Commanders... a mammoth disaster in the making

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm with everyone on how bad they might be but I also have this sort of sick feeling that they might wind up being good just because everyone is expecting them to be terrible.

Last year it was the GMen who were suppose to be terrible cause of all their Coaching issues and their defense fighting with one another from the year before and early in the year, no one buying into Toms coaching, and yadda yadda. Then all they did was go on and win it all.

I doubt the Skins will win it all, regardless, cause they don't have a good enough defense, but none the less I'm less than thrilled at the idea of just totally leaving them for dead.

 

[dbair1967]

The Commanders will be a lot better than 4-12. I can promise you that much. They just might be one of those teams that end up surprising a lot of people. It's way too early to write them off.

That being said, I think it's safe to say that they probably do have more holes (or less overall talent) than the other NFC East teams. To me, they are about a .500 team but will probably swing a couple of games one way or the other (6-10 or 10-6).

I think its doubtful they are alot better than 4-12, though I guess what amounts to "alot" is debatable. If they won more than 6 or 7 I'll be surprised though

David

 

[dbair1967]

I bet there's the exact same thread, except titled "Cowboys ... a mammoth disaster in the making" on ES.

only in the bizarro world of ES would anyone actually believe that though

our team is absolutely loaded and clearly one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams from man one to man fifty-three in the league...only a rash of serious injuries or an early season injury to Romo could derail us from winning at least 11 or 12 games, and IMO we'll win 13 or 14 if we stay fairly healthy

David

 

[followthestar]

only in the bizarro world of ES would anyone actually believe that though

our team is absolutely loaded and clearly one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams from man one to man fifty-three in the league...only a rash of serious injuries or an early season injury to Romo could derail us from winning at least 11 or 12 games, and IMO we'll win 13 or 14 if we stay fairly healthy

David

anyone who remotely follows football or even the gossip mags or golf or whatever is aware of the Cowboys being a successful franchise - a Contender to win it all. One glance at the ProBowl roster would tell you the same thing. But the Skins on the other hand, I have to agree there aren't too many teams with inferior talent, coaching, and front office (read Snyder). If they go 10-6 in this decade I'll be amazed, and that would have to be with two wins vs. the Eagles...

The Skins are our most hated rivals, though not our most feared. Those have been mostly the Eagles, now lately the Giants again. The Skins? They do manage to pull out a few wins each year and I always underestimate them, it seems. But maybe this year I'll be right. 5-11 for the Skins. Cya.

 

[Bizwah]

I would love to see the Commanders go 4-12, then trade the pick away for an over-the-hill vet.

But it won't happen.

There's still quite a bit of talent on that team....Not YOUNG talent...but talent.

The OL is talented. Samuels is one of the best LTs in the NFC. Randy Thomas is a very good OG. If Jansen returns healthy, then he's one of the best RTs in the NFC. Rabach is a solid center.

Portis and Betts may be the most talented one-two punch at RB in the NFC. Cooley is a very good TE. Moss and ARE don't scare too many teams, but they aren't slouches either.

Their main weakness on offense is at QB. Campbell is very raw. He showed some flashes last year. A lot of QBs flash......some continue to improve...some continue to flash. Time will tell with Campbell.

I feel their defense really overachieves. Their lack of talent on the DL is masked by their continuous blitzing.

Griffin, Washington, Fletcher, Springs, and Landry are all very good players. McIntosh, Rogers, and Carter all are solid.

The fact is, there's just too much talent for them to go 4-12...even with a new coaching staff. I think they're pretty much an 8-8 team. A couple of bad breaks will put them under .500, a couple of good breaks will have them above .500.

All that being said, I believe they're probably the fourth-best team in our division.

But they're nowhere near being the worst team in the NFC.

 

[DallasDomination]

I am so glad that this organization is my most hated. It is so easy to laugh at their every move, and rationalize my extreme dislike.

