Commanders... a mammoth disaster in the making

[Bizwah]

Portis had one career ending injury in his career

So, why's he still playing?

 

[CowboyWay]

Except there are extremely clear differences between the two. Take a look at their statistics if you don't believe me. Regardless, I can post the plethora of differences between the two and you would respond with a half coherent rant like, but they both throw inaccurately, if you don't believe me, look at the games (as if you have all of the old QC games saved on your DVR and regularly review them). Either way, nobody can definitively evaluate a QB at JC's stage and anyone who pretends to is either delusional or a lying fool.


I did look at the statistics. And they are shockingly similiar. But even more than that, watch them both. Both are indecisive, innaccurate, overdrafted and neither are too bright.



Based on what? Jansen had the first season ending injury that wasn't a complete accident this year. You believe he can't come back from one injury? Same goes with Thomas. His early exit in 05 was a freak accident that could have happened to anyone.

Janson is 32 and hasn't played football in 2 years. Do you really expect him to step right in like he did 2 years ago? Are you taking your meds?

Thomas is also 32 coming missing most of 07. The guy has basically played one year of football since the end of 2004.



You believe they are both busts, before they ever strap on the cleats??? They didn't slip out of the 2nd round, they were taken in the second round. Either way, TO and Chad Johnson were both slipped out of the second round, I guess they are hopeless as well.

Devin Thomas was a one year wonder in college. Reciever position is very difficult to evaluate prospects coming out. Perhaps none are more difficult than WR's. And you took one that every NFL team passed up at least once, and who only had one successful season.

Malcolm Kelly can run the 40 in just under a minute. That might be find when you're playing the Texas A&M's or the Nebraska's of the world, but it won't work in the NFL. And don't even get me started on his attitude.



Portis had one career ending injury in his career and is two years removed from that. It's like calling Colombo injury prone, it's grasping at straws. Sure, he had an injury, but I think having gone two seasons relatively injury free, we can assume he's past that.

I said a "little" injury prone cause the guy is always knicked up. He fights through it and is a warrior, but lets not pretend he is indestructable.



How can I argue with that scintilating analysis? Yet, somehow with that horrible defense, we managed to post a defense ranked 8th in the league (the Cowboys were ranked 9th BTW). Throw in another year of progression for Montgomery, Wilson and Rocky McIntosh, we should be a bit better...

Of course you ranked 8th in total defense. Because your offense was pathetic. When you play against teams who struggle offensively, notice how little the opposing offenses try to do to you. They play it close to the vest, very conservative, they want to control the clock, run the ball. If you had a high octane offense, that D of yours would have slipped into the mid 20's.

No different than us back in 03-04. Our O was pathetic, so teams didn't try to do too much offensively, all it does in the end is boost the defenses rating higher than it should be.



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[jobberone]

I hear you. That franchise is a train wreck. I started an interesting thread on what its like to be a redsucks fan. But it was a little too close to the Rogers tragedy and some of our more sensitive members got their panties in a bunch and had it removed.

If they removed it then it was for a good reason. Your sensitivity is touching. But you are right about the franchise being a train wreck. It's at the top. But the Skins will win some games this year and should not be taken lightly. They will likely win 5-9 games this year.

 

[Biggems]

I hear you. That franchise is a train wreck. I started an interesting thread on what its like to be a redsucks fan. But it was a little too close to the Rogers tragedy and some of our more sensitive members got their panties in a bunch and had it removed.

Rogers tragedy? what happened to Rogers?

 

[firehawk350]

I disagree.... at that point the O-line let the pressure through... MAILED IT IN!

Its a shame... I am not a skins fans by any means... but I felt bad for Collins....

Heyer got dominated by Kearny. He did about as well as you can expect for a rookie UDFA tackle against a premiere DE. I expect a good amount of progression, but I think he'll take the biggest step in year 3.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Heyer got dominated by Kearny. He did about as well as you can expect for a rookie UDFA tackle against a premiere DE. I expect a good amount of progression, but I think he'll take the biggest step in year 3.

