Commish: Roethlisberger violated league policy

[Mr Cowboy]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10108/1051441-66.stm

Pretty good article on this discussion!

 

[Angus]

I believe that there is 512 page investigative report sitting at the NFL offices that says it is more than a "he said, she said."

The DA was asked by the family of the victim to not prosecute the case. The Da probably did not think he could get a conviction without the cooperation of the victim.

I think there are plenty of facts in the case, in the investigative report.

Maybe someone can find it online somewhere and provide the link. It should be an interesting read.

Try the smoking gun

http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...t&cd=1&ved=0CAgQBSgA&q=roethlisberger&spell=1

 

[dcowboysfan76]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10108/1051441-66.stm

Pretty good article on this discussion!

Amazing how the article said He(Rapistberger) and his bar hopping friends....Makes him sound like a predator IMO

 

[MapleLeaf]

Anybody can be accused of things.

This is where Roger just needs to back off. Until Big Ben gets proven guilty of something he should just back off.

What if this same thing happens to Peyton Manning? Are you going to suspend him just for being accused?

...it is acceptable under the personal conduct policy to reprimand a player for a pattern of behavior.

Note...pattern of behavior. No one said it was criminal, what is important is the league is attempting to establish the proper conduct for its employees in the public and private domain that is befitting members of an elite club.

Members who purely derive their income from the pockets of fans who are encouraged to watch them through marketing efforts of their head office.

If Peyton was caught in bars and accused of rape, but not guilty in more than one case then I would say "yes" to his suspension also.

It has nothing to do with being guilty and everything to do with being "stupid". The league will suspend you if you behave in a irresponsible and cavalier (stupid) manner with regards to the personal conduct policy.

The only reason why I believe Jerry Jones didn't get the whip was many of his comments were contradictory. He was clearly drunk and making comments about specific members of the league, but since they were contradictory in their inflammatory nature he was let off.

My personal opinion, he should have had some form of repercussions. If only to let the rest of the league know that even that type of behavior contravenes the conduct code.

 

[zrinkill]

Is this a misguided attempt at humor?

No ..... he is just that much of a **** bag.

 

[MapleLeaf]

true dat

the fact she bled (if true) could mean that it was just rough sex (probable) or she lost her virginity that night (highly unlikely)

some of the posters here really need to get off their high horse

...you need to stop while you are ahead.

If you put all of your posts on this thread and stood before a bunch of women and young school aged girls you would have trouble expressing those comments out loud.

It's not a high horse to expect an multi millionaire professional sports athlete protected by a circle of off duty law enforcement personnel to do something much more respectable than what occurred in the bar that night.

And for the record I didn't state the "r" word in the previous sentence.

You are (insert any NFL starting QB's name here) you don't need to have anything to do with a girl who is drunk. You don't even need to have her at your table. There tons of other girls who would sit down and talk to you sober.

Being sober they might not consent to having sex with you, but it's a tough life when you can't get your way without alcohol.

It's not a high horse here. It's the right horse the faster we can acknowledge that the better society is for it.

 

[zrinkill]

It's not a high horse here. It's the right horse.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

No ..... he is just that much of a **** bag.

Would you just look at the language you use? Would you use that kind of language in front of your mom . . . oh, you do?

tsk-tsk-tsk

 

[Galian Beast]

I'm in the US Army, and if you're in a bathroom having sex with a girl who is drunk and is only 18 years old, you've already warranted getting an article 15. Which is punishment under the uniform code of military justice.

Loss of money, rank, and extra duty.

 

[jobberone]

He won't be punished for rape. That would have to be an indefinite suspension likely lifetime. He's going to be punished for drawing adverse attention to the league and for the behavior of having sex behind guarded doors while plying a minor with alcohol. IOWs his stupidity is going to get him axed for a few games.

 

[Hostile]

I'm in the US Army, and if you're in a bathroom having sex with a girl who is drunk and is only 18 years old, you've already warranted getting an article 15. Which is punishment under the uniform code of military justice.

