Commish: Roethlisberger violated league policy

[Hoofbite]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ben initially deny having any sort of sex with her?

 

[Gzus]

If Ben is not charged, then what exactly is he getting suspended for? By law, hes innocent. Case closed. Kaput. Next.

Is it because he had sex with a drunk girl?(that doesnt seem to warrant suspension) Or just being accused gets u suspended? there must be something else to it. I Just haven't cared enough to be updated so I probably missed something.

It is a pattern of behavior that reflects poor decision making that negatively impacts the image of the NFL, the Steelers, and NFL players. Doesn't have to be convicted of anything. NFL Personal Conduct Policy stipulates that the player does not have to be charged or committed of a crime to be held accountable for his actions. All it means is that he's a great rapist that knows how to cover his tracks and get rid of evidence. He should still be held accountable.

 

[CATCH17]

I was right there with you until they came out and said:

"We aren't going to prosecute but...............

Here is every shred of evidence that says this guy is guilty and the only reason he is getting off is because he has money and will be able to pay his way out."

Once that happened, it didn't matter if he charged or not. The guy is a rapist.

But if he is not charged of anything and nothing is proven than I dont think Goodell should have the power to suspend him just for his name being brought up in a negative way.

If this happens then the next player who gets accused of something, whether it true or not, should be suspended as well.

So basically dont go out to a club because if you do and someone accuses you of something than you are suspended.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

...you need to stop while you are ahead.

If you put all of your posts on this thread and stood before a bunch of women and young school aged girls you would have trouble expressing those comments out loud.

It's not a high horse to expect an multi millionaire professional sports athlete protected by a circle of off duty law enforcement personnel to do something much more respectable than what occurred in the bar that night.

And for the record I didn't state the "r" word in the previous sentence.

You are (insert any NFL starting QB's name here) you don't need to have anything to do with a girl who is drunk. You don't even need to have her at your table. There tons of other girls who would sit down and talk to you sober.

Being sober they might not consent to having sex with you, but it's a tough life when you can't get your way without alcohol.

It's not a high horse here. It's the right horse the faster we can acknowledge that the better society is for it.

I would say exactly the same words because I say what I feel, no one ever has to know what I think, I wear my heart on my sleeve. Whether he needs them to be drunk or not is beside the point. We also do not know how drunk she was, was it one drink, two etc. Who knows.

I hate Roethlisberger as much as the next guy but the way some of you are acting, he should be suspended, well just because.

None of us know what happened other than the fact, she didn't want to prosecute, he was not convicted nor charged either now or before.

I know this much, very few of you would be calling for a suspension if it were a Cowboy who was not charged for acts no one really knows happened, whether they were consensual or not etc.

Goodell is trying to run the NFL which is full of major bad,,,,, and others that are on the fringe of the right side of the law like it is one with high moral standards. It's modern day gladiator fights with pads. He should realize it. No one is going to stop watching whether he suspends him or not. The NFL brand is not being tarnished. Everyone knows there are criminal types, bad behaviour, sex parties, drug use etc. We know and accept it, or forget about it for six hours on Sunday afternoons.

Always have, always will. Thus is NFL fan made.

You can all pontificate all you want, but at the end of the day, if Ben were a Cowboy, you would still want him to play for us, you wouldn't care just like you didn't care when Irvin got in trouble, when Deion Sanders was doing his best porn star imitation etc

Acting like off field behaviour means much in the overall scheme of things on Sunday is naive.

If I told you that we would win a SB for five straight years but 80% of the team were satanist criminals, I am pretty sure at least half of you couldn't care less, all you would want is the SB.

I guess I could take the easy position, rip him a new one, say Robespierre and his code of virtue is fine and dandy but not going to happen regardless of the consequences.

The NFL is what it is, pro athletes are what they are, no matter what bleating happens, that will not change.

 

[5Stars]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ben initially deny having any sort of sex with her?

Yeah, and the checks in the mail, too!

 

[Gzus]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ben initially deny having any sort of sex with her?

His attorney/PR denied the entire incident. Then they come out and say yeah he had consensual sex. A denial then admittance of the event even taking place should be enough to call anything he, or his people, claim in to question.

 

[CATCH17]

It is a pattern of behavior that reflects poor decision making that negatively impacts the image of the NFL, the Steelers, and NFL players. Doesn't have to be convicted of anything. NFL Personal Conduct Policy stipulates that the player does not have to be charged or committed of a crime to be held accountable for his actions. All it means is that he's a great rapist that knows how to cover his tracks and get rid of evidence. He should still be held accountable.

If the legal system cant do it than Sherlock Goodell has no right to jump on his high horse and do it either.

As of today Big Ben is innocent and Goodell should respect that.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

But if he is not charged of anything and nothing is proven than I dont think Goodell should have the power to suspend him just for his name being brought up in a negative way.

If this happens then the next player who gets accused of something, whether it true or not, should be suspended as well.

So basically dont go out to a club because if you do and someone accuses you of something than you are suspended.

mmm, maybe we could do that to McNabb, Rodgers and other QBs we play next year, get a few girls in Dallas to accuse them of stuff

All kidding aside, I agree with you. If you aren't accused, how can Robespierre get involved. Just because you are accused, doesn't mean you broke any rules. To say well don't put yourself in that situation is silly as what do you expect the young guys to be, hermits?

 

[CATCH17]

mmm, maybe we could do that to McNabb, Rodgers and other QBs we play next year, get a few girls in Dallas to accuse them of stuff

All kidding aside, I agree with you. If you aren't accused, how can Robespierre get involved. Just because you are accused, doesn't mean you broke any rules. To say well don't put yourself in that situation is silly as what do you expect the young guys to be, hermits?

