it's not about spending, it's evaluating where we are..... your whole argument appears to be spend to compete behind Dak, I'm saying, wait and see if he can even move, before we even contemplate creating/ spending / kicking down the road this 100m CAP, on a forlorn effort.
I'm not saying don't try and sign anyone, indeed what we need, at the top of FA, is a l LT, that's what will help the Offense in Dak's protection and running game.....but I'm certainly not throwing 100m just for the sake of being 'relevant'.
I don't trust Jerry evaluating anything. do you?

Jerry doesn't make long term plans. adjust accordingly. fill gaps and move forward. he makes annual moves to fill the roster and maximize profits.
we cam close at 3-7 for the whole thing to explode, and force Jerry's hand (as happened when we had 3 5-11 seasons). but the late run, allowed Jerry to spin things and make him feel like he can continue down the same path for another year. 2026 be damned.

and I am not saying spend behind Dak. but fact is Dak is here for another 3 years. most fans want to just make sure the team sucks so they complain and be proven right about Dak.
My point is become better. that's the goal for every NFL team.

and every team kicks the can down the road. and they explode, have a couple of really bad years, and reload. Just see rams. even Philly.

I am not worried about 2027 or 2026. we have to do what it takes to get better. else why waste time at all?
 

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I don't trust Jerry evaluating anything. do you?

Jerry doesn't make long term plans. adjust accordingly. fill gaps and move forward. he makes annual moves to fill the roster and maximize profits.
we cam close at 3-7 for the whole thing to explode, and force Jerry's hand (as happened when we had 3 5-11 seasons). but the late run, allowed Jerry to spin things and make him feel like he can continue down the same path for another year. 2026 be damned.

and I am not saying spend behind Dak. but fact is Dak is here for another 3 years. most fans want to just make sure the team sucks so they complain and be proven right about Dak.
My point is become better. that's the goal for every NFL team.

and every team kicks the can down the road. and they explode, have a couple of really bad years, and reload. Just see rams. even Philly.

I am not worried about 2027 or 2026. we have to do what it takes to get better. else why waste time at all?
Well this fits nicely into the OP. The 9ers built their team and allowed Mr Irrelevant succeed (sounds very very similar to 2016).
2025 and we are in a poor position, you name it we have holes and (even I'm bored of saying), look at the 2023 roster (which was funded by kicking he CAP) and we still couldn't win a play-off game.
But it's yourself that continually mentions not spending our whole CAP in 2024 (though we aren't near the top of carryover CAP), and you've mentioned restructuring 100m...
BUT TO ACHIEVE WHAT? In my opinion Dak needs to prove that the injury and 2024 form were a blip and not a glimpse into the future. We can all say we need to improve, the trick is how.....me I say go for a top LT, move Guyton/Steele and pretty much stick.
 

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Does signing Dak to that ridiculous franchise gutting contract a part of Jerry's inability to build a team? If so then it is part of the discussion no?
resigning Dak was not a good idea. best would have been for both to part ways. I have said that many times.

but the contract is not franchise gutting. in fact cowboys are in better position than detroit and philly and GB and yet they chose not to do anything. it was a choice not inability of them being able to make moves
they have 23M on the cap. their choice was zeke over henry or barkley.
 

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Well this fits nicely into the OP. The 9ers built their team and allowed Mr Irrelevant succeed (sounds very very similar to 2016).
2025 and we are in a poor position, you name it we have holes and (even I'm bored of saying), look at the 2023 roster (which was funded by kicking he CAP) and we still couldn't win a play-off game.
But it's yourself that continually mentions not spending our whole CAP in 2024 (though we aren't near the top of carryover CAP), and you've mentioned restructuring 100m...
BUT TO ACHIEVE WHAT? In my opinion Dak needs to prove that the injury and 2024 form were a blip and not a glimpse into the future. We can all say we need to improve, the trick is how.....me I say go for a top LT, move Guyton/Steele and pretty much stick.
again and again and again....the cap is not the issue. personnel management is the issue. nobody is arguing about Jerry's personnel management. it sucks.

any other GM would be able to take this roster and make the right moves and make the team better.
but what you are saying is that Jerry is an imbecile GM, so why do anything because it won't make a difference in results because Jerry sucks...... that I am not arguing with at all. in fact it would be my choice.in fact I said it before the season that I am least interested in the cowboys in all the decades I have supported them, because I know its going to suck and end up with the same results or worse.

but no one can say, because of the cap we are handicapped and can't make moves we want to make...which is not true.
 

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again and again and again....the cap is not the issue. personnel management is the issue. nobody is arguing about Jerry's personnel management. it sucks.

any other GM would be able to take this roster and make the right moves and make the team better.
but what you are saying is that Jerry is an imbecile GM, so why do anything because it won't make a difference in results because Jerry sucks...... that I am not arguing with at all. in fact it would be my choice.in fact I said it before the season that I am least interested in the cowboys in all the decades I have supported them, because I know its going to suck and end up with the same results or worse.

but no one can say, because of the cap we are handicapped and can't make moves we want to make...which is not true.
Jerry as GM has control over the CAP, and his issues with 'personnel management' starts with his MO to continually overpay his 'elite' players (in part, due to his ineptitude in negotiating, as all agents are aware of Jerry's 'technique') ......who frequently dont play up to that contract.