Let's start off with this joke of a coach. Zorn....... A QB coach hired to be offensive coordinator who is now the head coach because the real desired head coach refused to work for that d-bag Snyder. But wait, wasn't Zorn really the guy they were eyeballing all along?.....sure. This guy knows he has no freaking buisness coaching a pro-football team, but can you blame him for taking the job? It was given to him by defacto........there was simply no one else and the clock was ticking. How good do you think this chump is going to perform in such a dysfunctional organization as his FIRST TIME EVER CALLING PLAYS. DOOM~!

Now let's move to their giant collection of overpaid, no-talent sock-cuckers. It's a shame that the most talented player on their roster died, but that is the kind of dark cloud that tends to hang over this organization. I mean FINALLY they use their first round pick to draft a stud.....finally at long last they have an absolute stud and they actually are getting more than their money's worth for him and he up and dies.

Their line is injury prone, their running back is injury prone, their receivers are WAY below average, their d-line cannot rush the QB other than Carter who is only the 2nd or 3rd best pass-rusher on any other team, their linebackers are
average. Has Springs ever finished a season? Smoot is ... pathetic. Carlos Rodgers is .. kinda a bust. Landry is now the most talented person on defense by far, and on offense the most talented person is?????? Portis is a shell of what he was in Denver and injury prone. I suppose Portis is their best offensive player, but that is pretty sad.

Seriously, am I biased or is this team less talented than other NFC duds such as the Lions, Cardinals, Bucs? Please, someone name me one NFC team with less young talent than the Skins. I would love to know.

What about the draft.....that should turn this ship around! No. Their top 3 picks were 2 receivers, which are historically the biggest gamble and longest payoff in the draft, and a backup tight-end. Sadly, this draft will do absolutely nothing to help them this year.

My prediction........ skins 6 wins on a prayer. Most likely 4 though.

p.s. Don't even get me started on thier borderline ******** QB that got outplayed by a career backup *Collins*

I like this guy...+ rep for you

 

[dfense]

The Commanders will be a lot better than 4-12. I can promise you that much. They just might be one of those teams that end up surprising a lot of people. It's way too early to write them off.

That being said, I think it's safe to say that they probably do have more holes (or less overall talent) than the other NFC East teams. To me, they are about a .500 team but will probably swing a couple of games one way or the other (6-10 or 10-6).

having a rookie-ish QB who now has to learn a completely different offense will be the rise or fall of that team.

 

[dogunwo]

I've said it a hundred times; when it comes to the Cowboys/Commanders games you can throw records, team talent and everything else out the window.

I don't think I ever heard that before. Great quote there!

 

[TOOMBS]

Atlanta's cupboard is pretty threadbare. Regardless of what the Skins' overall record is, they always play us pretty tough. I've said it a hundred times; when it comes to the Cowboys/Commanders games you can throw records, team talent and everything else out the window. I don't know if there is a rivalry in football that includes more upset victories between the two teams than this one.

Thank you. I conceed that Atlanta is a tiny bit worse than the Skins on young talent.

I care not about how they play us.....that is rivalry ****. I mean if we beat them with our only win of a season proves that team strength means nothing when we play each other.

 

[Canada180]

The Commanders are an insult to sock cuckers everywhere

 

[dooomsday]

I dont understand their direction TOOMBS. Thrown together with spit and gum, long with $ but still have no superstars! Joke. If you are going to spend get some hucking felp!

Last year they ranked 27th in ave. age.

 

[Chuck 54]

Let's start off with this joke of a coach. A QB coach hired to be offensive coordinator who is now the head coach

Ummmm....I hope you see the irony in this statement since that also would describe Jason Garrett who went from Quarterback Coach to Offensive Coordinator in big D, with even less coaching experience than Zorn...yet many fans wanted him as the Head Coach over Wade.

I'm not saying that Zorn and the Commanders won't suck...just pointing out the irony, the pot calling the kettle black thing.

 

[CowboyWay]

I have to agree with the OP. That team is headed for a downward spiral big time.
1. You go as your qb goes. Campbell stinks and has shown very little. Quincy 2.0 with the only difference being that Q-Car Spoke better English.

