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Zordon said:
is this one of the worst drafts in recent memory? oline, linebackers, secondary seem below average. dline has some depth but not many stars. receivers and qbs are top heavy.
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Oline isn't bad but there really aren't any LT in this draft. As far as Gs it is a terrific one with Collins and Scherff, Tomlinson etc all these guys are going to be starters. WR is outstanding, RBs are very good depth wise not a lot of guys outside of 3-4 of them are starter quality.

Dline is terrific for DT and DE is not bad. True there are not 4 or 5 guys on the inside and then the outside that are mind blowing but they will be a very good group.

I think this is closer to average draft than a bad one. but yes TE is extremely weak, QB very very weak, Safety weak. Linebackers non 3-4 mediocre, is not a special or outstanding draft.
 
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Zordon said:
is this one of the worst drafts in recent memory? oline, linebackers, secondary seem below average. dline has some depth but not many stars. receivers and qbs are top heavy.
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I don't think so. The DB times are sub par but there are some good players there that simply aren't as fast as you'd hope. The trend with DB's seems to be going to the longer guys who simply won't time as well. A good 5'10" corner will simply be faster than a good 6'0" one, but on the field, the same height that slowed them at the combine becomes a functional advantage when trying to defend the pass. That is just a hunch of mine.

The DE's are way above a normal year. Several will be first round picks.

There does seem to be a shortage of 43 OLB's this year and Dawson laying an egg yesterday only made it worse. I don't like Shaq Thompson as much as many do either. There are some ok guys but it is pretty devoid of top end talent at this position.

Corner isn't bad although there have been years where they timed a lot better in Indy. I do like Waynes a lot and I think he would be a good one in any draft with his speed and length. Collins might turn out to be a nice corner too. My pet cat is Kevin Johnson, although he will not go real early. Johnson along with a few others are in the second tier/ second day group that has some nice players in it.

For the safeties, this is definitely not a good year, although most years don't have very many good ones. Collins is a nice player but that is about it as far as drafting early in my opinion. And Collins isn't going to be the good, deep safety that teams need so much these days.

As for offense... the RB's are very nice this year. I really like several of them and I think both Gruley and Gordon could be special.

OL doesn't have as many top 15 picks as a lot of years but there are some really good players that are just a shade below the elite tier.

WR's are good this year. Really good.

TE is bad and QB is pretty shallow as well. Depending on what you think about Winston and Mariota, it could be a really bad year there.
 
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So Waynes is pretty much a lock to occupy one of he 1st 26 picks....maybe top 15 or so.
 
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Risen Star said:
Trae Waynes improves to 4.32
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They just made it 4.31 officially. As I said yesterday, I saw every game he played in college and 6 were in person. Kid is unreal. Too bad he will be gone between 10-15 because we could really use him.
 

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Zordon said:
is this one of the worst drafts in recent memory? oline, linebackers, secondary seem below average. dline has some depth but not many stars. receivers and qbs are top heavy.
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I wouldn't go that far. This is a incredibly deep draft for corners, wr's and dlineman, maybe not in high end talent but you'll see quite a few good players go in the mid rounds. If the the two QB's turn out to be players, I think it will be considered a pretty good draft looking back.
 
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just curious how does a broad jump translate for a corner on the field?
 
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Zordon said:
just curious how does a broad jump translate for a corner on the field?
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Explosiveness in breaking on the ball. If a WR is running an out route, or a comeback, it would translate in the corner's ability to plant and drive. Broad jump shows explosiveness with no momentum aiding the jump.
 
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manster4ever said:
They just made it 4.31 officially. As I said yesterday, I saw every game he played in college and 6 were in person. Kid is unreal. Too bad he will be gone between 10-15 because we could really use him.
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...I should add that he benched 19 reps. For a guy who is 6' and 186 lbs thats awesome
 
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I like Steven Nelson, Rollins was slower that I thought.
 
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I don't think so. The DB times are sub par but there are some good players there that simply aren't as fast as you'd hope. The trend with DB's seems to be going to the longer guys who simply won't time as well. A good 5'10" corner will simply be faster than a good 6'0" one, but on the field, the same height that slowed them at the combine becomes a functional advantage when trying to defend the pass. That is just a hunch of mine.

The DE's are way above a normal year. Several will be first round picks.

