*CONFIRMED post #238, pg 16* Tank Johnson Would Be Available to Us In Week 9

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sometimes its just better to listen when everyone says you are wrong, because usually you are


http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx

• Persons Covered by Policy
• The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities; (iii) all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL College Draft; and (iv) all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a Club concerning employment.

• Persons Charged With Criminal Activity
• Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo an immediate, mandatory clinical evaluation and, if directed, appropriate counseling. Such evaluation and counseling must be performed under the direction and supervision of the NFL Vice President of Player and Employee Development. Failure to cooperate with evaluation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.

that only means that the suspensions can only be handed out to players under contract and has nothing to do with how the suspensions are handled.

 

[theogt]

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx

• Persons Covered by Policy
• The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities; (iii) all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL College Draft; and (iv) all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a Club concerning employment.

• Persons Charged With Criminal Activity
• Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo an immediate, mandatory clinical evaluation and, if directed, appropriate counseling. Such evaluation and counseling must be performed under the direction and supervision of the NFL Vice President of Player and Employee Development. Failure to cooperate with evaluation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.

I have no idea whether the suspension starts in Week 1 or when he is signed with a team, but it's pretty clear that this information has nothing to do with the issue.

The information you're posting deals with who is covered by the conduct policy, not with the issue we're discussing.

 

[iceberg]

that only means that the suspensions can only be handed out to players under contract and has nothing to do with how the suspensions are handled.

so while you're digging this hole of monumental stupidity, if a person is NOT under contract with the NFL, how can they *legally* serve a suspension FOR the NFL?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ooooooooooo - you didn't provide a quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well if i give a quote from an official press release and all you guys have is your opinion then Ill go with the official press release. Im just looking for some evidence that the situation has changed.

 

[WoodysGirl]

im looking in the CBA and am finding nothing concerning how suspensions are handled. And the language is very clear is stating the first 8 games of the season. Isee zero evidence that it would require him to be under contract.

I've read articles which state that any team that signs him, will have to wait at least 8 games before he can play. Not the first 8 weeks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so while you're digging this hole of monumental stupidity, if a person is NOT under contract with the NFL, how can they *legally* serve a suspension FOR the NFL?

/yawn.

Ice those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

The press release says very clearly that its the first 8 games and it says nothing about contingencies. He could be banned from the league for that time who knows but Im looking for something that says a contract is a prereq for a suspension.

 

[theogt]

I've read articles which state that any team that signs him, will have to wait at least 8 games before he can play. Not the first 8 weeks.

Presumably these articles are written by journalists that know about as much about the CBA, other contractual relationships, and the legal issues involved as you and me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've read articles which state that any team that signs him, will have to wait at least 8 games before he can play. Not the first 8 weeks.

Im actually looking for something that says that WG and all i am finding are blogs which ahs as much cred as well as iceberg.

 

[iceberg]

well if i give a quote from an official press release and all you guys have is your opinion then Ill go with the official press release. Im just looking for some evidence that the situation has changed.

no, i said give me a quote that says so *after* he was cut by the bears. all the quotes you've given me says he'll come back by game X against team Z (6 or 8 game suspension) but if he's not on a team how can he serve a suspension?

99% of us are happy playing with our common sense. you wanna get all anal about it - then *you* go do your own homework before accusing people of misinformation.

 

[iceberg]

/yawn.

Ice those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

The press release says very clearly that its the first 8 games and it says nothing about contingencies. He could be banned from the league for that time who knows but Im looking for something that says a contract is a prereq for a suspension.

and is he a "chicago bear" at the time of the press release? if yes, then game over. if no, then you may have a point. till then, keep digging cause i'm ok with common sense kicking in here.

 

[theogt]

so while you're digging this hole of monumental stupidity, if a person is NOT under contract with the NFL, how can they *legally* serve a suspension FOR the NFL?

Why couldn't they?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, i said give me a quote that says so *after* he was cut by the bears. all the quotes you've given me says he'll come back by game X against team Z (6 or 8 game suspension) but if he's not on a team how can he serve a suspension?

99% of us are happy playing with our common sense. you wanna get all anal about it - then *you* go do your own homework before accusing people of misinformation.

Its not common sense. Its an arbitrary contractual issue.

Again the language by the clubs press release was explicit about the first 8 games of the season and Ive seen no evidence other than your BS to contradict that.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Im actually looking for something that says that WG and all i am finding are blogs which ahs as much cred as well as iceberg.

Some blogs are more credible than others, Fuzzy. Are you referring to this one?

Has Tank Johnson Played His Last Game?
Posted Jun 26th 2007 7:37AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: Bears, NFL Gossip, NFL Rumors, Chicago, NFL Free Agency, NFL Police Blotter

Now that the Chicago Bears have severed ties with their oft-arrested defensive tackle, Tank Johnson, let's look ahead: Will another team pick him up?

