*CONFIRMED post #238, pg 16* Tank Johnson Would Be Available to Us In Week 9

[Hostile]

it was a bloody fan blog at least USA Today has a reasonable expectation to actually research their articles.

With all due respect Fuzzy, and you know I don't say that lightly, the blurb from the Collective Bargaining Agreement was the icing on the cake, not the USA Today article.

He has to be under contract in order to serve his suspension. It can be reduced to 6 games (I had forgotten that) but any team that signs him is still handcuffed. That is why it was really stupid for him to get in trouble yet again.

The same holds true for any player who gets released before serving a league mandated suspension. It isn't just Tank. As I mentioned AB and Q owe the NFL games.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

Priceless. :laugh1:

 

[theogt]

how can you serve a suspension to an organization you're not a part of?

I don't think you understand. Why do you have to be a member of the organization to be suspended from it?

 

[cleverusername]

T.O.s just misunderstood. And Killa Keith found Jesus -- don't ask me where he found him but I swear he did!

Roy's House, I think.

Amen brother!

 

[iceberg]

it certainly wasnt by you. you just like making claims and not being sure about the justification for said claims.

no, it was me, fuzzbucket. i told you time and again you can't suspend someone you have no legal authority over. that's just common sense. i wasn't about to waste my time looking for a link for you to make fun of when it was already obvious you were just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

it was more fun making you do your own legwork but i guess WG just decided to end it and i can't blame her. i really don't have the time to talk over the obvious with you anyway.

FYI - don't stick your hand in fire - it can burn.

 

[Dallas]

He has NOT served a game suspension yet. Still owes the NFL 8 games. The team that signs him has to then give him up for 8 games.

Oops, I see that others have already pointed that out. My bad.

Oh, and as it regards proof of that, that is standard NFL policy. Think about it. Plenty of stuff about how Quincy Carter would have to serve 4 games if a team picked him up. That has been around this forum since 2005. Why would things change for Tank?

THANK YOU !!!

I don't understand why it is so hard for some to understand the mechanics of how a suspension works.

How is a person supposed to serve a suspension in the NFL when he is not on any club-roster to have the suspension applied to?

HE IS NOT WITH ANY TEAM !

I hope some and especially Fuzzy "Jump all over You" Lumpkins can get it.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Roy's House, I think.

Amen brother!

Is that what they call those bars now?

 

[Big Dakota]

With all due respect Fuzzy, and you know I don't say that lightly, the blurb from the Collective Bargaining Agreement was the icing on the cake, not the USA Today article.

He has to be under contract in order to serve his suspension. It can be reduced to 6 games (I had forgotten that) but any team that signs him is still handcuffed. That is why it was really stupid for him to get in trouble yet again.

The same holds true for any player who gets released before serving a league mandated suspension. It isn't just Tank. As I mentioned AB and Q owe the NFL games.

And Ricky Williams

 

[iceberg]

I don't think you understand. Why do you have to be a member of the organization to be suspended from it?

how else could it happen?

 

[Hostile]

I don't think you understand. Why do you have to be a member of the organization to be suspended from it?

Can you be suspended from a job you don't have?

 

[theogt]

Has Quincy Carter served a suspenions for his positive drug test?

Has Antonio Bryant?

This isn't new folks.

Under contract means exactly that. Once he is under contract he owes the NFL 8 games.

Sorry if it's my legal training, but I don't really believe too much of anything til I see some sort of legal authority on the subject. Like I said before, I have no idea whether he would have to be under contract to serve the suspension or not. It does appear to be common perception that he does, but that and a quarter will get you...hell, that won't even get you a cup of coffee.

 

[theogt]

Can you be suspended from a job you don't have?

Sure. Why not?

I have no idea why it's not possible for him to have an 8 week suspension from the NFL even though he's not under contract.

The only reason would be that it was an arbitrary decision by someone to make that the rule. There is no logical necessity for it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

With all due respect Fuzzy, and you know I don't say that lightly, the blurb from the Collective Bargaining Agreement was the icing on the cake, not the USA Today article.

He has to be under contract in order to serve his suspension. It can be reduced to 6 games (I had forgotten that) but any team that signs him is still handcuffed. That is why it was really stupid for him to get in trouble yet again.

The same holds true for any player who gets released before serving a league mandated suspension. It isn't just Tank. As I mentioned AB and Q owe the NFL games.

Actually the conduct policy only pertains to how punishments are to be dtermined and not for how the punishments are carried out.

its similar to a court handing out punishment and then turning over the convicted to the department of corrections with the guidleines in place.

essentially the conduct policy states when the commisioner can suspend and then it is up to the commisioners discretion how said punishment will be administered.

when i see an official press release stating that it is for the first 8 games i take that at face value because in a very real sense the suspensions handed down by the commisioner are arbitrary.

 

[theogt]

how else could it happen?

What do you mean? How else could it happen? It could just happen.

 

[iceberg]

Sure. Why not?

I have no idea why it's not possible for him to have an 8 week suspension from the NFL even though he's not under contract.

The only reason would be that it was an arbitrary decision by someone to make that the rule. There is no logical necessity for it.

sure there is. to make sure the player pays the price *as a player*. the team has to make a choice to keep him or cut him now.

chicago in this instance chose cut. he's no longer a member of the NFL anymore than you and I are. how can you and I serve suspensions for an organization we're not a part of?

if the NFL says you will be suspended for 8 games as a member of our league, then only as a member of that league can you serve that suspension.

how in the name of god did this get so complex?​

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, it was me, fuzzbucket. i told you time and again you can't suspend someone you have no legal authority over. that's just common sense. i wasn't about to waste my time looking for a link for you to make fun of when it was already obvious you were just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

it was more fun making you do your own legwork but i guess WG just decided to end it and i can't blame her. i really don't have the time to talk over the obvious with you anyway.

FYI - don't stick your hand in fire - it can burn.

again it is not common sense as there really is no 'common sense' when it comes to contract. There is nothing that says someone cannot be suspended form the league without a contract.

 

[Big Dakota]

What do you mean? How else could it happen? It could just happen.

Well the sun could go down in the east, but that's not how it happens.

 

[cleverusername]

Who's taken over Fuzzy's keyboard? Because these quotes are gold.

Fuzzy, I see that you've already capitulated, but this thread is more a monument to your tenacity than to your cognition. Generally, your threads are better when you use both.

Bravo, Bravo!

We rarely see such great usage of the english language!

I vote Capitulated as the word of the day. :laugh2:


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2. To give up all resistance; acquiesce.

 

[zrinkill]

Has Quincy Carter served a suspenions for his positive drug test?

Has Antonio Bryant?

This isn't new folks.

Under contract means exactly that. Once he is under contract he owes the NFL 8 games.

Thats pretty simple ...... yet people continue to argue.

 

[joseephuss]

And Ricky Williams

Is that true? Sometime in September was supposed to be when Ricky could ask for re-instatement. I wonder how that is going. Anyway, he had served his suspension time unless the commish decided to add more games. The same thing happened the first time he was suspended for a year. He retired but the NFL saw it as a semi-suspension and then added four games on top of it when he came back. Now even though he did retire, the Dolphins still held his rights and still do I believe. No one holds the rights to Tank right now. That may change how things work when dealing with Tank.

Even if his suspension is being counted right now, it is still 7 more games that he is out. How is that an answer to the Cowboys' needs at NT right now?