Commanders Vs. The East...

[The30YardSlant]

Because it makes so much sense to compare yourself to someone you will not face right?

Logically, THINK ABOUT IT here buddy

Who is reacting to whose moves? Is Gregg Williams making adjustments based on what Mike Zimmer is doing?

Is Al Saunders making adjustments based on what Chris Palmer or whoever your little o-coordinator is doing?

NO

Gregg Williams will make adjustments based on what he sees your OFFENSIVE coordinator doing

Al Saunders will adjust to what Mike Zimmer is doing

Think about it just for a second here, you go to too fine of an instiution not to understand this

I understand your logic, that doesnt make it good

 

[5Stars]

:dissskin:

I had to let my dog, Gibbs, go outside before everyone goes to bed...

He's a damn good dog...very smart, and well trained.

 

[silverbear]

ES has how many members? 50,000? compare that to the 7,000 here.

obviously, with that many more members, there are going to be more random people coming in and spouting out non-sense like that that here. Most of the people that post on here are people that post on a regular basis, and circulate the same thoughts. While at ES, a lot of new people come along and just start stupid threads to try and get a rise out of people...

So, you're saying that a lot of the posters at ES are on the stupid side??

I couldn't agree more... of course, that was the whole point of this thread in the first place, LOL...

The thing is, when somebody makes a stupid, homeristic post on this board, he generally gets reamed good... when somebody makes a similarly stupid, homeristic post on ES, it results in at least 5 pages of the most juvenile, ignorant homerism you're ever gonna see...

I think the basic difference between Cowboys fans and Skins fans who post online is that there are WAY too many relentlessly cynical people who call themselves Cowboys fans, and WAY too many mindless homers who never, ever utter a discouraging word about their favorite team who call themselves Skins fans...

To tell the truth, I wish there were more of the homers over here, I get real tired of the cynics' endless squawking... but I wouldn't want us to go as far as they do over at ES, or anywhere close to that...

 

[silverbear]

That said, the Eagles are just as hungry to beat the Cowboys ...as the Cowboys are to beat the Commanders.

That's music to my ears, for way too long here recently there was no need for the Iggles to take the Boys seriously...

 

[silverbear]

What does Q.E.D. mean? Inquiring minds want to know...

Quincy Excels Daily??

<ducking for cover>

 

[silverbear]

dont you think that this poll is a little skewed? If you ask a question like that, "will they win the superbowl", and give three answers, "yes", "no", "make it but loose", it is leading a hometown board to a certain answer.

I'd suggest that the way the question was phrased is another indication of the homeristic nature of your base over there, and that such a poll over here would offer a few more realistic options...

You all have been talking about expectations of what 'boys fans think. If you make a post like that, it doesnt give much room for people to dispute.

No, the homer carefully constructed his poll to elicit homersitic responses... and he got them, didn't he??

If somebody put up a similarly ridiculous poll on this board, I'd pass on participating in it...

 

[DWelch1775]

wow, but they did beat us twice last year.

 

[silverbear]

Honestly guys

Why shouldn't many of the faithful in DC think the Commanders can and will win the Superbowl

Because such expectations are ridiculous...

It was painfully obvious the 2 major areas that needed to be improved on the team. Pressure from the d-line and another WR opposite of Moss

Oh, you guys had a FEW more pressing needs, that went unaddressed:

You're still screwed if you suffer an injury or two on the offensive line, in fact your depth there may well be WORSE than it was last year...

You have similarly serious depth problems in your defensive backfield...

As for addressing the pressure from the d-line, seems to me that all you did in that area was add a guy who has had exactly ONE good season as a pass rusher... that would be 2002, when he had 12.5 sacks... but in the three seasons since then, he's had 13 sacks in 38 games... that's like an average of 5 sacks per 16 game season...

The FO took it a step further, adding 2 WR's, a very good DE, and one of the best offensive minds in the game to already one of the most accomplished coaching staff's in NFL history

I like the additions at WR, am dubious whether or not Carter really is "a very good DE"... as for the coaching staff, yes, it's very good... but they won't be able to do a whole lot about the lack of depth on the team this year, if injuries strike... there's only so much a coaching staff can do when it comes to turning chicken s*** into chicken salad...

