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Don't get me wrong, I do find it sad. I'm just saying that the franchise can re-cast the role and go on without a problem. It's not like trying to re-cast T'Challa.
Personally, I see them re-booting the whole thing now after this long interval--and I admit judging my opinion as silly at the same time. The Star Trek franchise, as a whole, has established it will keep bringing the same actors back over and over for decades. I think back to Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country and the tragic scene of Dr. McCoy valiantly trying to save the Klingon chancellor's life. Deforest Kelley looked as if he might suffer a real-life heart attack trying to revive this actor faking death! At some point, the cast's time should have been up but it was the studio's opportunity of moving on from them to The Next Generation cast that actually ended their run.

Pegg. Chris Pine. Zoe Saldana. Karl Urban. Zachary Quinto. John Cho. All of the core cast are young enough to move on either without Yelchin or have his role re-cast. Perhaps some or all of them may not care when the end of their Star Trek run might end. I am certain their compensation is well worth redonning Starfleet uniforms every couple of years or so.

Even so, I would think one or more of them might want to end their association. Collectively, today's actors are not like the original set of actors, whose careers were, respectfully, neither as famous or as well-paid. The current cast started out in 2009. Saldana, for example, was wanting to move on from playing Gamora in the MCU before Avengers: Endgame was released. The time between Endgame and the first Guardians movie was only five years. Her Star Trek commitment is holding in limbo after 15 years.

I do not know. To me, the longer nothing happens, the more likely nothing new will happen either.
 

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Personally, I see them re-booting the whole thing now after this long interval--and I admit judging my opinion as silly at the same time. The Star Trek franchise, as a whole, has established it will keep bringing the same actors back over and over for decades. I think back to Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country and the tragic scene of Dr. McCoy valiantly trying to save the Klingon chancellor's life. Deforest Kelley looked as if he might suffer a real-life heart attack trying to revive this actor faking death! At some point, the cast's time should have been up but it was the studio's opportunity of moving on from them to The Next Generation cast that actually ended their run.

Pegg. Chris Pine. Zoe Saldana. Karl Urban. Zachary Quinto. John Cho. All of the core cast are young enough to move on either without Yelchin or have his role re-cast. Perhaps some or all of them may not care when the end of their Star Trek run might end. I am certain their compensation is well worth redonning Starfleet uniforms every couple of years or so.

Even so, I would think one or more of them might want to end their association. Collectively, today's actors are not like the original set of actors, whose careers were, respectfully, neither as famous or as well-paid. The current cast started out in 2009. Saldana, for example, was wanting to move on from playing Gamora in the MCU before Avengers: Endgame was released. The time between Endgame and the first Guardians movie was only five years. Her Star Trek commitment is holding in limbo after 15 years.

I do not know. To me, the longer nothing happens, the more likely nothing new will happen either.
I think that, if anyone was to pull out, it would be Urban and Saldana, since they both have so many other options. Pine and Quinto have pretty much become known as their characters, IMO. Cho has options, but not much in drama, I don't think.

I think either they've wrapped this incarnation up, or will after the next movie, if there is one, then they should concentrate on Strange New Worlds, whether it be the series or a motion picture.
 

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I think that, if anyone was to pull out, it would be Urban and Saldana, since they both have so many other options. Pine and Quinto have pretty much become known as their characters, IMO. Cho has options, but not much in drama, I don't think.

I think either they've wrapped this incarnation up, or will after the next movie, if there is one, then they should concentrate on Strange New Worlds, whether it be the series or a motion picture.
Bold> I... think the possibility of that happening is close to zero. Unlike Pine's Star Trek, SNW is based within the primary franchise that began with TOS. One episode, in particular, has already confirmed the series follows Christopher Pike's Starfleet career. Not exactly as originally told in TOS but pretty darn close.;):)
 

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Simon Pegg Is Still Game To Do Star Trek 4, But He Explained Why The Sequel Is ‘Forever Tainted’

By Adam Holmes | Cinema Blend
July 23, 2024


If you have a Paramount+ subscription, then the TV gates of Star Trek have been opened back up to you since 2017, with shows like Discovery, Picard, Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks and Prodigy (which is now on Netflix) breathing new life into this corner of the franchise. Film-wise though, it’s been eight years since the release of Star Trek Beyond, and development remains stalled on Star Trek 4. Although Simon Pegg, who plays the Kelvin Timeline’s Scotty, is still game to return for this Star Trek sequel, he did acknowledge that it will be “forever tainted” for a specific, yet understandable reason.

