Commish: Roethlisberger violated league policy

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't like Goodell.

all this Goodell love made me a little sick.

I think he is trying too hard too fast to establish his legacy as commisioner.

To each their own. If trying to hard, to fast, to establish his legacy leads to more and more players being smarter and smarter about their actions off the field then it's A Ok in my book.

 

[Angus]

I would say exactly the same words because I say what I feel, no one ever has to know what I think, I wear my heart on my sleeve. Whether he needs them to be drunk or not is beside the point. We also do not know how drunk she was, was it one drink, two etc. Who knows.

I hate Roethlisberger as much as the next guy but the way some of you are acting, he should be suspended, well just because.

None of us know what happened other than the fact, she didn't want to prosecute, he was not convicted nor charged either now or before.

I know this much, very few of you would be calling for a suspension if it were a Cowboy who was not charged for acts no one really knows happened, whether they were consensual or not etc.

Goodell is trying to run the NFL which is full of major bad,,,,, and others that are on the fringe of the right side of the law like it is one with high moral standards. It's modern day gladiator fights with pads. He should realize it. No one is going to stop watching whether he suspends him or not. The NFL brand is not being tarnished. Everyone knows there are criminal types, bad behaviour, sex parties, drug use etc. We know and accept it, or forget about it for six hours on Sunday afternoons.

Always have, always will. Thus is NFL fan made.

You can all pontificate all you want, but at the end of the day, if Ben were a Cowboy, you would still want him to play for us, you wouldn't care just like you didn't care when Irvin got in trouble, when Deion Sanders was doing his best porn star imitation etc

Acting like off field behaviour means much in the overall scheme of things on Sunday is naive.

If I told you that we would win a SB for five straight years but 80% of the team were satanist criminals, I am pretty sure at least half of you couldn't care less, all you would want is the SB.

I guess I could take the easy position, rip him a new one, say Robespierre and his code of virtue is fine and dandy but not going to happen regardless of the consequences.

The NFL is what it is, pro athletes are what they are, no matter what bleating happens, that will not change.

Spoken like a Barrister. It is certainly true that many arguments in this forum would change if it were a current Cowboy player - a very important one - caught in the same net, just as 'The White House' shenanigans didn't produce a call here for the team to be decimated for the good of the NFL.

But what's right is right no matter whose ox is gored by it.

Incidentally, this post, despite its display of your usual turpitude, is the most sensible one from you I can recall.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Spoken like a Barrister. It is certainly true that many arguments in this forum would change if it were a current Cowboy player - a very important one - caught in the same net, just as 'The White House' shenanigans didn't produce a call here for the team to be decimated for the good of the NFL.

But what's right is right no matter whose ox is gored by it.

Incidentally, this post, despite its display of your usual turpitude, is the most sensible one from you I can recall.

I don't think this particular forum was around when The White House was around and a part of the Cowboys Dynasty culture so trying to use that as proof that no one would say anything about it is guessing, at best.

Not to mention that the league conduct policy wasn't the strict nature back then as it is now. If the policy was back then, what it is now, with Roger there to enforce it you can bet that quite a few Cowboys players would have found themselves on suspensions and rightfully so.

 

[Bleu Star]

Anybody can be accused of things.

This is where Roger just needs to back off. Until Big Ben gets proven guilty of something he should just back off.

What if this same thing happens to Peyton Manning? Are you going to suspend him just for being accused?

Last thing I knew Payton hadn't ever ridden a motorcycle as an organ donor (without a helmet) or ever been accused of any subversive behavior *COUGH SEXUAL ASSAULT* in the company of the ladies. As another poster so eloquently put it, where there's smoke there's fire. Roger shouldn't back off of anything... Ben makes extremely questionable decisions and thinks he's above reproach. That's bull**** in my book.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

But multiple forays into clubs to hit on and have sex with drunk college students is a pattern of unethical behavior. Multiple allegations of sexual misconduct all within the last year is a pattern of unethical if not risky behavior. Big Ben should be punished and he will be. And in my mind he will be forever known as Ben Ruthlessraper.

in what world?

 

[Four]

in what world?

he got her drunk and followed her into a bathroom.

Stop making him out to be something he isn't, don't twist the facts to make a saint out of a scumbag.

your position is rahtarded, and you don't back it up at all, you just keep proving you have taken advantage of drunk chicks before.

 

[Bleu Star]

Yeah.. Let's just wait until there's a 3rd accusation... Then a 4th.. Then a 5th.. until he is eventually out of the NFL and can no longer conveniently cover them up under the cloak of his awesomeness.

Eventually he won't be able to pay those bodyguards and he'll get caught. We'll hear about it after his NFL career is long over. Lame as hell. **** this guy.

 

[Hostile]

in what world?

The world where you sign a personal services contract with the NFL and it has a "personal conduct policy."