You mean opposing defenses will be "stepping through"

 

[Skinsmaniac]

The cupboard is definitely bare in terms of young talent. Notable players who have payed fewer than five seasons are: Cooley, Stephon Heyer our third OT, Campbell, Kedric Golston our third DT, Anthony Montgomery, Rocky McIntosh, Laron Landry, Carlos Rogers, Reed Doughty, and our rookies.

I don't think that Heyer has the footspeed to be successful, but Joe Bugel seems to like him. Rogers is a below average CB. Reed I thought played pretty well last year, but he'll be fighting for a starting job. I really like Montgomery, McIntosh, Cooley, and Landry. I think that Campbell will progress into a good QB, but I don't expect anyone on here to agree.

I really like Kelly. I'm not as high on Thomas, but the only thing I've seen of either of them have been highlight reels. I think that Chad Rinehart an OT who we picked in the 3rd will have to step up at some point this year, so I really hope we hit on him. Other than Rinehart and Kelly, there really aren't any other rookies who I think will have an impact this year, and I expect both of those guys to have a minimal impact. I'm happy we chose the punter in the 6th (insert your cheap jokes here).

There are other young players who see the field like Lorenzo Alexander, HB Blades, Demetric Evans, and Leigh Torrence, but I don't expect those guys to be anything but career backups. Of course there's Erasmus James too, but I'm not holding my breath. Still, I think we'll be competitive this year.

 

[firehawk350]

I did look at the statistics. And they are shockingly similiar. But even more than that, watch them both. Both are indecisive, innaccurate, overdrafted and neither are too bright.

Not too bright??? What makes you think that? Is it because he's country and from Mississippi? Either way, QC never posted a QB rating above what Campbell posted in his first year. Furthermore, Carter has never had more TDs than he had INTs (which Campbell accomplished in both years). Campbell also has a better completion percentage.

Either way, I stand by what I said, if you think you know how JC is going to turn out as a pro you're either lying to make yourself feel better or a farkin' delusional idiot... So do you know???


[/quote]Janson is 32 and hasn't played football in 2 years. Do you really expect him to step right in like he did 2 years ago? Are you taking your meds?

Thomas is also 32 coming missing most of 07. The guy has basically played one year of football since the end of 2004.[/quote]

Cmon, there's no way you are this dumb... Jansen played all of 2006 so he only missed one season... Thomas played all but 4 games of 2005, all of 2006 and missed 13 games of 2007. So he's a lot closer to playing two seasons since 2004. But hey, don't let facts stand in your way.

Devin Thomas was a one year wonder in college. Reciever position is very difficult to evaluate prospects coming out. Perhaps none are more difficult than WR's. And you took one that every NFL team passed up at least once, and who only had one successful season.

Malcolm Kelly can run the 40 in just under a minute. That might be find when you're playing the Texas A&M's or the Nebraska's of the world, but it won't work in the NFL. And don't even get me started on his attitude.

All the teams passed on TO, Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Anquan Boldin and Marques Colston at least once (in most cases, twice). I guess they were all busts...

I can't believe you used the 40 to declare Kelly a bust... Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 40. TO ran a 4.5 40 (and I can remember he blew by 4.2 timed DeAngelo Hall last year). Of course, your football knowledge is really lacking given your whole defense of your stance that 2nd round receivers can't produce is because teams passed them up.

I said a "little" injury prone cause the guy is always knicked up. He fights through it and is a warrior, but lets not pretend he is indestructable.

He isn't any more injury prone than any other RB. Let's not pretend he misses a bunch of games a year.

Of course you ranked 8th in total defense. Because your offense was pathetic. When you play against teams who struggle offensively, notice how little the opposing offenses try to do to you. They play it close to the vest, very conservative, they want to control the clock, run the ball. If you had a high octane offense, that D of yours would have slipped into the mid 20's.

No different than us back in 03-04. Our O was pathetic, so teams didn't try to do too much offensively, all it does in the end is boost the defenses rating higher than it should be.