Yes you can restructure, but he continually does that, that's the back bone of the three 12-5 seasons.....every team needs to reset and 2024 was our year. All im saying is that we didnt learn anything in 2024 that suggests we should restructure for restructure sake and spend CAP money on a team: with a QB that's coming off a poor 8 games and big injury, an O:line that has so many question marks, no effective running game, struggles to stop any run. AND NEEDS UPGRADING IN ALL ASPECTS.

You cant use Free Agency to solve every problem we have.....the Cap, is the issue, because Jerry wants to be relevant each year and he gives poor top end contracts to players that dont play up to the contract.
but the contract is not franchise gutting. in fact cowboys are in better position than detroit and philly and GB and yet they chose not to do anything. it was a choice not inability of them being able to make moves
But on the cyclical CAP aspect Detroit and Philly are in ALL-IN mode, which both will start struggling in 2027.....the one difference in Roseman is that he isnt afraid to trade away his 'elite' players, nor is he afraid to tank as a result. As said, we've had three 12-5 years, but that teams gone, in part to age: Tyron's gone, Zeke fallen off cliff, Tank good, but doesnt play up to contract.
 

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like I said, and you avoided. if Dak was making 5M, and we had an extra 55M on the cap. would he be able to build a team through FA? would that have help us have a championship team?
Well with that saving you could overcome some of Dak's weakness, however, the last three play-off loses indicated DIFFERENT ISSUES and require different remedies to put right and I dont think we could fix all of them with just $55m CAP (though the 2023 roster with 55m extra could of done it)

But now we'd need need:

Increased protection as I doubt he's going to manage (or encouraged, or confident enough to get out of the pocket).
RB
WR2,
TE, big bodied to offer pass block and a red zone presence
DT -3-TECH, 1-TECH, Edge, CB
All of that and he could still come up short when his composure goes (or he panic's and abandons the running game and overcompensates by trying to find receivers that his abilities cant find, or Safeties/DC's have worked him).

On his Rookie deal he was a danger with his legs an excellent bus driver, indeed Jerry knowing he'd sign Dak to a further extension was able to restructure Dak (40m) and OTHER contracts.....which facilitated the 12-5 years. The difference, now, is Dak, ISNT GETTING ANOTHER CONTRACT, so we either pay up in full in 2029, or we cut losses in 2026/27 and get out of $100m+ of Guaranteed Money....If he cant show in 2025 that he's able to regain form and get us close, its time to cut and start again (dont waste the CAP, FOR THE SAKE OF IT, ....TAKE THE HIT ala the Eagles and Detroit you frequently mention as the benchmark franchises).

they have 23M on the cap. their choice was zeke over henry or barkley.
Does Henry or Barkley make us better....YES.
Do they choose us over the run blocking O-lines in Balt and Phil.....NO.
Do they put over the hump.....NO.

Id argue that Jerry and his 'methods' and 'outlook' would be.... "ive just spent $90m per on the pass game, i'll get Zeke on the cheap and help in no.15 Elliott shirt sales". We could certainly overpay, but we werent competing, so Hen/Bar would be short term contracts on players that play a position that we should be looking for younger. WE ARE WAY OFF COMPETING, and a RB doesnt better the 2023 roster.
 

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This makes almost no sense. Purdy is an excellent quarterback, and he is 25 years old.

How many QBs have had a better start to their career by the time they are 25?
 

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Well with that saving you could overcome some of Dak's weakness, however, the last three play-off loses indicated DIFFERENT ISSUES and require different remedies to put right and I dont think we could fix all of them with just $55m CAP (though the 2023 roster with 55m extra could of done it)

But now we'd need need:

Increased protection as I doubt he's going to manage (or encouraged, or confident enough to get out of the pocket).
RB
WR2,
TE, big bodied to offer pass block and a red zone presence
DT -3-TECH, 1-TECH, Edge, CB
All of that and he could still come up short when his composure goes (or he panic's and abandons the running game and overcompensates by trying to find receivers that his abilities cant find, or Safeties/DC's have worked him).

On his Rookie deal he was a danger with his legs an excellent bus driver, indeed Jerry knowing he'd sign Dak to a further extension was able to restructure Dak (40m) and OTHER contracts.....which facilitated the 12-5 years. The difference, now, is Dak, ISNT GETTING ANOTHER CONTRACT, so we either pay up in full in 2029, or we cut losses in 2026/27 and get out of $100m+ of Guaranteed Money....If he cant show in 2025 that he's able to regain form and get us close, its time to cut and start again (dont waste the CAP, FOR THE SAKE OF IT, ....TAKE THE HIT ala the Eagles and Detroit you frequently mention as the benchmark franchises).


Does Henry or Barkley make us better....YES.
Do they choose us over the run blocking O-lines in Balt and Phil.....NO.
Do they put over the hump.....NO.