2. Offensive line is really getting up there in age. They have talent there sure, but can they stay healthy is the big question. I don't believe they can.

3. The recievers are painfully average. Santana was their best, but he's only a #2. ARE would be a decent #3. As far as the two rookie WR's they drafted, they certainly won't help them this year, and I believe both are busts. There is a reason they both dropped out of the 2nd round.

4. Portis is a little injury prone, but you have to like the kids heart. I can't say anything bad about him. Same goes for Cooley. Hard not to like that kid.

Defense.
Smoot. Awful
Carlos rodgers God Awful
Shawn Springs. Can still play if he's healthy. But getting up there in age.

Linebackers. Serviceable

Dline. Decrepid. Poor, poor, poor. Some are also collecting Social Security

Coaching. They have more turnover than the 3rd shift at Waffle House. Zorn is way over his head. He doesn't even know the colors of own team. How do you go from QB coach to Head Coach? Nobody in the league wanted that job, and lil Danny knew it. Gibbs left that team in shambles. Traded away draft picks like they were baseball cards and never infused any young talent on an aging and expensive roster. If a coach had done what he Gibbs did in Dallas, I'd be pissed. He will destroy that team for the next 5 years until they rebuild through the draft.

Laughing at the stinks isn't even a challenge anymore. Their franchise is so pathetically run it boggles the mind. The best thing to ever happen to that team (besides strike years) is lil danny buying it. He will destroy that team like he has destroyed so many other things he's touched.

 

[CowboyWay]

Ummmm....I hope you see the irony in this statement since that also would describe Jason Garrett who went from Quarterback Coach to Offensive Coordinator in big D, with even less coaching experience than Zorn...yet many fans wanted him as the Head Coach over Wade.

I'm not saying that Zorn and the Commanders won't suck...just pointing out the irony, the pot calling the kettle black thing.

Two different situations I think.

Zorn was a qb coach for how many years??? Never once advanced in his coaching career. He was basically given a job in seattle because of his history as a player there. Kinda like that nephew of the boss you work with who makes good money, but is never asked to do anything.

Then all of a sudden someone hires him to be an offensive coordinator. Ok, great, no problem there, but then BOOM, OMG, nobody on earth will take the head coaching position so he immedietly gets brought up to be head coach.

So you have a guy who a few months back was a qb coach who never once called a play to a head coach.

Compared to Garrett who was qb coach for 1 or 2 years upon starting his coaching career, then made assistant O coordinator behind Sparano for a year, then spagnola moves on so Garret takes over for him.

Seems to me thats a much more natural order of things than March 1st your a qb coach, and April 1st your head coach of another team.

 

[Sonny#9]

The Commanders will be a lot better than 4-12. I can promise you that much. They just might be one of those teams that end up surprising a lot of people. It's way too early to write them off.

That being said, I think it's safe to say that they probably do have more holes (or less overall talent) than the other NFC East teams. To me, they are about a .500 team but will probably swing a couple of games one way or the other (6-10 or 10-6).

That's a very fair assessment. I really cannot get a feel for this team. Ignoring the OP's rant, the Skins have drafted faily well the past couple of years -- despite their paucity of picks I think 6 of 12 picks have become solid starters.

I think they did a great job this year in the draft -- although I would have preferred Calais Campbell over Fred Davis at that slot, but so be it. Kelly and Thomas give them two large targets for the WCO, and Davis is another weapon. If one pans out this year -- the Skins offense could be very, very good. I think the O-line has some decent depth -- hopefully they will sign Bentley -- that would be outstanding.

We have two key players coming back from injury: McIntosh and Rogers. I really like Rocky, and Rogers was playing well before going down. Fletcher is 33 -- but still a rock. Washington is starting to show some age.

I am a big, big fan of Landry and Doughty. I like Smoot and Springs -- Rogers can take his time coming back. They also have a solid rookie in Tryon, I think.

