Congrats to Norv...

[iceberg]

you are arguing just for the sake of arguing now

Norv's track record with offense, coaching up QB's and getting teams to run the ball consistently is pretty obvious. We have talent on this team just like San Diego does. He did not have that kind of talent in Oakland or Washington. When he coached here from 91-93 we had great talent, and look at the results.

and arguing that wade would be just as successful here in dallas is NOT arguing for the sake of arguing?

how was his record in washington and oakland?

you're making excuses where you want to, not being even across the board. i don't care if you wear norv underoos - have fun.

but only a complete idiot would think that success in one situation will translate to all situations then run and hide behind "but they suck" when he didn't.

but he's norv! he can make anyone win!

hope the 'roos fit.

 

[iceberg]

ok...I'm done

so you can't answer the question and you're done.

fine. you never had a point anyway.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

would you have liked to have been in the Conference Championship game last year? Because that is where Norv's team went.

would you have liked to have been in the playoffs this year? Because that is where Norv's team went.

Would you have like to be in the divisional playoffs next week? Because that is where Norv's team will be.

Would you have liked to have had a playoff win in the last 12 years? Because Norv's team has had 3 in 2 years.

Sure. Doesn't mean we need Norv to get there. He would have been a puppet here just like Wade is.

Sorry, but no thanks. He will never win a Super Bowl as HC. I'd bet any amount of money on it.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't have a problem with this statement. However, you're point is just as simplistic as mine, tho.

No one is disputing that Norv did a good job turning his team around. It just doesn't mean that the success he had there would've occurred here. Too many variables involved in trying to project how he would've reacted in some of the same situations. The SD organization is not run the same as Dallas. The pressure to win is not the same there as in Dallas.

With all due respect, though, WG, I think you are missing our point. No matter what your situation is, isn't the expectation to get your team to the playoffs and win? Turner has done it both years. Phillips has failed both years. (Got his team there, but 1 and done) On top of that Turner succeeded with a weaker version (due to injuries) of the team that Marty Schottenheimer COULDN'T get it done with. yet everyone wants to act like Turner is a doofus.

You might not like the goofy look on his face sometimes, but Norv Turner can coach, and a lot of people here acted like he was a joke when he was being considered in Dallas.

 

[rcaldw]

Sure. Doesn't mean we need Norv to get there. He would have been a puppet here just like Wade is.

Sorry, but no thanks.

Actually, I don't think he would have been, and I think that is why he ISN'T here.

I think Norv had enough of the puppet thing. He had gone through it twice and knew that he didn't want to go that route again.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't have a problem with this statement. However, you're point is just as simplistic as mine, tho.

No one is disputing that Norv did a good job turning his team around. It just doesn't mean that the success he had there would've occurred here. Too many variables involved in trying to project how he would've reacted in some of the same situations. The SD organization is not run the same as Dallas. The pressure to win is not the same there as in Dallas.

Yes it is.

They fired a coach who went 14-2, 2 years ago and possibly were on the verge of firing a coach who got them deep into the Playoffs last year, had he not gotten into the Playoffs this year.

 

[iceberg]

Sure. Doesn't mean we need Norv to get there. He would have been a puppet here just like Wade is.

Sorry, but no thanks.

but but - we have talent....they have talent....what else do you need to know???? it's all the same from here!

dbair wants all speculation to go his way. no.

 

[iceberg]

With all due respect, though, WG, I think you are missing our point. No matter what your situation is, isn't the expectation to get your team to the playoffs and win? Turner has done it both years. Phillips has failed both years. (Got his team there, but 1 and done) On top of that Turner succeeded with a weaker version (due to injuries) of the team that Marty Schottenheimer COULDN'T get it done with. yet everyone wants to act like Turner is a doofus.

You might not like the goofy look on his face sometimes, but Norv Turner can coach, and a lot of people here acted like he was a joke when he was being considered in Dallas.

yes he has and yes he should be commended for it.

parcells won superbowls but didn't here.

why not?

situations are different.

you and dbair are missing the point.

 

[iceberg]

Actually, I don't think he would have been, and I think that is why he ISN'T here.

I think Norv had enough of the puppet thing. He had gone through it twice and knew that he didn't want to go that route again.

didn't wade get fired for not being a puppet?

 

[WoodysGirl]

Yes it is.

They fired a coach who went 14-2, 2 years ago and possibly were on the verge of firing a coach who got them deep into the Playoffs last year, had he not gotten into the Playoffs this year.