Id argue that Jerry and his 'methods' and 'outlook' would be.... "ive just spent $90m per on the pass game, i'll get Zeke on the cheap and help in no.15 Elliott shirt sales". We could certainly overpay, but we werent competing, so Hen/Bar would be short term contracts on players that play a position that we should be looking for younger. WE ARE WAY OFF COMPETING, and a RB doesnt better the 2023 roster.
sorry Wales, but this is almost hilarious. you want to replace an entire team. almost (eexcept WR1).....essentially saying this team isn't good enough to compete, both on offense and defense, yet, its Dak that's at fault.not defending Dak, but that's what you said above and then 55M isn't enough. how are you going to find all of those players to improve this team in FA!!!!, which brings us back to signing garbage FAs to fill positions because there is so many. this all boils down to one person and that's jerry jones.

and we have no idea if Henry wouldn't choose us, because at the end of the day, they are not spending their time on Fanzone and listening to the anti-Dak crowd. despite all the rhetoric on this site, the NFL players know different and think different. Henry was from texas and wanted to stay close to home, but we didn't even make an attempt, because we weren't willing to pay his price.

and I don't think Jerry thinks we spend 90M in pass game. he has a cap to spend, he has cap floor to have to meet. just like any other team.

btw, Jerry didn't even print #15 Zeke jersey's. he kept selling the #21. I think he had a bunch of extra inventory he wanted to get rid of, so brought zeke and tried to push those merchendise.

this team has so many issues beyond Dak and his play. the culture is bad. the make up of the team is bad. the GM plays fantasy football. the coaches are a joke and get run over by Jerry daily. this team will not win with Mahomes at the helm. Jerry would find a way to screw it up.
 

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Jerry as GM has control over the CAP, and his issues with 'personnel management' starts with his MO to continually overpay his 'elite' players (in part, due to his ineptitude in negotiating, as all agents are aware of Jerry's 'technique') ......who frequently dont play up to that contract.

Yes you can restructure, but he continually does that, that's the back bone of the three 12-5 seasons.....every team needs to reset and 2024 was our year. All im saying is that we didnt learn anything in 2024 that suggests we should restructure for restructure sake and spend CAP money on a team: with a QB that's coming off a poor 8 games and big injury, an O:line that has so many question marks, no effective running game, struggles to stop any run. AND NEEDS UPGRADING IN ALL ASPECTS.

You cant use Free Agency to solve every problem we have.....the Cap, is the issue, because Jerry wants to be relevant each year and he gives poor top end contracts to players that dont play up to the contract.

But on the cyclical CAP aspect Detroit and Philly are in ALL-IN mode, which both will start struggling in 2027.....the one difference in Roseman is that he isnt afraid to trade away his 'elite' players, nor is he afraid to tank as a result. As said, we've had three 12-5 years, but that teams gone, in part to age: Tyron's gone, Zeke fallen off cliff, Tank good, but doesnt play up to contract.
I don't think we overpay any differently than other teams.

Dak got 60M, which was IMHO slightly above the market rate as salaries hit 55M, and were only going to go up. perhaps he could have done it with 57, but the idiot waited until the last hour, literally to sign the contract. milking the media attention as long as he could. literally. compare that to the eagles with hurts getting 51M, but he signed in early 2023.
brown is making 32M a year, compared to CD who is making 34, but same, brown signed a year earlier.
cooks was making 19.5 M compared to Smith who is at 25M
diggs is making 19.5 compared to eagles slay that's making 14M.
but they also paid their LT, G, and RT, at 22,21,20 respectively.

same with detroit, Goff making 53M, and brown making 30M, their RT at 28, DT at 24. and LT at 20.

so every team is top heavy. every single team has some stars, who are at the top of the market. then there is the rest, you get a whole bunch of players at 7-11M range. which comprise the core of the team around the stars and then there is rookies and JAGs.

the problem is that our core players (7-11M range) have under performed. the combination of the players just doesn't add up as they are not a well put together team as a coach would have liked to do.

and you can restructure, only for so many years. every team has a window. and you do what needs to be done in that window to win it, then you take a big hit for a couple of years, and rebuild again. just see Rams.

Jerry just didn't do what needs to be done for the 12-5 team to take next step. lets call it a reset, so 25 should be a bounce back year, but I doubt if we will. one he will skim on coaching. I mean he literally said, he wants to give a coach an incentive laden contract. you think Ben Johnson would do that? lets say Bilicheck was in the market and he is still good, would billicheck agree to an incentive laden contract? MM was 16th in salary in NFL coaches. Jerry talks about coaches dead money!!!! seriously!!! that's not a GM focused on winning.

and I agree, FA is not the solution. people tend to think we just go sign FAs left and right if we had 50M on the cap. but FA are either older, injured, at the end of their career, and the ones worth it, almost always get resigned by their own team and a few good ones make it to the market and they are over priced.....you can use FA to fill a gap here and there that you missed in the draft, like DT.

and yes, philly and Detroit have to pay the piper, but in the meantime, they are competitive. I think the window is usually 4-5 years for teams that don't have a mahomes or burrows.
 
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