Congrats to Norv...

[dbair1967]

No one has said otherwise. I know that Ice and I have stated that that doesn't mean he would've had similar success in Dallas.

and I think thats being delusional considering his track record for success on offense

Romo would be a vastly different player after being coached by Norv for two yrs than he is now

 

[iceberg]

That's hogwash. Dbair complimented Turner BEFORE it was fashionable to do so.

i hate to be the bubble burster but it's not fashionable now.

if he likes norv great. he's got some good qualities or he'd not be an NFL coach. by that logic alone so does wade.

it's just a fools game to say "success there = success there" - it doesn't work like that.

 

[dbair1967]

dbair wanted Norv in Dallas instead of Wade..

I thought he was off his rocker then, too.

Actually that isnt true, I said he would do a good job and be great for Romo's development, as well as helping us run the ball more consistently. I was bashed repeatedly for it though.

I was actually fine with hiring Wade because I thought he'd have a dramatic impact on the defense.

 

[rcaldw]

And Dallas lost Romo for 3 games and a ton of other injuries. Everyone deals with injuries and nobody has made that an issue in this thread. The point is if the records were similar, 8-8, 9-7, that would NOT have been acceptable in Dallas.

No one has said otherwise. I know that Ice and I have stated that that doesn't mean he would've had similar success in Dallas.

I hear what you are saying WG, but I think it is too simplistic. (respectfully) I personally think we have more talent than SD. On top of that, you play the schedule that you play. You play in the division that you play. There is an ebb and flow to every season as you deal with the set of circumstances in front of you. You can't compare division to division that way. You can argue Dallas has a tougher division except for the fact that Dallas lost to ARIZONA AND ST. LOUIS both teams belonging to a "weaker" division.

 

[iceberg]

and I think thats being delusional considering his track record for success on offense

Romo would be a vastly different player after being coached by Norv for two yrs than he is now

it's delusional to think success in one place doesn't = success everywhere?

then why has norv not succeeded everywhere? explain that one.

 

[rcaldw]

Actually that isnt true, I said he would do a good job and be great for Romo's development, as well as helping us run the ball more consistently. I was bashed repeatedly for it though.

I was actually fine with hiring Wade because I thought he'd have a dramatic impact on the defense.

I was one of the few who wanted Turner here, and I took a lot of ribbing for it.

 

[dbair1967]

it's delusional to think success in one place doesn't = success everywhere?

then why has norv not succeeded everywhere? explain that one.

you think coaching in Washington and Oakland is similar to coaching what he has now in San Diego, or would have had here with us?

 

[iceberg]

I hear what you are saying WG, but I think it is too simplistic. (respectfully) I personally think we have more talent than SD. On top of that, you play the schedule that you play. You play in the division that you play. There is an ebb and flow to every season as you deal with the set of circumstances in front of you. You can't compare division to division that way. You can argue Dallas has a tougher division except for the fact that Dallas lost to ARIZONA AND ST. LOUIS both teams belonging to a "weaker" division.

yet dbair can compare coaches that way. you say they're different - all wg and i are saying. you can't compare the divisions but you can compare the success?

no.

 

[dbair1967]

I was one of the few who wanted Turner here, and I took a lot of ribbing for it.

I know, I remember.

Turns out you were right though.

 

[iceberg]

you think coaching in Washington and Oakland is similar to coaching what he has now in San Diego, or would have had here with us?

oh my freaking god.

did you just admit situations can be different?

holy ****.

 

[WoodysGirl]

and I think thats being delusional considering his track record for success on offense

Romo would be a vastly different player after being coached by Norv for two yrs than he is now

I don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't think Norv is an offensive genius. As a head coach, his record suggested he was sub-par at best.

At the time of the hiring, most fans were concerned with the defense. Wade fit the bill...at that time, especially since Garrett was on board, as well as Sparano and there were no concerns with the offense.

Fast forward two years and there is concern with the offense. Romo's development isn't the only concern with the offense, tho.