Good idea but you have to be the accuser.

 

[Gzus]

But if he is not charged of anything and nothing is proven than I dont think Goodell should have the power to suspend him just for his name being brought up in a negative way.

If this happens then the next player who gets accused of something, whether it true or not, should be suspended as well.

So basically dont go out to a club because if you do and someone accuses you of something than you are suspended.

Again, it's because of Big Ben's pattern of behavior and I'm sure Goodell is taking into account the 500+ page police report. Accusal is one thing but a police & GBI investigation really says there is something more to it than just a silly little girl crying wolf. 2 cases in 9 months and another that has been rumored, that's a bad pattern of behavior.

 

[CATCH17]

Again, it's because of Big Ben's pattern of behavior and I'm sure Goodell is taking into account the 500+ page police report. Accusal is one thing but a police & GBI investigation really says there is something more to it than just a silly little girl crying wolf. 2 cases in 9 months and another that has been rumored, that's a bad pattern of behavior.

500+ page police report wasnt enough to convict him of anything was it?

Maybe it was big font?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

His attorney/PR denied the entire incident. Then they come out and say yeah he had consensual sex. A denial then admittance of the event even taking place should be enough to call anything he, or his people, claim in to question.

Are you sure he didn't deny allegation he dragged her into the bathroom and raped her?

 

[Gzus]

If the legal system cant do it than Sherlock Goodell has no right to jump on his high horse and do it either.

As of today Big Ben is innocent and Goodell should respect that.

Sure so Big Ben should not be punished cause he's one damn good rapist that can cover his tracks well enough not to be indicted.... Yeah no. There are plenty of murderers and rapists and child molesters that aren't convicted because of technicalities and lack of evidence does that mean that they are free to roam the world and murder, rape, and molest? No it shouldn't happen that way and they should be disciplined. Same concept should apply here.
People would have no problem if a guy gets fired from his job for molesting a coworker but is never indicted. So what's the difference? Nothing.

 

[Hoofbite]

But if he is not charged of anything and nothing is proven than I dont think Goodell should have the power to suspend him just for his name being brought up in a negative way.

If this happens then the next player who gets accused of something, whether it true or not, should be suspended as well.

So basically dont go out to a club because if you do and someone accuses you of something than you are suspended.

No. Basically don't **** someone in a dingy bathroom at a bar.

Guess if that's too much to ask, go ahead and throw back all that bonus money and get a 9-5 like the rest of us.

I'm telling ya, I was right there with you on that issue about Roger not doing anything without a formal charge.

I didn't think they would spill the beans. I thought they would just refuse to charge him and it would get swept under the rug.

Didn't happen. In fact, I think PR-wise, not being charged but having all the evidence thrown into the open is worse than him being charged and beating the case.

Everyone thinks he's a rapist. Him not being charged doesn't matter.

 

[5Stars]

If the legal system cant do it than Sherlock Goodell has no right to jump on his high horse and do it either.

As of today Big Ben is innocent and Goodell should respect that.

Dude! THIS HAS HAPPENED TWICE TO THE FOOL!!!

How do you not get the meaning of NFL punishment in order to not let this type of behavior (guilty or not) reflect on the NFL to the general public?

If the punk would have not gotten himself in a position to BE ACCUSED, then this would not happen! UNDERSTAND THAT, OR NO?

How many other starting QB's in the NFL are being accused of stuff like this?

Name me one or two.

None, because most are not as dumb as this clown.

How old are you, anyway?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Sure so Big Ben should not be punished cause he's one damn good rapist that can cover his tracks well enough not to be indicted.... Yeah no. There are plenty of murderers and rapists and child molesters that aren't convicted because of technicalities and lack of evidence does that mean that they are free to roam the world and murder, rape, and molest? No it shouldn't happen that way and they should be disciplined. Same concept should apply here.
People would have no problem if a guy gets fired from his job for molesting a coworker but is never indicted. So what's the difference? Nothing.

Well there is a difference, she isn't a coworker. Second, you are assuming the molesting was proven even if he was not charged (although you cannot molest an adult but so be it). Third, he was not not convicted due to technicallity, he wasn't even charged, big difference.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

500+ page police report wasnt enough to convict him of anything was it?

Maybe it was big font?

I have seen big police reports that say nothing.

In the end, if the DA thought could convict, would have. Pure and simple.

 

[Cover 2]

500+ page police report wasnt enough to convict him of anything was it?

Maybe it was big font?

Your logic is absurd. He obviously did it, and even you said yourself you think he did it. He should be suspended. You're saying he shouldn't be suspended just because he has off-duty cops that know how to cover rapes up? Because I'm guessing his bodyguards (you know the off-duty cops?) have given him tips on beating rape charges. Especially since one helped him cover the crime up by keeping the girl's friends out of the bathroom while he assaulted her. The assault that caused her to bleed. But I guess all sex causes girls to bleed down there right?

 

[CATCH17]

Dude! THIS HAS HAPPENED TWICE TO THE FOOL!!!

How do you not get the meaning of NFL punishment in order to not let this type of behavior (guilty or not) reflect on the NFL to the general public?

If the punk would have not gotten himself in a position to BE ACCUSED, then this would not happen! UNDERSTAND THAT, OR NO?

How many other starting QB's in the NFL are being accused of stuff like this?

Name me one or two.

None, because most are not as dumb as this clown.

How old are you, anyway?

Old enough to know 20 year old girls flock to famous guys like its nothing.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I know what the accusations are. I just dont know if it really happened or not.

I personally think it did but if the legal system doesn't think there is enough there to do anything then I dont understand how judge judy goodell finds enough to warrant a punishment.

You do realize the difference between a personal conduct policy and commiting a crime, right???

They are not the same thing.