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Going by your values, a player could be on trial for murder. After being found not guilty, he could admit to the murder. He was found not guilty, so therefore he couldn't be suspended.

That is not true, he has not admitted to anything other than having sex with her.

 

[Jarv]

in what world?

The moral one, when is your daughter going to be 18 ?

 

[Bleu Star]

in what world?

The world where your daughter becomes mince meat whether she likes it or not once she turns 18 because she's a female that can't get beyond two big bodyguards and an idiot with the charm of a bottle of this:

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Can someone please show me this personal conduct policy? Does it say what you can and cannot do or is the right or wrong just a creation of Goodell's mind?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Can someone please show me this personal conduct policy? Does it say what you can and cannot do or is that just a creation of Goodell's mind?

Basically you can't bring bad publicity to the league by your actions. Being found guilty in a court of law or not.

A clause called conduct detrimental to the league.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Basically you can't bring bad publicity to the league by your actions. Being found guilty in a court of law or not.

So as I suspected, really vague and Goodell gets to decide what is bad publicity or not.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So as I suspected, really vague and Goodell gets to decide what is bad publicity or not.

Pretty much. But a ****-storm in the media is pretty easy to recognize as being bad publicity.

 

[Bleu Star]

Can someone please show me this personal conduct policy? Does it say what you can and cannot do or is the right or wrong just a creation of Goodell's mind?

Wow... Really? Google is your friend............

General policy

Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League. Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the League depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator.

The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.

Persons covered by policy

The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities; (iii) all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL college draft; and (iv) all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a Club concerning employment.

Prohibited conduct

It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.

Persons charged with criminal activity

Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo a consultation and additional counseling as directed. Failure to comply with the consultation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.

Disposition of the criminal proceeding

Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League. Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a second criminal violation will be suspended without pay or banished for a period of time to be determined by the Commissioner.

Persons engaged in violent activity in the workplace

Every employee is entitled to a safe and professional workplace free of criminal behavior, violence and threats against personal safety. Criminal conduct in the workplace or against other employees is prohibited. Any Covered Person who commits or threatens violent acts against co-workers, regardless of whether an arrest is made or criminal charges are brought, shall be subject to evaluation, counseling and discipline, including termination of employment.

Duty to report prohibited conduct

To ensure the effective administration of the policy, the League must be advised when a Covered Person engages in Prohibited Conduct. The obligation to report an arrest or criminal charge extends to both the person involved and to the Club or League entity for which he or she works.

When a person subject to this policy is arrested or charged with Prohibited Conduct, that information must be reported to the Club and NFL Security. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in the final determination of discipline under this policy.

Appeal rights

Any person disciplined under this policy shall have a right of appeal, including a hearing, before the Commissioner or his designee. Except for the enforcement of a suspension, no other requirements set forth in the policy will be stayed pending the completion of the appeal.

There's some gray area built in most likely for the purpose of allowing the commish to use his best judgment on a case by case basis. As stated before by someone else, where there's smoke there's fire. Put it out before you have a full scale inferno on your hands Roger.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2798214

“pattern of behavior” and “bad judgments"

“The issue here is with respect to a pattern of behavior and bad judgments,” Goodell said. “You do not have to be convicted or even charged with a crime to be able to demonstrate that you’ve violated a personal-conduct policy, and reflect poorly not only on themselves, but all of their teammates, every NFL player in the league, and everyone associated with the NFL. That is what my concern is, and I have expressed that directly to Ben, obviously, and I’ll be making a decision as soon as I possibly can.”

http://www.steelersgab.com/2010/04/...r-violated-the-nfl’s-personal-conduct-policy/

Take your time commish.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Pretty much. But a ****-storm in the media is pretty easy to recognize as being bad publicity.

I wonder what Robespierre would have done to Irvin if he had been around in the 1990s. I shudder at the thought.

 

[Hostile]

Rape allegations and cover ups are not bad publicity?

Holy haven't got a clue how to use my own head for other than something to keep my ears from slamming together.

 

[Gzus]

in what world?

in my world and in the minds of many other stand up guys.... IMO a man should not have to grease a woman with alcohol until she's drunk to have sex and it is unethical to take advantage of people when they are intoxicated like Ruthlessraper has. I don't know maybe it's just me and the way I was raised....

 

[Four]

in my world and in the minds of many other stand up guys.... IMO a man should not have to grease a woman with alcohol until she's drunk to have sex and it is unethical to take advantage of people when they are intoxicated like Ruthlessraper has. I don't know maybe it's just me and the way I was raised....

I disagree with just about everything you say, but this is 100 percent truth.


Dudes who get chicks plastered and take advantage of them aren't worth the air they breath.

And to be that rich and still be "that guy" does indeed reflect horribly on him and on the league.