On June 19, 2016, a month before the wide release of Star Trek Beyond, Anton Yelchin, who played Pavel Chekov in these movies, tragically died at the age of 27... Read more
Last I saw Simon Pegg was an old man on The Boys, although Karl Urban (McCoy) on the same show has aged better. And Chris Pine (Kirk) with his grey beard the last few movies has aged quickly. Seems like just yesterday those Star Trek reboots came out with everyone as young cadets, but I think the reboot cast is already too old. It was fun while it lasted.
 

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Last I saw Simon Pegg was an old man on The Boys, although Karl Urban (McCoy) on the same show has aged better. And Chris Pine (Kirk) with his grey beard the last few movies has aged quickly. Seems like just yesterday those Star Trek reboots came out with everyone as young cadets, but I think the reboot cast is already too old. It was fun while it lasted.
That first reboot was 15 years ago already! Time flies!
 

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Just How Historic Will Deadpool & Wolverine’s Opening Weekend Be?​


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Robert Downey Jr. returning to MCU as Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday

By Christian Holub | Entertainment Weekly
July 27, 2024

One character has been noticeably absent from the Fantastic Four teases so far: their longtime nemesis, Doctor Doom. But at Marvel's traditional Hall H panel at Comic-Con 2024 on Saturday, sibling directors Joe and Anthony Russo announced that the iconic supervillain is indeed coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe — and he's going to be played by the franchise's most beloved actor.

That's right, newly minted Oscar winner Robert Downey Jr. is returning to Marvel, but not as Iron Man/Tony Stark. This time, he'll be playing Doom — first in the upcoming Avengers: Doomsday and then in Avengers: Secret Wars. Doom is integral to the Secret Wars comic and promises to serve a similar role on the big screen... Read more
 

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Robert Downey Jr. returning to MCU as Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday

By Christian Holub | Entertainment Weekly
July 27, 2024

One character has been noticeably absent from the Fantastic Four teases so far: their longtime nemesis, Doctor Doom. But at Marvel's traditional Hall H panel at Comic-Con 2024 on Saturday, sibling directors Joe and Anthony Russo announced that the iconic supervillain is indeed coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe — and he's going to be played by the franchise's most beloved actor.

That's right, newly minted Oscar winner Robert Downey Jr. is returning to Marvel, but not as Iron Man/Tony Stark. This time, he'll be playing Doom — first in the upcoming Avengers: Doomsday and then in Avengers: Secret Wars. Doom is integral to the Secret Wars comic and promises to serve a similar role on the big screen... Read more
This is amazing news! I’m so excited for Marvel’s next phase and the course correction.
 

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This is amazing news! I’m so excited for Marvel’s next phase and the course correction.
The comic book nerd in me wonders how Marvel will present Victor Von Doom though. When I was a full-time collector, the character's face used to be scarred and damaged so much that Victor's vanity hid it behind that mask.

I wonder if his looks changed from the late 1990's forward after I stopped buying comics full-time? Did his using a mask change to him simply wanting to look intimidating to his peers and enemies? I remember in the 2000's Fantastic Four films, Julian McMahon was allowed to show off his face for the most part until their plots forced his vanity to hid behind it..

Is this aspect of the character still true? And will Marvel stick to it? I ask myself these questions because none of these actors--Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther, Tom Holland as Spider-Man, etc.--remained masked while they are IN their superhero personas! It was REALLY bad with Pierce Brosnan as Doctor Fate over in the DCEU in Black Adam but I digress.

Downey loved flipping up his face shield while wearing his Iron Man armor. Will that trend continue with his Doom armor? Questions. Questions...
 

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The comic book nerd in me wonders how Marvel will present Victor Von Doom though. When I was a full-time collector, the character's face used to be scarred and damaged so much that Victor's vanity hid it behind that mask.

I wonder if his looks changed from the late 1990's forward after I stopped buying comics full-time? Did his using a mask change to him simply wanting to look intimidating to his peers and enemies? I remember in the 2000's Fantastic Four films, Julian McMahon was allowed to show off his face for the most part until their plots forced his vanity to hid behind it..

Is this aspect of the character still true? And will Marvel stick to it? I ask myself these questions because none of these actors--Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther, Tom Holland as Spider-Man, etc.--remained masked while they are IN their superhero personas! It was REALLY bad with Pierce Brosnan as Doctor Fate over in the DCEU in Black Adam but I digress.