Loss of money, rank, and extra duty.

She was 20, but it is a valid point.

 

[BrassCowboy]

When a pattern starts to develop than time for backing off tends to be just trying to brush the problem under the rug IMO.

Furthermore one has to wonder what would have happened if that surveillance tape would not have erased or taped over which seems to be controversial at worst.

If it was the first time it happened, if there have not been other incidents that have raised questions...maybe it would be different.

But with other things in the past coming to light and this current incident...if it happened again and he was found guilty the NFL would have serious egg on it's face for doing nothing...heck IMO they would have serious egg on their face if they did nothing right now...whether something happened later or not.

One does not have to break the law or be found guilty in a court of law for the league to impose a fine or suspension. The NFL is a business and part of the business is to protect the image of itself. They players understand this. There are rules and regulations that need to be applied to. Certain drugs that are not illegal in the civilian world still hold problems for players as an example.

So...he should be suspended and not suspending him would actually be the proverbial crime IMO.

Again you do not have to be found guilty in a court of law to be suspended or fined in the NFL. People seem to think you do, but you don't.

very well said.

Ben should be taken out back, flogged, stricken with a bamboo shoot, and left in a dark alley far away. That should teach him.

but seriously, it is a pattern and innocent til proven guilty is for the courts and its criminal justice system, not in the real world of business.

NFL has an image to uphold, if some guy making millions can't keep his nose clean while working for the NFL, like most of us earning an hourly wage do, then maybe a little discipline is in order. Keep repeating it, then consider yourself lucky if you keep your job.

 

[Gzus]

Big Ben needs to grow up and keep it in his pants. He probably got pissed because the girl said no and but he wanted it anyways. She probably started to sober up, the beer goggle started to clear up and she saw his real "unimpaired" face.

 

[zrinkill]

Would you just look at the language you use? Would you use that kind of language in front of your mom . . . oh, you do?

tsk-tsk-tsk

You have no clue what I said troll

I screen myself .... I do not let the feature do it.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I think a suspension will be between 4 and 6 weeks

 

[zrinkill]

I think a suspension will be between 4 and 6 weeks

I hope .... but I doubt it.

 

[Gzus]

I hope .... but I doubt it.

If I was the commish I'd suspend him for 8 weeks. For the NFL's image, crimes or acts against women should not be tolerated and a purported sex crime should be handled with an iron fist. If you don't properly punish this then the children who hold these athletes in high esteem will think that treating women like trash is ok. Bill Parcells isn't the one that ain't worth ****, Big Ben is the one that ain't worth **** nor the paper that wipes it.

 

[Hoofbite]

Anybody can be accused of things.

This is where Roger just needs to back off. Until Big Ben gets proven guilty of something he should just back off.

What if this same thing happens to Peyton Manning? Are you going to suspend him just for being accused?

I was right there with you until they came out and said:

"We aren't going to prosecute but...............

Here is every shred of evidence that says this guy is guilty and the only reason he is getting off is because he has money and will be able to pay his way out."

Once that happened, it didn't matter if he charged or not. The guy is a rapist.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

If Ben is not charged, then what exactly is he getting suspended for? By law, hes innocent. Case closed. Kaput. Next.

Is it because he had sex with a drunk girl?(that doesnt seem to warrant suspension) Or just being accused gets u suspended? there must be something else to it. I Just haven't cared enough to be updated so I probably missed something.

 

[Gzus]

I was right there with you until they came out and said:

"We aren't going to prosecute but...............

Here is every shred of evidence that says this guy is guilty and the only reason he is getting off is because he has money and will be able to pay his way out."

Once that happened, it didn't matter if he charged or not. The guy is a rapist.

Yeah they really really wanted to prosecute him as you can see with a police report of 500+ pages. There is yet to be any formal denial of the incident but 500+ pages of evidence proving there was some form of indiscretion. In my mind and I would have to say 90% of people's minds the guy is a rapist. If I were a club I wouldn't even let the guy in now for fear of an incident.