There does seem to be a shortage of 43 OLB's this year and Dawson laying an egg yesterday only made it worse. I don't like Shaq Thompson as much as many do either. There are some ok guys but it is pretty devoid of top end talent at this position.

Corner isn't bad although there have been years where they timed a lot better in Indy. I do like Waynes a lot and I think he would be a good one in any draft with his speed and length. Collins might turn out to be a nice corner too. My pet cat is Kevin Johnson, although he will not go real early. Johnson along with a few others are in the second tier/ second day group that has some nice players in it.

For the safeties, this is definitely not a good year, although most years don't have very many good ones. Collins is a nice player but that is about it as far as drafting early in my opinion. And Collins isn't going to be the good, deep safety that teams need so much these days.

As for offense... the RB's are very nice this year. I really like several of them and I think both Gruley and Gordon could be special.

OL doesn't have as many top 15 picks as a lot of years but there are some really good players that are just a shade below the elite tier.

WR's are good this year. Really good.

TE is bad and QB is pretty shallow as well. Depending on what you think about Winston and Mariota, it could be a really bad year there.
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40 Yard (Official)   10 Yard   Height   Weight   Name
4.31  1.53  6001  186  Waynes,  Trae
4.36  1.54  6005  191  Cox,  Justin
4.38  1.47  5105  193  Darby,  Ronald
4.44  1.53  5097  180  Gaines,  Charles
4.44  1.55  5102  200  Grant,  Doran
4.44  1.64  5114  201  Mager,  Craig
4.44  1.54  6004  201  Shaw,  Josh
4.45  1.57  6006  205  Rowe,  Eric
4.45  1.60  5100  187  Smith,  D'Joun
4.46  1.60  5085  176  Golson,  Senquez
4.46  1.56  5107  196  Randall,  Damarious
4.48  1.50  6014  203  Collins,  Jalen
4.49  1.60  5101  197  Nelson,  Steven
4.50  1.58  5103  182  Doss,  Lorenzo
4.50  1.60  6000  189  Swann,  Damian
4.51  1.63  6001  196  Carter,  Alex
4.51  1.60  5094  195  McCain,  Bobby
4.52  1.62  6002  188  Johnson,  Kevin
4.53  1.56  5110  185  Coleman,  Justin
4.53  1.68  6000  228  Collins,  Landon
4.53  1.61  5115  197  Peters,  Marcus
4.53  1.63  6013  221  Tartt,  Jaquiski
4.55  1.53  6015  218  Geathers,  Clayton
4.55  1.61  5104  182  Hill,  Troy
4.56  1.50  6004  218  Amos,  Adrian
4.56  1.65  5091  196  Diggs,  Quandre
4.56  1.60  6021  209  Sample,  James
4.57  1.59  5097  200  Jarrett,  Kyshoen
4.57  1.61  5111  195  Rollins,  Quinten
4.57  1.56  6000  194  Williams,  P.J.
4.58  1.62  6014  203  Marlowe,  Dean
4.58  1.66  6020  205  Wilson,  Julian
4.59  1.64  5110  197  Whitehead,  Jermaine
4.60  1.64  6020  208  Prewitt,  Cody
4.60  1.62  6001  195  Smith,  Tye
4.61  1.58  5116  191  Peters,  Garry
4.62  1.64  5107  194  Celiscar,  D.C.
4.63  1.50  6027  208  Eskridge,  Durell
4.63  1.61  5113  195  McDonald,  Tevin
4.63  1.56  5091  183  White,  Kevin
4.64  1.56  6000  179  Glenn,  Jacoby
4.65  1.73  6005  208  Drummond,  Kurtis
4.65  1.63  5106  211  Richards,  Jordan
4.69  1.66  6014  202  Gunter,  Ladarius
4.72  1.65  6007  198  Jefferson,  A.J.
4.81  1.71  6002  195  Hackett,  Chris
 
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Risen Star said:
Damarious Randle 4.47
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At Mesa CC, we played him at CB (and eventually PR, KR, and WR). I was surprised Coach Graham moved him to safety but he played well there as well. I call him Prime Time because he looked like a man amongst boys at the JuCo level (plus he didn't really like to tackle). Really proud of him and will root for whatever team he goes to (please don't be the Commanders).
 
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