Commanders Vs. The East...

[SkinsandTerps]

And giving TO 8 million plus a year isn't?

I am not so sure it is that much cash.

However, Depth at any postition for any team is questionable for any team.

And as far as the cap goes ? That has proven time, and time, and time again, to be a non-issue.

 

[silverbear]

I cant recall voting for any thread on ES recently.

Good for you...

You may pass on it but many of your brethren likely would not.

It has been my experience that frivolous polls don't get much of a response on this board...

Homer or not, there has been plenty of SB talk around these parts recently.

No, there hasn't been... as WoodysGirl pointed out, the consensus expectation (hope?) in here is a bit less lofty than that-- make the playoffs, and win at least one playoff game... winning the NFC East, and anything more than one playoff game, would be gravy...

Now, I think that in a year or two, the Cowboys WILL once again be among the elite in the NFC... but I don't really think they're quite there yet... oh, if they caught lightning in a bottle, if they stayed really, really healthy, I wouldn't be totally flabbergasted to see them make a spirited Super Bowl run this year, but I don't EXPECT anything of the sort...

But is seems quite clear that homerism is alive in every fan base.

It is, of course... but nowhere else on the internet, including other Skins boards, have I EVER seen anything approaching the rampant, mindless homerism that prevails over on ExtremeSkins... oh, there are a few knowledgeable posters over there, but the percentage of certifiable loons is higher than any other football board I've ever seen...

Please understand that I'm being perfectly serious here, I'm not just baiting you... that board just plain sucks... if I was a Skins fan (thank you Jesus, for keeping from goin' down THAT path), I'd be more prone to hang out on CPND than ES...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Not when he's only gonna hit the cap for about 5 mil a season, thanks to the way the contract is structured, and he can be cut at any time if he causes problems...

And not when the Boys were sittin' nearly 20 million under the salary cap... they had the room to make a splash, and still add quality depth at other positions...

For sure, signing TO for what we paid him was a more productive move than signing Randle El and Lloyd for what you paid them... and I purely loathe TO...

Quality depth or decent depth. I will admit that the Commanders have depth questions in many places but at the same time the Cowboys added questionable depth.

Who cares what a guy is paid as long as you can work it within the cap ? That is what has been done.

20 M and still didnt go after 2 of the best OL players in the NFL. That is just senseless.

 

[silverbear]

BS. You love the cynics. Who are you kidding ? haha.

ROTFLMAO... yeah, that's why I get these periodic reminders from
WoodysGirl, telling me to ratchet down the hostility when I get to snarlin' at those fools... and that's why ol' Alexander is so fond of me these days...

In recent days, I've been growlin' at Cowboys fans who are down on Drew Henson, and fans who are rippin' Greg Ellis a new anal orifice because he's complaining about his situation in the media...

They say a cynic is someone who knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing... I like that definition, and I have no use for guys who can do nothing but p*ss and moan in their every post...

In fact, I don't particularly like the Cowboys cynics, and I don't particularly like the homers either... the guys I respect on these boards are the ones who try to give a fair and balanced analysis when they post... gimme the good AND the bad, and let me sort it out for myself...

 

[silverbear]

Yet who played more than 16 games ?

The team that stayed healthy... you might not want to believe that was the only real difference between out 2 teams, but it was...

 

[RiggoForever]

The team that stayed healthy... you might not want to believe that was the only real difference between out 2 teams, but it was...

We had our share of injuries as well, particularly defensive line and secondary

 

[SkinsandTerps]

It has been my experience that frivolous polls don't get much of a response on this board...

You miss a lot. There are plenty. We all know it and take a peek to see what people think, but at the same time dont bother to vote or respond.

No, there hasn't been... as WoodysGirl pointed out, the consensus expectation (hope?) in here is a bit less lofty than that-- make the playoffs, and win at least one playoff game... winning the NFC East, and anything more than one playoff game, would be gravy...

Search and you shall find.

Now, I think that in a year or two, the Cowboys WILL once again be among the elite in the NFC... but I don't really think they're quite there yet... oh, if they caught lightning in a bottle, if they stayed really, really healthy, I wouldn't be totally flabbergasted to see them make a spirited Super Bowl run this year, but I don't EXPECT anything of the sort...

I dont want to toot any Cowboys horn, but the Cowboys are a far superior team than the Panthers, RIGHT NOW and should beat them again this year barring injuries. Yet the Panthers seem to be everyones wet dream pick as favorites.