 

[TNCowboy]

Norv deserves props for winning, and he's done better as a HC than Wade.

But neither of them is HC material. Going 8-8 and needing all kinds of help just to make the playoffs is a joke with the roster SD has. Not making the playoffs with Dallas' roster is an even bigger joke. They're both coordinators who've risen to the level of their imcompetence.

 

[dbair1967]

yet dbair can compare coaches that way. you say they're different - all wg and i are saying. you can't compare the divisions but you can compare the success?

no.

you are arguing just for the sake of arguing now

Norv's track record with offense, coaching up QB's and getting teams to run the ball consistently is pretty obvious. We have talent on this team just like San Diego does. He did not have that kind of talent in Oakland or Washington. When he coached here from 91-93 we had great talent, and look at the results.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And we should have been better then that by now.


Wade was the wrong choice. Only those in denial will say otherwise at this point.

The bottom line is that Norv Turner not only has gotten his team into the Playoffs but his teams have had success when they get there.

Wade Phillips on the other hand, has not gotten it done and remains 0-4 lifetime in the Playoffs.

People can come up with as many excuses for Wade Phillips as they want but the above are facts and cannot be disputed.

Also, the San Diego Chargers may have been 8-8 and played in a medicore division, but 5 of those 8 losses came against Carolina, Miami, Indianapolis, Atlanta and Pittsburgh, all Playoff Teams.

So just because they were 8-8 and barely made the Playoffs, doesn't automatically mean that they wouldn't have been able to do it in the NFC East.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Norv deserves props for winning, and he's done better as a HC than Wade.

But neither of them is HC material. Going 8-8 and needing all kinds of help just to make the playoffs is a joke with the roster SD has. Not making the playoffs with Dallas' roster is an even bigger joke. They're both coordinators who've risen to the level of their imcompetence.

I was just about to post the same thing. I don't want either of them as our HC.

 

[dbair1967]

oh my freaking god.

did you just admit situations can be different?

holy ****.

dude, just stop

again, Oakland and Washington= bad talent

San Diego and Dallas= good talent

it isnt that hard to see

 

[iceberg]

dude, just stop

again, Oakland and Washington= bad talent

San Diego and Dallas= good talent

it isnt that hard to see

so they're different.

all i ever said.

to say something will have the same success in every situation, well...you just said not possible.

right? skins and oakland are different.

the talent in dallas didn't gel. how could norv have done that? how could he handle owens? jones?

just because we're talented doesn't mean we're not also disfunctional.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I hear what you are saying WG, but I think it is too simplistic. (respectfully) I personally think we have more talent than SD. On top of that, you play the schedule that you play. You play in the division that you play. There is an ebb and flow to every season as you deal with the set of circumstances in front of you. You can't compare division to division that way. You can argue Dallas has a tougher division except for the fact that Dallas lost to ARIZONA AND ST. LOUIS both teams belonging to a "weaker" division.

I don't have a problem with this statement. However, you're point is just as simplistic as mine, tho.

No one is disputing that Norv did a good job turning his team around. It just doesn't mean that the success he had there would've occurred here. Too many variables involved in trying to project how he would've reacted in some of the same situations. The SD organization is not run the same as Dallas. The pressure to win is not the same there as in Dallas.

 

[dbair1967]

so they're different.

all i ever said.

to say something will have the same success in every situation, well...you just said not possible.

right? skins and oakland are different.

the talent in dallas didn't gel. how could norv have done that? how could he handle owens? jones?

just because we're talented doesn't mean we're not also disfunctional.

ok...I'm done

 

[rcaldw]

I was just about to post the same thing. I don't want either of them as our HC.

would you have liked to have been in the Conference Championship game last year? Because that is where Norv's team went.

would you have liked to have been in the playoffs this year? Because that is where Norv's team went.

Would you have like to be in the divisional playoffs next week? Because that is where Norv's team will be.

Would you have liked to have had a playoff win in the last 12 years? Because Norv's team has had 3 in 2 years.