Twitter: Colin: Gap between Dak and Dalton is not massive

[cern]

I wouldn't compare wins and losses -- I agree that we lost those games because of other players. But again, one could argue Dak put up the numbers he did because we were so terribly behind. Yes, he still had to do it, but had we been wining those games he never would have put up those yards.

won't argue that. i like smash mouth football. qb gets 20-25 passes. somewhere in the range of 250 yards. running game controls time of possession and moves the chains. romo's best year was when murray was running teams in the ground. dak did best when zeke was killing defenses. when a qb has to throw 40+ times a game, something is very wrong.

 

[pansophy]

so down grading the QB play,the offense as a result and then try to compensate with two average defensive players...is that the plan?

btw, Dalton is more 20-25 or even 25-30 range...he is defintley not a 10-15 range...no way.

and we have invested in defense. in fact we have invested a lot...but we just made bad investment after bad investment. we have only had one impactful defensive player in 15 years of drafting defense (assuming Lawrence is that impactful player)....we have had lots of bad FA signings like Poe, Worley, McCoy, Griffin, Hardy, Quinn (in essence giving up a 6th), Woods, etc. etc. etc......

the problem is evaluating defensive players draft and FA and signing the right ones..not sure why, but we have to fix that before we see a change in defense....

since 2015,
we have drafted 24 defensive players....the one everyone is so high on is Diggs and that's because of potential given his play this year has been not that good......yes he is a rookie. I get it.....but he is not impactful. so we have had no impactful players.... some could be considered good, but not impactful like Auwzie, LVE
we have drafted 18 offensive players, CD, Zeke, Dak, Schultz, Gallup, Pollard, Biadasz, Wilson, Cooper (since we gave up a first for him).....some are great, some have really high potential, all these good....

why is it that we can't pick defensive players?

Why are we giving up so many rushing yards? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/defensive-tackle/

If we have to pay Dak $3M more than Dalton, sure then I would go with Dak. But if I have to pay Dak $10-15M more than Dalton then I would think very hard about that.

 

[America's Cowboy]

lol, what school? Or was that in Madden?

Me? I was in the band, tuba player.

Band player? I thought so due to some of your remarks. I mean no disrespect whatsoever. It's just that there are things about the game that football athletes understand that others who didn't play the sport don't understand. It's all good. Thanks for being honest and sharing.

By the way, were you a pretty good tuba player? I ask since I come from a family of musicians and used to own my own independent film and music production company.

 

[morat1959]

He drools over the magnificence of Carson Wentz.

He has zero credibility.

And you drool over Dak so where does that leave you.

 

[Typhus]

Zach Martin is paid as an elite O-Lineman, and we still lose games. If you are saying every player on the team has to take the blame for losses individually, then Zach isn't worth his money. In fact, by that standard there isn't a single player that is worth his money this year since it is a losing season.

That's not reality though. Every player does not individually take the credit for wins, or the blame for losses. The team as a whole takes the credit and blame.

That's not to say there isn't an individual element, but that doesn't mean every player individually gets credit for a win and blame for a loss. If that were the case then every player would be worthwhile when the team wins, and every player would not be worthwhile when the team loses. Again, that's not reality. Every team has to decide where the strengths and weaknesses are, and try to maintain the strengths, and do something different where they see weaknesses.

As for Dak asking for elite money, that only applies if you thought Wentz, Goff and Cousins were elite. He was looking for something a little more than Cousins, and about the same neighborhood as Goff and Wentz.

What some refuse to recognize is that the reason other guys that may be better were behind that level is because of timing. For example, Rodgers was very slightly behind that level because his contract was a few years older, and Mahomes was behind that level because he was on his rookie contract. In a few years the contracts Goff and Wentz got will likely be very mundane. That's how it works.

No way I can agree with anything when you say Martin isnt worth every penny,, you are not at every practice every team meeting.
You as well as the rest of us do not know ZM well enough to be in that mans head, and know if you want to backup the brinks truck .
Just a guess, from one uninformed fan to another,, based on our outliers,, hell ya I pay that man,
Fans opinion...

 

[Gameover]

That's because they are not the same kind of player, one tries his best, the other wins.

You referring to Dak and Dalton?

I SMH @ the ignorance of people

Ive always said that politics brings out the inner ignorance in people .. I may have to start viewing Dak Prescott similarly

 

[OmerV]

No way I can agree with anything when you say Martin isnt worth every penny,, you are not at every practice every team meeting.
You as well as the rest of us do not know ZM well enough to be in that mans head, and know if you want to backup the brinks truck .
Just a guess, from one uninformed fan to another,, based on our outliers,, hell ya I pay that man,
Fans opinion...

You missed the context. Read my post again.

I was saying that by the standard the poster I responded to was using Martin wouldn't be worth it. I was using the example of Martin to show him the flaw in his standard.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’ve been consistent all through out.

I’ve always said I like Dak better.

Where I was wrong, and Colin disagrees with me, is that I thought Andy would be a little better passer than Dak and Dak has him beat there too.