It is, of course... but nowhere else on the internet, including other Skins boards, have I EVER seen anything approaching the rampant, mindless homerism that prevails over on ExtremeSkins... oh, there are a few knowledgeable posters over there, but the percentage of certifiable loons is higher than any other football board I've ever seen...

Please understand that I'm being perfectly serious here, I'm not just baiting you... that board just plain sucks... if I was a Skins fan (thank you Jesus, for keeping from goin' down THAT path), I'd be more prone to hang out on CPND than ES...[/QUOTE]

I will direct you to a board that will blow your mind...

http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?

You know we are always cool. But I gotta defend my guys too.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

ROTFLMAO... yeah, that's why I get these periodic reminders from
WoodysGirl, telling me to ratchet down the hostility when I get to snarlin' at those fools... and that's why ol' Alexander is so fond of me these days...

In recent days, I've been growlin' at Cowboys fans who are down on Drew Henson, and fans who are rippin' Greg Ellis a new anal orifice because he's complaining about his situation in the media...

They say a cynic is someone who knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing... I like that definition, and I have no use for guys who can do nothing but p*ss and moan in their every post...

In fact, I don't particularly like the Cowboys cynics, and I don't particularly like the homers either... the guys I respect on these boards are the ones who try to give a fair and balanced analysis when they post... gimme the good AND the bad, and let me sort it out for myself...

Cheers to that analysis Bro.

And people ask me why I am here on this board.

I need either a biased opinion or a homer opinion to set back to reality.

Neither is good but either can teach.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

The team that stayed healthy... you might not want to believe that was the only real difference between out 2 teams, but it was...

Partially healthy. The Commanders were banged up too. Yet the players stepped up and performed in the second half of the season. They got to the playoffs and it seemed it was all guts.

 

[littlewebs]

The team that stayed healthy... you might not want to believe that was the only real difference between out 2 teams, but it was...

Here's how I rationalized how last season turned out for the Cowboys: If our kickers didn't miss from under 40 yards in THREE games (Wash #1, Seattle, Denver) we lost by 3 or less, we go 12-4 and have home field advantage over the Seahawks with our head to head tiebreaker.

That was with our horrific late season O-line and all the injuries on D. Vanderjagt was not our most significant offseason acquisition, but it sure helps us the most. We were right there last year with an even halfway decent kicker.

 

[silverbear]

Quality depth or decent depth. I will admit that the Commanders have depth questions in many places

And yet, you've predicted a Skins' Super Bowl win in this thread... seems you're pretty sure that the Skins won't suffer from the injury bug...

but at the same time the Cowboys added questionable depth.

Seems like you really haven't paid too much attention to what the Cowboys REALLY did this offseason:

They added one of the top 5 WRs in the game... I hate him, but facts is facts... they also added promising prospects in Skyler Green, Miles Austin and unheralded Sam Hurd... the WR corps is significantly deeper, significantly better...

They added the most accurate field goal kicker in NFL history... if they had had him last season, they would have been in the playoffs... note I didn't say the MIGHT have been in the playoffs, I said the WOULD have been in the playoffs... they would likely have been an 11-5 team...

They added Bobby Carpenter, Akin Ayodele and Rocky Boiman to the linebacking corps... this is a serious upgrade...

They added Ryan Hannam to be their blocking TE, and Anthony Fasano for their 2 TE sets... along with Jason Witten, this makes for one of the best sets of TEs in the NFL...

Who cares what a guy is paid as long as you can work it within the cap ?

You should, since overpaying one player leaves you less money to bring in more talent...

20 M and still didnt go after 2 of the best OL players in the NFL. That is just senseless.

You don't know that the Cowboys didn't pursue Bentley or Hutchinson... or do you think that every team can automatically sign any player they might wish to, and the players' desires don't factor into the equation??

 

[silverbear]

We had our share of injuries as well, particularly defensive line and secondary

Name the DL and DB players who wound up on IR... for that matter, give me the entire list of Skins players who wound up on IR...

Once you do that, I'll give you the list of Cowboys who wound up on IR... bet ya my list is MUCH longer than yours is, and will involve more players critical to the team's success (for example, you guys didn't lose ANY Pro Bowlers, we lost Flozell Adams)...

 

[silverbear]

I will direct you to a board that will blow your mind...

http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?

Never have been to an Iggles board, and don't plan on starting now... my few forays into the Iggles' newsgroup was enough to cure me of that...

You know we are always cool. But I gotta defend my guys too.

Got no problem with that, wild man... I'm arguing with ya, but I'm not mad at ya...