Are there potential weakness? You bet ya. Will Brunell last the whole year? If JC has to come in, can he handle the load? Can the team absorb an injury on the o-line (ala Randy Thomas last year, Jon Jansen 2004)

Ahhh, a realistic assessment... how refreshing, coming from a Skins fan...

You can call me crazy, and can laugh at this post in 7 months. But BARRING MAJOR INJURIES,

Oh, it won't take MAJOR INJURIES... all it will take is a "normal" quota of injuries... IOW, unless they get as lucky as they did last year in the injury department, they'll struggle badly when the injuries start to mount up...

Just think back to how completely impotent your offense was late last year, when Randy Thomas, then Ray Brown, got hurt... that's just two injuries to your offensive line, one of them a backup... but when those two went down, one after the other, well, let's just say that in your last 3 games (the regular season finale plus the two playoff games), y'all averaged 229.3 yards per game total, and averaged 3.9 yards per play...

Now, consider that y'all jettisoned Corey Raymer and had Ray Brown retire, and added Tyson Walter and Mike Pucillo... I never thought a lot of Raymer, but Walter and Pucillo are not better, and Brown is better than either of them... so from where I sit, the depth on the offensive line is worse, not better (at this point, it seems like Jim Molinaro is your ONLY backup at OT)...

I absolutley do expect a 4th Lombardi trophy in Washington in February.

Given that the Skins were a wild-card team that didn't even make it to the NFC championship game last year, that's a totally ridiculous, bordering on asinine, expectation...

Sorry if you find that insulting, but I can't think of any other way to characterize it... had you said you HOPE that the Skins could get there, and you THINK they have the ability to get the job done, that would have been one thing... but to EXPECT that??

Let's put it this way-- the Cowboys were THIS close to the Skins last year, talent-wise (the defensive and offensive stats prove that quite conclusively), and they had a MUCH better offseason when it comes to adding talent, and I'm not about to go predicting Super Bowls... my expectations are more REASONABLE, I expect the Boys to make the playoffs, and I believe they can win the NFC East, and I want them to win at least one playoff game...

And of course the matchup advantage I absolutley love. Gibbs, Saunders, Williams vs....

Oh yeah, 'cause those guys have won so many Super Bowls here lately...

ROTFLMAO...

 

[silverbear]

Sort of like how I fail to see replacing Payton with Palmer improves your team

Adding two average lineman helps out your o-line

Fabini shores up the RT position, which was a problem for the Boys last year... but he might not even start, if the progress that Rob Petitti has made this offseason leads to improved play from him... Kosier is the fill-in for Larry Allen, and is at least as good an offensive lineman as Allen has been the last coupla years... in fact, given that Kyle's strength is getting out on sweeps and screens, he might be a better fit for what the Cowboys are trying to do than Allen could hope to be at this late point in his career (keep in mind that I'm a big fan of Larry Allen, but the truth is he's gettin' old),,,

In addition, you talk as if that will be the only difference on the offensive line, which is most assuredly not the case... Flozell Adams will be back and healthy, after missing 10 games last year... Marc Colombo, a former first round draft pick by the Bears, is finally healthy, and able to get in a full offseason of conditioning... he has been drawing positive reviews for his work this offseason, and if he can avoid the injuries that have derailed his career to this point, the Boys might have a steal on their hands...

Al Johnson has finally put on some much-needed weight, added strength... he badly needed to do that coming out of college, and ordinarily would have been able to bulk up last offseason, but that time was dedicated to rehabbing his knee after microfracture surgery... and the ONLY thing that was wrong with Al last year was he could be moved off the ball by bigger nose tackles... he just wasn't real strong at the point of attack, but he was very good in every other area of offensive line play... greater bulk and strength this year should make him more effective at the point of attack...

And according to pundits (i.e guys on TV) Dallas' draft was nothing to write home about

Oh dear, Mel Kiper didn't like our draft... too bad for you that many other pundits (i.e., guys who write about football) rated the Cowboys as having one of the best drafts this year, and more important, virtually ALL of them had the Skins having one of the WORST drafts...

Did the Commanders not adress needs (LB, d-line depth) in the draft?

Probably not... they went for a slew of guys who were either injury prone in college, or had reps as lazy underachievers...