Regardless.. They get similar results.. I took a lot of heat for that statement after the Cardinals games.. Well after it’s all played out Dak & Dalton have gotten about the same results as one another because they both go as the team goes.

they don't get similar results....how are they getting similar results?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If you do happen to know "at least a few things" my advice would be to go ahead and share those instead of whatever this crap is you're sharing here.

right back at you son....just turn around, open you eyes...boom there you are in the mirror

 

[5Stars]

Band player? I thought so due to some of your remarks. I mean no disrespect whatsoever. It's just that there are things about the game that football athletes understand that others who didn't play the sport don't understand. It's all good. Thanks for being honest and sharing.

By the way, were you a pretty good tuba player? I ask since I come from a family of musicians and used to own my own independent film and music production company.

Yeah, I'm sure of that! Please, will you teach me how to play football? How about teaching me how to play music, or better, can you get me a role in a film? Dude, I can tell by the way you respond to posters that don't have your love affair with Dak that you might not even be out of High School.

Stop lying! Hater! Tell the truth!

 

[Typhus]

You missed the context. Read my post again.

I was saying that by the standard the poster I responded to was using Martin wouldn't be worth it. I was using the example of Martin to show him the flaw in his standard.

thank you for the clarity.

 

[5Stars]

You referring to Dak and Dalton?

I SMH @ the ignorance of people

Ive always said that politics brings out the inner ignorance in people .. I may have to start viewing Dak Prescott similarly

Are you drunk? I have no friggen idea what this means. I sure hope you do. lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Why are we giving up so many rushing yards? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/defensive-tackle/

If we have to pay Dak $3M more than Dalton, sure then I would go with Dak. But if I have to pay Dak $10-15M more than Dalton then I would think very hard about that.

oh wow, we giving up huge rushing yards because the defense sucks...well, I would have never guessed that.

so why is defense so bad? is it because Dak had a 32M price tag? can you please let me know who we could have signed and was available that would have made a difference on the DL?

you found the right problem. I give you that....but you are trying to solve it the wrong way....

so again, who could we have signed that we "couldn't" and didn't because of Dak's 32M price tag......

also are you suggesting we have cap money and build a defense through FA?

 

[DallasEast]

If anyone thinks Dak is worth 20 million more a year has to seriously check his team loyalties....

Well, some observers have been saying for decades Jerry Jones' main motivations have been dictated by greed and senility instead of dedication for his own franchise. So, it will be far from the first time Jones' loyalty will have been questioned if-and-when he may begin paying Dak Prescott $20 million more per year.

 

[khiladi]

Dak has played all his games with Zach Martin playing from start to finish, so saying it’s the same starting linemen on this fact alone is completely wrong. Zach hasn’t played even close to a full game with Dalton in the line-up, when he has played. Zach Martin is, bar none, the best player on this team.

Further, Dak still has 10 plus more play action attempts than Dalton does, despite playing only five less games, so saying this is the same offense is completely wrong. In fact, Dak in terms of attempts in play action and yardage, has guys playing 9 games and 12 games respectively or vice versa, can’t remember off the top of my head, above him. The play action that Moore is employing for Andy is a lot less, and this in large part has to do with way worse blocking and Andy getting the ball out early.

Andy Dalton has a MUCH BETTER TD to INT ratio in the red-zone in less completions and better completion percentage, with worse blocking, than Dak. Andy has 10 TDs to 2 INTs, while Dak has 3 TDs and 1 INT.

Dak is also way more efficient in the fourth quarter when the game is in the fourth quarter within seven.

Last sentence should read Andy is also way more efficient when the game is in the fourth quarter within seven. Dak has been straight up mediocre for years.

Him being a play-maker and clutch is basically nothing but an image based off year 1, when all he was doing
driving the bus, while Zeke and the RG wore down the defense.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Well, some observers have been saying for decades Jerry Jones' main motivations have been dictated by greed and senility instead of dedication for his own franchise. So, it will be far from the first time Jones' loyalty will have been questioned if-and-when he may begin paying Dak Prescott $20 million more per year.

Yes, Jerry is Jerry but our hopes lay with Stephen and the fact that even though Jerry gave Dak the best players around him he produced very little.
The Spring will bring the Cowboy Revelation!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yeah, I'm sure of that! Please, will you teach me how to play football? How about teaching me how to play music, or better, can you get me a role in a film? Dude, I can tell by the way you respond to posters that don't have your love affair with Dak that you might not even be out of High School.

Stop lying! Hater! Tell the truth!

Hahaha!!!! I bet you weren't even in band. Probably underneath the bleachers trying to find any kind of attention! LMAO!!!! LOSER!!!!

 

[khiladi]

And BTW, word on the street is the Patriots were actually interested in Andy Dalton.



https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-east/ne...eams-are-reportedly-interested-in-andy-dalton

 

[DallasEast]

Yes, Jerry is Jerry but our hopes lay with Stephen and the fact that even though Jerry gave Dak the best players around him he produced very little.
The Spring will bring the Cowboy Revelation!

If all hope is being entrusted with DNA Kid #1, good luck.

 

[OmerV]

Yes, Jerry is Jerry but our hopes lay with Stephen and the fact that even though Jerry gave Dak the best players around him he produced very little.
The Spring will bring the Cowboy Revelation!

Yeah, Dak only produced 32 points per game with an O-Line manned mostly by backups ,,,