This may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say on this message board, and I've heard some dumb things here (Tom Brady vs. Tony Romo, search it and you'll see what I mean)... I have never heard anybody make this argument ever, and for good reason. It's ********. Find one quote from somebody who doesn't just post on a message board (analyst, sports writer, GM, coach) who agrees with this and I'll re-engage from that point on. Until then, you are talking out your butt and sound like an ***

 

[Redskins2008]

The cupboard is definitely bare in terms of young talent. Notable players who have payed fewer than five seasons are: Cooley, Stephon Heyer our third OT, Campbell, Kedric Golston our third DT, Anthony Montgomery, Rocky McIntosh, Laron Landry, Carlos Rogers, Reed Doughty, and our rookies.

I don't think that Heyer has the footspeed to be successful, but Joe Bugel seems to like him. Rogers is a below average CB. Reed I thought played pretty well last year, but he'll be fighting for a starting job. I really like Montgomery, McIntosh, Cooley, and Landry. I think that Campbell will progress into a good QB, but I don't expect anyone on here to agree.

I really like Kelly. I'm not as high on Thomas, but the only thing I've seen of either of them have been highlight reels. I think that Chad Rinehart an OT who we picked in the 3rd will have to step up at some point this year, so I really hope we hit on him. Other than Rinehart and Kelly, there really aren't any other rookies who I think will have an impact this year, and I expect both of those guys to have a minimal impact. I'm happy we chose the punter in the 6th (insert your cheap jokes here).

There are other young players who see the field like Lorenzo Alexander, HB Blades, Demetric Evans, and Leigh Torrence, but I don't expect those guys to be anything but career backups. Of course there's Erasmus James too, but I'm not holding my breath. Still, I think we'll be competitive this year.

One pick everyone is sleeping on including Commanders fan. TE out of USC Fred Davis. One Area Commanders offense was having a hard time is red zone TD. Kelly and Davis will help our red zone out a great deal. We can use more 2 TE set in red zone or we can put Cooley in the slot and play Fred Davis in TE? We can also put Kelly as 1, Thomas as 2 and put Moss in the slot? or We might wanna go bigger Kelly as 1, Mix (6'5) as 2 and thomas in the slot, Cooley as TE. I think this year will be interesting year for nfl east. I love the fact noone giving us a chance.


Question for anybody to answer

If you are NY Giants Defense Coach how can you plan for Commanders Offense first game? All people know is our will be like seattle..... I think Jim Zorn will add his fav to it

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you are NY Giants Defense Coach how can you plan for Commanders Offense first game? All people know is our will be like seattle..... I think Jim Zorn will add his fav to it

blitz Campbell into submission, strip him of the ball a few times

play alot of zone

 

[TOOMBS]

One pick everyone is sleeping on including Commanders fan. TE out of USC Fred Davis. One Area Commanders offense was having a hard time is red zone TD. Kelly and Davis will help our red zone out a great deal. We can use more 2 TE set in red zone or we can put Cooley in the slot and play Fred Davis in TE? We can also put Kelly as 1, Thomas as 2 and put Moss in the slot? or We might wanna go bigger Kelly as 1, Mix (6'5) as 2 and thomas in the slot, Cooley as TE. I think this year will be interesting year for nfl east. I love the fact noone giving us a chance.


Question for anybody to answer

If you are NY Giants Defense Coach how can you plan for Commanders Offense first game? All people know is our will be like seattle..... I think Jim Zorn will add his fav to it

LOL, I love it. A giants reject is now the new saviour of the Skins offense. The sentence after that is pure comedy........... typical Skins fan crud.

1st skins fan post, "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE *whoever* IS IGNORING OUR POWERHOUSE TEAM YET AGAIN! I AM SO UPSET!"