Is it wise to rely on a squad of unproven rookies and 2nd year players to take you to the promised land?

The Cowboys have a nice mix of veterans and youngsters... and many of their second year players can no longer be described as "unproven"...

But even if you were right about the Boys relying on "unproven rookies and 2nd year players", I'd personally say that approach is wiser than loading up on high priced starters, leaving you with an incredibly weak bench... the Skins' approach gambles heavily on the starters staying healthy; when that happens, they'll win some games, but if the injury bug bites, they'll struggle badly...

Jimmy Johnson said it best, you win in the NFL with TALENT... that means talent on the bench, too, and the Skins just don't have that... I don't care how good their coaches are, if they have to rely on the likes of Jim Molinaro, Tyson Walter, Mike Pucillo, Ike Ndukwe, Cedric Killings, Curry Burns, Ade Jimoh, Christian Morton, Dmitri Patterson, Jesse Lumsden and Jason Campbell (all or most of whom are likely to be your top backups at their respective positions), then you could put together a coaching staff of Hall of Famers, and you still wouldn't be able to win...

And of the 11 players on that list, there aren't more than 2 or 3 who could even make the Cowboys 53 man roster (Campbell and Jimoh would be the most likely candidates, I think, and I personally kinda like Ndukwe)...

 

[silverbear]

Its quite simple

Our moves addressed a significant weakness. No other option in the passing game

Can you honeslty say your moves improved your o-line?

Yes, I can... I spelled out why in another post in this thread...

But we improved a whole lot of other positions too-- WR is much better, or LBs are better, indeed we're better and deeper all across the defense...

(And to be fair, there is no your o-line can be any worse.

And yet, with that allegedly inferior offensive line, the Cowboys' offensive stats were VERY close the numbers the Skins put up... while our offensive line wasn't as good as we Cowboys fans want to see it, it simply wasn't as bad as you'd have us believe... and we have significantly revamped that OL this offseason...

 

[silverbear]

Why should we respect your offseason moves whenyou dont respect ours?
All i hear are cowboys fan talking about how we overpay players.
So what we pay them more then the average WR? If we're under thecap does it matter?

You bet it matters, it matters a LOT...

The problem with overpaying for free agents is that it leaves you less money to acquire solid DEPTH... so you're forced to bring like 70 undrafted rookie free agents in for tryouts in your first minicamp, like the Skins did (the Cowboys brought in fewer than 20 UDRFAs)...

Throwing major dollars at free agents year after year after year leaves you with a group of quality starters, but lousy depth... which means that you have to count on staying healthy to stay competitive... last year, you guys did just that, but it's rare that any team enjoys that kind of health (certainly, y'all didn't have the same kind of health the previous couple-three years)...

Yup, throwing mad money at players like Lloyd and Randle El and Archuleta is foolish cap management, plain and simple...

 

[RiggoForever]

You bet it matters, it matters a LOT...

The problem with overpaying for free agents is that it leaves you less money to acquire solid DEPTH... so you're forced to bring like 70 undrafted rookie free agents in for tryouts in your first minicamp, like the Skins did (the Cowboys brought in fewer than 20 UDRFAs)...

Throwing major dollars at free agents year after year after year leaves you with a group of quality starters, but lousy depth... which means that you have to count on staying healthy to stay competitive... last year, you guys did just that, but it's rare that any team enjoys that kind of health (certainly, y'all didn't have the same kind of health the previous couple-three years)...

Yup, throwing mad money at players like Lloyd and Randle El and Archuleta is foolish cap management, plain and simple...

And giving TO 8 million plus a year isn't?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

No, the homer carefully constructed his poll to elicit homersitic responses... and he got them, didn't he??

If somebody put up a similarly ridiculous poll on this board, I'd pass on participating in it...

I cant recall voting for any thread on ES recently.

You may pass on it but many of your brethren likely would not.

Homer or not, there has been plenty of SB talk around these parts recently. Unfortunately I have read only a few excerpts to judge from. But is seems quite clear that homerism is alive in every fan base.

 

[silverbear]

Amazing you guys had more talent but failed to make the playoff.

Well, we didn't have a LOT more talent, indeed I'd say your starters were better than ours, but our depth was superior (even then)...