Pass rush is a concern. Carter would be a lot more then a 3rd DE on any team. Anyone other then Pete Prisco knows that. Montgomery is a monster in the middle. Griffin is solid, Golston is the blue-collar, high-energy guy. Daniels is old and done. But no starter other then Carter has shown any pass rush ability. Hoping James can stay healthy, I also like Chris Wilson as a pass rush specialist (4 sacks as a rookie last year), but nothing to really hang one's hat on.

New coach, rookies hopefully playing prominent positions, too many questions to really say.

 

[CowboyWay]

That's a very fair assessment. I really cannot get a feel for this team. Ignoring the OP's rant, the Skins have drafted faily well the past couple of years -- despite their paucity of picks I think 6 of 12 picks have become solid starters.

I think they did a great job this year in the draft -- although I would have preferred Calais Campbell over Fred Davis at that slot, but so be it. Kelly and Thomas give them two large targets for the WCO, and Davis is another weapon. If one pans out this year -- the Skins offense could be very, very good. I think the O-line has some decent depth -- hopefully they will sign Bentley -- that would be outstanding.

We have two key players coming back from injury: McIntosh and Rogers. I really like Rocky, and Rogers was playing well before going down. Fletcher is 33 -- but still a rock. Washington is starting to show some age.

I am a big, big fan of Landry and Doughty. I like Smoot and Springs -- Rogers can take his time coming back. They also have a solid rookie in Tryon, I think.

Pass rush is a concern. Carter would be a lot more then a 3rd DE on any team. Anyone other then Pete Prisco knows that. Montgomery is a monster in the middle. Griffin is solid, Golston is the blue-collar, high-energy guy. Daniels is old and done. But no starter other then Carter has shown any pass rush ability. Hoping James can stay healthy, I also like Chris Wilson as a pass rush specialist (4 sacks as a rookie last year), but nothing to really hang one's hat on.

New coach, rookies hopefully playing prominent positions, too many questions to really say.

I noticed you didn't mention anything about your pathetic qb situation.

How many weeks into the season do you see the fans screaming for Collins? I'm guessing week 3.

 

[dest]

March 1st your a qb coach, and April 1st your head coach of another team.

I always forget how funny that is, lol.

 

[Sonny#9]

I noticed you didn't mention anything about your pathetic qb situation.

How many weeks into the season do you see the fans screaming for Collins? I'm guessing week 3.

What, so you can make more idiotic comparisons to Quincy Carter? No thanks.

 

[TOOMBS]

That's a very fair assessment. I really cannot get a feel for this team. Ignoring the OP's rant, the Skins have drafted faily well the past couple of years -- despite their paucity of picks I think 6 of 12 picks have become solid starters.

I think they did a great job this year in the draft -- although I would have preferred Calais Campbell over Fred Davis at that slot, but so be it. Kelly and Thomas give them two large targets for the WCO, and Davis is another weapon. If one pans out this year -- the Skins offense could be very, very good. I think the O-line has some decent depth -- hopefully they will sign Bentley -- that would be outstanding.

We have two key players coming back from injury: McIntosh and Rogers. I really like Rocky, and Rogers was playing well before going down. Fletcher is 33 -- but still a rock. Washington is starting to show some age.

I am a big, big fan of Landry and Doughty. I like Smoot and Springs -- Rogers can take his time coming back. They also have a solid rookie in Tryon, I think.

Pass rush is a concern. Carter would be a lot more then a 3rd DE on any team. Anyone other then Pete Prisco knows that. Montgomery is a monster in the middle. Griffin is solid, Golston is the blue-collar, high-energy guy. Daniels is old and done. But no starter other then Carter has shown any pass rush ability. Hoping James can stay healthy, I also like Chris Wilson as a pass rush specialist (4 sacks as a rookie last year), but nothing to really hang one's hat on.

New coach, rookies hopefully playing prominent positions, too many questions to really say.

I love how every Commander fan is now magically some kind of expert on the WCO. "The WCO is going to fix everything!" Six year ago it was, "The FUN AND GUN is going to fix everything".