Downey loved flipping up his face shield while wearing his Iron Man armor. Will that trend continue with his Doom armor? Questions. Questions...
I definitely think the MCU version of Doom will show his face much more than the comics version. You don’t hire an actor as good as RDJ only to completely hide him behind a mask.
 

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The comic book nerd in me wonders how Marvel will present Victor Von Doom though. When I was a full-time collector, the character's face used to be scarred and damaged so much that Victor's vanity hid it behind that mask.

I wonder if his looks changed from the late 1990's forward after I stopped buying comics full-time? Did his using a mask change to him simply wanting to look intimidating to his peers and enemies? I remember in the 2000's Fantastic Four films, Julian McMahon was allowed to show off his face for the most part until their plots forced his vanity to hid behind it..

Is this aspect of the character still true? And will Marvel stick to it? I ask myself these questions because none of these actors--Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther, Tom Holland as Spider-Man, etc.--remained masked while they are IN their superhero personas! It was REALLY bad with Pierce Brosnan as Doctor Fate over in the DCEU in Black Adam but I digress.

Downey loved flipping up his face shield while wearing his Iron Man armor. Will that trend continue with his Doom armor? Questions. Questions...
I’m seeing rather wild theories online saying this is an alternate universe Doom; where Tony Stark becomes Dr Doom
 

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I’m seeing rather wild theories online saying this is an alternate universe Doom; where Tony Stark becomes Dr Doom
It is likely some comic book geeks have been talking about the possibility since Avengers: Endgame -

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That idea was explored in 2010.

I have said it many times. One thing is true about comic book adaptations. There is a TON of past source material for these studios to pull from, especially due to the multiverse concept. It is literally a treasure trove of combinations only limited by the imagination.

The real question is studio commitment in translating anything in its highest quality. Downey has proven he can deliver a character to the big screen. I have no doubt he can act the part extremely well.

Will the direction be good enough? Will the script be good enough? Will the special effects match DOOM? Etc. That is where the problem might occur in the MCU, not with the acting in my opinion.
 

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This is amazing news! I’m so excited for Marvel’s next phase and the course correction.
I don't see it as a course correction. Seems more like a lazy way of moving forward. Instead of developing what is a strong character with a new actor that can be around for a while, they recirculate an already popular actor in a new role. Sure, the comics have done something similar, but it wasn't a greatly popular run. I've always believed that some comic book stories aren't meant for the big screen. This is one of them. Dr Doom is a good character and deserves his own unique actor, build up, and introduction to the MCU. This is pandering and I really enjoy RDJ.
 

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I don't see it as a course correction. Seems more like a lazy way of moving forward. Instead of developing what is a strong character with a new actor that can be around for a while, they recirculate an already popular actor in a new role. Sure, the comics have done something similar, but it wasn't a greatly popular run. I've always believed that some comic book stories aren't meant for the big screen. This is one of them. Dr Doom is a good character and deserves his own unique actor, build up, and introduction to the MCU. This is pandering and I really enjoy RDJ.
I can understand how not everyone would be as enthusiastic about it.
 

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I don't see it as a course correction. Seems more like a lazy way of moving forward. Instead of developing what is a strong character with a new actor that can be around for a while, they recirculate an already popular actor in a new role. Sure, the comics have done something similar, but it wasn't a greatly popular run. I've always believed that some comic book stories aren't meant for the big screen. This is one of them. Dr Doom is a good character and deserves his own unique actor, build up, and introduction to the MCU. This is pandering and I really enjoy RDJ.
Downey always manages to impress me in most of his roles, so will reserve judgment until he is on screen, but yeah, does seem a little lazy and Downey doesn't strike me as an intimidating villain.

I think Dr. Doom is tough to pull off no matter what. One of those dudes who just looks better in comic art form than on screen. I wonder if they'll do a combo CGI/real life version? That's probably the way to go, maybe even consider providing animation to his metal face. Maybe make him bigger than Downey's size too?
 

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I had opening night tickets and the wife bailed out on me. Decided it was too violent for her taste this weekend. :facepalm:

Some lucky duo got some prime viewing tickets last second as I processed my refund because the theater was sold out a month ago.

Hoping I can talk her into going this week. I'm already ruining it by accidentally seeing some spoilers in YouTube titles.
 
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