The basic difference between our two teams laid not in the level of talent, but rather in the health of those teams... the Skins stayed really healthy right up to near the end of the season, the Boys lost key players starting in
week 6... in particular, our linebacking corps was just devastated, losing 2 starters (Dat Nguyen and Al Singleton), and at least one backup (Kalen Thornton) to IR...

Statistically, the Skins ranked 11th in total offense, the Boys ranked 13th... the Skins gained 5 more yards per game than the Boys did... defensively, the Skins ranked 9th, the Boys tenth... the Skins gave up 3 yards fewer per game than the Boys did...

That latter stat is even more impressive for the Boys when you factor in that they switched to a whole new defense last offseason, and integrated a whole slew of rookies into the D-- Marcus Spears, Chris Canty and DeMarcus Ware...

 

[silverbear]

Charles Mann put it best when Gibbs came back

The talent level will go down, but the wins will go up

Lose Coles, Smoot and Pierce in one offseason? Simple, improve by 4 games

BFD... you stay healthy, you win in the NFL... there really is nothing more to it than that...

Now, can you guys stay that healthy again this year?? I rather doubt it...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

So, you're saying that a lot of the posters at ES are on the stupid side??

I couldn't agree more... of course, that was the whole point of this thread in the first place, LOL...

The thing is, when somebody makes a stupid, homeristic post on this board, he generally gets reamed good... when somebody makes a similarly stupid, homeristic post on ES, it results in at least 5 pages of the most juvenile, ignorant homerism you're ever gonna see...

I think the basic difference between Cowboys fans and Skins fans who post online is that there are WAY too many relentlessly cynical people who call themselves Cowboys fans, and WAY too many mindless homers who never, ever utter a discouraging word about their favorite team who call themselves Skins fans...

To tell the truth, I wish there were more of the homers over here, I get real tired of the cynics' endless squawking... but I wouldn't want us to go as far as they do over at ES, or anywhere close to that...

BS. You love the cynics. Who are you kidding ? haha.

 

[silverbear]

So you watched every single sack of Andre Carter's 5 year career so far?

Nope, but I know that other than ONE season, in which he had 12.5 sacks, the guy has all of 19.5 sacks in 53 games played for the rest of his career... that's an average of fewer than 6 sacks per 16 games played...

So, it seems that because the guy had ONE good season, some 4 years ago, you think he can come into Washington and give y'all double digit sack totals for the next 5 or 6 years...

That's homerism, plain and simple... and of course, you guys will soon find out what the rest of the league knows-- Andre Carter is a liability against the run...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Well, we didn't have a LOT more talent, indeed I'd say your starters were better than ours, but our depth was superior (even then)...

The basic difference between our two teams laid not in the level of talent, but rather in the health of those teams... the Skins stayed really healthy right up to near the end of the season, the Boys lost key players starting in
week 6... in particular, our linebacking corps was just devastated, losing 2 starters (Dat Nguyen and Al Singleton), and at least one backup (Kalen Thornton) to IR...

Statistically, the Skins ranked 11th in total offense, the Boys ranked 13th... the Skins gained 5 more yards per game than the Boys did... defensively, the Skins ranked 9th, the Boys tenth... the Skins gave up 3 yards fewer per game than the Boys did...

That latter stat is even more impressive for the Boys when you factor in that they switched to a whole new defense last offseason, and integrated a whole slew of rookies into the D-- Marcus Spears, Chris Canty and DeMarcus Ware...

Yet who played more than 16 games ?

and dont talk about depth. The Cowboys lack of depth is what got them reeling to begin with.

 

[silverbear]

wow, but they did beat us twice last year.

Which means less than nothing this year... just like that lengthy winning streak against them didn't mean jack for us last year...

 

[silverbear]

And giving TO 8 million plus a year isn't?

Not when he's only gonna hit the cap for about 5 mil a season, thanks to the way the contract is structured, and he can be cut at any time if he causes problems...

And not when the Boys were sittin' nearly 20 million under the salary cap... they had the room to make a splash, and still add quality depth at other positions...

For sure, signing TO for what we paid him was a more productive move than signing Randle El and Lloyd for what you paid them... and I purely loathe TO...