2nd skins fan post, "I LOVE THAT THEY ALL IGNORE US...... THAT WAY WE SNEAK UNDER THE RADAR!" *lol that is Rucking Fidiculous*

I just wish I could put into words the amount of lame eminating from our nation's capitol.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

LOL, I love it. A giants reject is now the new saviour of the Skins offense. The sentence after that is pure comedy........... typical Skins fan crud.

1st skins fan post, "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE *whoever* IS IGNORING OUR POWERHOUSE TEAM YET AGAIN! I AM SO UPSET!"

2nd skins fan post, "I LOVE THAT THEY ALL IGNORE US...... THAT WAY WE SNEAK UNDER THE RADAR!" *lol that is Rucking Fidiculous*

I just wish I could put into words the amount of lame eminating from our nation's capitol.

You forgot #3....

Yeah we lost 52-7 but we didnt get destroyed... we made them earn every yard, every TD.

 

[Disturbed]

You forgot #3....

Yeah we lost 52-7 but we didnt get destroyed... we made them earn every yard, every TD.

I hope they say that again this year after playing the Cowboys. That was classic...
:laugh2:

 

[firehawk350]

blitz Campbell into submission, strip him of the ball a few times

play alot of zone

Zone blitzes??? I would not zone blitz because I expect the Skins to use a lot of running plays to begin the season. Zorn said the running system is fully installed and the passing game is almost there (indicating the running game is further along). If you begin dropping DEs in the short zones and committing LBs to the gaps, you'll get scorched on the ground. I think that our system is going to look more like Seattle circa 05 than Walsh or the current Seattle system.

I'd press the receivers and crowd the box. Take your chances with Cooley in the flat and make Moss and the youngins' beat the press. I have less faith in their ability than Portis'.

 

[firehawk350]

LOL, I love it. A giants reject is now the new saviour of the Skins offense. The sentence after that is pure comedy........... typical Skins fan crud.

1st skins fan post, "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE *whoever* IS IGNORING OUR POWERHOUSE TEAM YET AGAIN! I AM SO UPSET!"

2nd skins fan post, "I LOVE THAT THEY ALL IGNORE US...... THAT WAY WE SNEAK UNDER THE RADAR!" *lol that is Rucking Fidiculous*

I just wish I could put into words the amount of lame eminating from our nation's capitol.

I don't see where he said that Mix was the savior... If you think he can't be a contributor in the redzone, well I guess that's your opinion, there's no evidence one way or the other. But he's already proven to be a great ST guy and there's hope he can develop into a guy who can get the jump ball in the redzone. We'll see though.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If you think he can't be a contributor in the redzone

I think he could be great in the redzone. If somehow he figured out how to throw it and catch it himself.

 

[Kangaroo]

I hear you. That franchise is a train wreck. I started an interesting thread on what its like to be a redsucks fan. But it was a little too close to the Rogers tragedy and some of our more sensitive members got their panties in a bunch and had it removed.

Easy think back to the Dave Campo Head Coaching circus and that is what Commander fan is going through

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The obsession of a Cowboys fan never lacks any bounds

Nice thread

Personally, I see the Commanders going 0-16, losing every game by 40 points or more, because the QB is black and wears number 17 and therefore is exactly like a QB that used to play in Dallas a few years ago

 

[TOOMBS]

I don't see where he said that Mix was the savior... If you think he can't be a contributor in the redzone, well I guess that's your opinion, there's no evidence one way or the other. But he's already proven to be a great ST guy and there's hope he can develop into a guy who can get the jump ball in the redzone. We'll see though.

Why on Earth would anyone, anywhere think he can be anything? He was not even good enough to make the Giants' roster.

I am 6'5" in real life....... does that mean I could contribute for the Commanders in the redzone? I mean Mix only has 3 more catches than me in the NFL.... we are basically even!

 

[5Stars]

The obsession of a Cowboys fan never lacks any bounds

Nice thread

Personally, I see the Commanders going 0-16, losing every game by 40 points or more, because the QB is black and wears number 17 and therefore is exactly like a QB that used to play in Dallas a few years ago

Sounds about right, coming from a Commander fan.