How is it that drafting two rookies that will contribute next to nothing this year going to help your team because you are running the magical WCO? Your QB is exactly the opposite of what you want from a WCO quarterback. Campbell has a slow-wind up, I think we can all agree on that. He is slow to pick his target, and then slow to wind up, and then throws these inaccurate lazer beams with no touch at all so your tiny little midget receivers have no time to adjust to it and can't always jump the five feet in the air necessary to actually catch the damn thing. Oh god, this is going to be fun to watch.

Yes, you drafted two tall receivers that COULD work in the WCO, and you will be lucky if just one of them actually contributes in thrid receiver capacity in the next couple years...... yeah, you guys are so close to pulling this all together :laugh2:

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

That's a very fair assessment. I really cannot get a feel for this team. Ignoring the OP's rant, the Skins have drafted faily well the past couple of years -- despite their paucity of picks I think 6 of 12 picks have become solid starters.

I think they did a great job this year in the draft -- although I would have preferred Calais Campbell over Fred Davis at that slot, but so be it. Kelly and Thomas give them two large targets for the WCO, and Davis is another weapon. If one pans out this year -- the Skins offense could be very, very good. I think the O-line has some decent depth -- hopefully they will sign Bentley -- that would be outstanding.

We have two key players coming back from injury: McIntosh and Rogers. I really like Rocky, and Rogers was playing well before going down. Fletcher is 33 -- but still a rock. Washington is starting to show some age.

I am a big, big fan of Landry and Doughty. I like Smoot and Springs -- Rogers can take his time coming back. They also have a solid rookie in Tryon, I think.

Pass rush is a concern. Carter would be a lot more then a 3rd DE on any team. Anyone other then Pete Prisco knows that. Montgomery is a monster in the middle. Griffin is solid, Golston is the blue-collar, high-energy guy. Daniels is old and done. But no starter other then Carter has shown any pass rush ability. Hoping James can stay healthy, I also like Chris Wilson as a pass rush specialist (4 sacks as a rookie last year), but nothing to really hang one's hat on.

New coach, rookies hopefully playing prominent positions, too many questions to really say.

I have to agree with the OP. That team is headed for a downward spiral big time.
1. You go as your qb goes. Campbell stinks and has shown very little. Quincy 2.0 with the only difference being that Q-Car Spoke better English.

2. Offensive line is really getting up there in age. They have talent there sure, but can they stay healthy is the big question. I don't believe they can.

3. The recievers are painfully average. Santana was their best, but he's only a #2. ARE would be a decent #3. As far as the two rookie WR's they drafted, they certainly won't help them this year, and I believe both are busts. There is a reason they both dropped out of the 2nd round.

4. Portis is a little injury prone, but you have to like the kids heart. I can't say anything bad about him. Same goes for Cooley. Hard not to like that kid.

Defense.
Smoot. Awful
Carlos rodgers God Awful
Shawn Springs. Can still play if he's healthy. But getting up there in age.

Linebackers. Serviceable

Dline. Decrepid. Poor, poor, poor. Some are also collecting Social Security

Coaching. They have more turnover than the 3rd shift at Waffle House. Zorn is way over his head. He doesn't even know the colors of own team. How do you go from QB coach to Head Coach? Nobody in the league wanted that job, and lil Danny knew it. Gibbs left that team in shambles. Traded away draft picks like they were baseball cards and never infused any young talent on an aging and expensive roster. If a coach had done what he Gibbs did in Dallas, I'd be pissed. He will destroy that team for the next 5 years until they rebuild through the draft.

Laughing at the stinks isn't even a challenge anymore. Their franchise is so pathetically run it boggles the mind. The best thing to ever happen to that team (besides strike years) is lil danny buying it. He will destroy that team like he has destroyed so many other things he's touched.

I guess it's all about perspective, huh? Skins' fans see the cup half-full while others see it as empty, dry, and cracked w/ no hope of holding water!