 

[RiggoForever]

Name the DL and DB players who wound up on IR... for that matter, give me the entire list of Skins players who wound up on IR...

Once you do that, I'll give you the list of Cowboys who wound up on IR... bet ya my list is MUCH longer than yours is, and will involve more players critical to the team's success (for example, you guys didn't lose ANY Pro Bowlers, we lost Flozell Adams)...

We didn't have that many guys on IR, but we had a bunch miss 2-3 games at different points in the season.

Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Joe Salave'a, Renaldo Wynn, Randy Thomas, David Patten (IR)

 

[cowboywho?]

If Dallas doesnt give washington that miracle in September, their roles are reversed, and Dallas is beating Tampa Bay in round 1. It's not like Washington was clearly the better team

Exactly if your team play at 50 percent they hand games away.
Sodont use that excuse please. You gave up you pay the price.

 

[xsamhainx_999]

Nope, but I know that other than ONE season, in which he had 12.5 sacks, the guy has all of 19.5 sacks in 53 games played for the rest of his career... that's an average of fewer than 6 sacks per 16 games played...

So, it seems that because the guy had ONE good season, some 4 years ago, you think he can come into Washington and give y'all double digit sack totals for the next 5 or 6 years...

That's homerism, plain and simple... and of course, you guys will soon find out what the rest of the league knows-- Andre Carter is a liability against the run...

The reason we're happy with the Carter signing is because he was being used out of position on the 49ers defense.....playing LB. His 12.5 sack year came when he was lined up at his natural position. He played 2 years at the LB position & the other year he was on the Dline it was cut short by injury.

Bringing him back to his natural position on a signifigantly better defense gives Skins fans an optimistic view on the signing. Especially when they passed on John Abraham to pick him up.

 

[xsamhainx_999]

You bet it matters, it matters a LOT...

The problem with overpaying for free agents is that it leaves you less money to acquire solid DEPTH... so you're forced to bring like 70 undrafted rookie free agents in for tryouts in your first minicamp, like the Skins did (the Cowboys brought in fewer than 20 UDRFAs)...

Throwing major dollars at free agents year after year after year leaves you with a group of quality starters, but lousy depth... which means that you have to count on staying healthy to stay competitive... last year, you guys did just that, but it's rare that any team enjoys that kind of health (certainly, y'all didn't have the same kind of health the previous couple-three years)...

Yup, throwing mad money at players like Lloyd and Randle El and Archuleta is foolish cap management, plain and simple...

It's not that plain & simple. It would be mad money if the players actually finished out their contracts as they are written now....but as you may or may not know that is almost never the case for the Commanders.

 

[xsamhainx_999]

Not when he's only gonna hit the cap for about 5 mil a season, thanks to the way the contract is structured, and he can be cut at any time if he causes problems...

And not when the Boys were sittin' nearly 20 million under the salary cap... they had the room to make a splash, and still add quality depth at other positions...

For sure, signing TO for what we paid him was a more productive move than signing Randle El and Lloyd for what you paid them... and I purely loathe TO...

For sure? When none of those players named have even played a single down with their new teams? We haven't had a chance to see how these signings will impact our teams. If you can predict the future then hit me up with some lottery numbers please.

 

[xsamhainx_999]

Here's how I rationalized how last season turned out for the Cowboys: If our kickers didn't miss from under 40 yards in THREE games (Wash #1, Seattle, Denver) we lost by 3 or less, we go 12-4 and have home field advantage over the Seahawks with our head to head tiebreaker.

That was with our horrific late season O-line and all the injuries on D. Vanderjagt was not our most significant offseason acquisition, but it sure helps us the most. We were right there last year with an even halfway decent kicker.

I believe the word your looking for is THEORIZE. If your rationalizing it then it is simple.....they lost because they didn't play well enough. Every team in the league can theorize how they could've won a game or do you believe your the only team in the league that lost games by a minimal amount points?

 

[Alexander]

And according to pundits (i.e guys on TV) Dallas' draft was nothing to write home about

Do Commander fans even understand what a draft is? And of course, these same pundits to a person panned your embarassment of one. But we shall not mention that, shall we?

Will the 2 guys in my sig be able to tackle the guy with the ball in my sig this year?

How much longer will you pathetic children live off that one play? Off the two wins amongst a sea of domination?

Forever, I believe as insecure as the most of you are. Just like the Arrington play was worn out.

With as many times as Dallas has beaten the Commanders over the years, I guess it does take you all to a happy place when you recall the handful of big plays and occasional wins.