Any of the 31 NFL teams can make a waiver claim and pick up Johnson for the same salary he would have made with the Bears this year. It is extremely unlikely that any team will do that, if for no other reason than the terrible PR. That means Johnson will become an unrestricted free agent.

At that point, any team that would consider signing him to a free-agent deal would have to consider the fact that he'd be suspended for the first eight games that he's under contract. As Pro Football Talk notes, some players who have faced a looming suspension have had their careers ended because no team wants to sign a player and then wait for his suspension to play out before he gets on the field.

That means there's less than a 50-50 chance Johnson will play in 2007. By 2008 it's possible that the league could reinstate him even if he hasn't signed with anyone, but that's no sure thing. And even then, would any team sign him after he had sat out a full year?

And then there's the question of whether he could stay out of trouble for a full year of unemployment. Everything we know about him indicates that he couldn't. So, the bottom line is that there's a very good chance that Tank Johnson will never play another down in the NFL. I wonder if wherever he had to get to so fast at 3:30 Friday morning was worth it.

 

[theogt]

Its not common sense. Its an arbitrary contractual issue.

Again the language by the clubs press release was explicit about the first 8 games of the season and Ive seen no evidence other than your BS to contradict that.

It doesn't matter what the press release says or what some random article says. Neither are legal authority.

 

[Idgit]

im looking in the CBA and am finding nothing concerning how suspensions are handled. And the language is very clear is stating the first 8 games of the season. Isee zero evidence that it would require him to be under contract.

You're not going to have much luck looking in the CBA to see how suspensions for people WHO ARE NOT IN THE LEAGUE are handled.

That said, I don't have a shred of evidence that supports my assumption that the CBA doesn't apply to all Americans. I'm looking for a link, though.

 

[iceberg]

Why couldn't they?

how can you serve a suspension to an organization you're not a part of?

Its not common sense. Its an arbitrary contractual issue.

Again the language by the clubs press release was explicit about the first 8 games of the season and Ive seen no evidence other than your BS to contradict that.

clubs press release? you mean chicago when he WAS a bear? are you even READING what people are telling you? not just me, but hos, and several others have tried to explain it to you but as usual, you get mindset and there's only 1 light out there for you to find and prove.

get after it cause i don't care.

i can't serve a suspension to the NFL cause i'm not *under contract* to the NFL. tank johson today is NOT a member of the NFL. how in the name of unholy norse gods can you serve a suspension to an organization you're not even a member of?

 

[Hostile]

that only means that the suspensions can only be handed out to players under contract and has nothing to do with how the suspensions are handled.

Who is he under contract with right now?

Free Agent ring a bell?

 

[AbeBeta]

We had this discussion last year regarding Marcus Coleman and why we didn't cut him when he got suspended.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

If Spears sucks that badly that we try to trade him and pick up T. Johnson, for a really cheap price, I would hope the cowboys would try to get him.

We would be lucky to get a 4th rd pk for Spears.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Some blogs are more credible than others, Fuzzy. Are you referring to this one?

Now a free agent, Tank Johnson waits

By Larry Weisman, USA TODAY
The only game Tank Johnson can play now is the waiting game, a realization the former Chicago Bears defensive tackle knows only too well.
Johnson spent 60 days in jail for violating his probation on weapons charges and understood he would be suspended for up to half of the upcoming NFL season for breaching the league's personal conduct policy.

Then he was cut by the Bears after being pulled over a week ago for speeding in Gilbert, Ariz. He was cited for "being impaired to the slightest degree" after declining a breathalyzer test. Now he's waiting again — waiting for the toxicology report from Arizona and waiting to see if there are further charges and what impact they might have on his chances to find new employment in a league short on patience with misbehavior.

Johnson must serve his suspension with any team that might wish to sign him, though it's still possible that two games could be subtracted from his ban if he meets certain guidelines. But the Arizona case "could impact" the discipline the NFL imposed, spokesman Greg Aiello said.

So Johnson waits, working out near his Chicago home.

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"We're in a holding pattern," said his agent, Bill Heck. "We've got a lot of territory we've got to weave through."

Heck said there are "some feelers out there," but that a signing of Johnson is not imminent because of the uncertainties.

Any team signing the 6-3, 300-pounder would have full access to him through training camp and preseason games, but he would then be suspended by the league for the first half of the season.

Johnson will be entering his fourth NFL season. He was a second-round pick in 2004 and has only missed two games, one while suspended by the club. He has nine career sacks.

Johnson was pulled over at 3:30 a.m. MT last Friday in Gilbert for driving 40 miles per hour in a 25 mph zone. He was cited for "driving under the influence impaired to the slightest degree" based on an officer's observations and had blood drawn at the police station for a blood alcohol test. Results are at least a week away.

"We just have to see how it plays out," Heck said.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-06-28-johnson-future_N.htm