They didn't fire him because of his coaching performance. They fired him cuz he couldn't get along with the GM. Not quite the same, IMO.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

didn't wade get fired for not being a puppet?

Yes. He didn't want to fire his special teams coach I believe. I respect him for that considering that the special teams coach was basically being fired over the Music City Miracle if I remember correctly.

 

[ZeroClub]

we had a chance for both norv and ron rivera. hard to second guess because we do have the meddling owner.

Very true. Jerry "I'm gonna change" Jones isn't in San Diego, which likely makes Norv's job easier.

 

[iceberg]

Yes. He didn't want to fire his special teams coach I believe. I respect him for that considering that the special teams coach was basically being fired over the Music City Miracle if I remember correctly.

but he's suddenly a puppet now.

thanks ozzu. i didn't have the exact situation on the top of my head but i did recall him walking before bending.

suddenly cause a fan needs him to be something else, he is.

those are the hard fans to talk intelligently to.

 

[rcaldw]

but he's suddenly a puppet now.

thanks ozzu. i didn't have the exact situation on the top of my head but i did recall him walking before bending.

suddenly cause a fan needs him to be something else, he is.

those are the hard fans to talk intelligently to.

hehe, you guys defending Wade are getting what you deserve. that is all I can say. Did you see Dallas in Philly? Forget that they lost.... HOW did they lose? Did they look like a team that was well coached, a team that was ready to play, a team that laid it all on the line knowing it was win or your out?

 

[iceberg]

hehe, you guys defending Wade are getting what you deserve. that is all I can say. Did you see Dallas in Philly? Forget that they lost.... HOW did they lose? Did they look like a team that was well coached, a team that was ready to play, a team that laid it all on the line knowing it was win or your out?

who's defending wade?

when you prove that we'll move on. till then, you're still making **** up. you want to run to norvs past to show his future but you won't allow it for wade. i'm not defending wade, i'm staying logical w/o emotinoal ties.

we'll never win w/wade as a hc. but i want us to think before moving on.

 

[gmsquid]

All I'm saying is I respect Norv, and have even when he was in Washington. The man can coach the game, and the past two weeks his playcalling has been absurd. He just knows how to coach an offense, and if it wasn't for some bad breaks in his coaching career he'd have a lot more respect.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If we are going to play the "The Chargers finished 8-8" game, then lets do this.

Ed Hockuli (don't know how to spell his name), doesn't blow that call.

Now the Chargers are 9-7, just like us.

Next, lets take Dware out of our defense FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. Why? Because the Chargers lost Merriman from the beginning.

Ok, what is Wade's record now?

But the bottom line is, Norv Turner has faced elimination games 5 times this season, and they have won all 5. He faced 3 elimination games in the playoffs last year, and they won 2 of 3, WITH BACKUPS.

Face it, the guy has done a good job.

Whats funny is that ALMOST ALL the post on this board were against Norv being named Head Coach.

Go back and look at the posts from back then and they were "Norv is a proven loser", "Norv has never won anything as a head coach", "Jerry is just trying to relive the glory days if he hires Norv".

They wont admit it now, but most posters on this board at the time were against hiring Norv.

Funny how all of a sudden Norv is a genius and a great head coach and everybody is saying Jerry screwed up and hired the wrong guy...........where were these post 2 years ago?????

 

[WoodysGirl]

Whats funny is that ALMOST ALL the post on this board were against Norv being named Head Coach.

Go back and look at the posts from back then and they were "Norv is a proven loser", "Norv has never won anything as a head coach", "Jerry is just trying to relive the glory days if he hires Norv".

They wont admit it now, but most posters on this board at the time were against hiring Norv.

Funny how all of a sudden Norv is a genius and a great head coach and everybody is saying Jerry screwed up and hired the wrong guy...........where were these post 2 years ago?????

Actually the people jocking Norv now are the same people jocking Norv then.

Those that didn't want him, still don't. That hasn't changed. What has changed is they don't want Wade either.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow I love all these 2nd guess posters... I still think San Diego sucks.

 

[Rack]

Actually the people jocking Norv now are the same people jocking Norv then.

Those that didn't want him, still don't. That hasn't changed. What has changed is they don't want Wade either.

I'm not jocking Norv now, but I did then.


I admit, I was wrong.


Would he have done well here? That's debateable (why can't I ever spell that word correctly?). I think as long as Jerry is here, no coach will be successful enough to win a superbowl (cuz Jerry will never put together the kind of talent we had in the early-mid 90's by himself. Jimmy did most of that leg work when he was here).



I just finished reading "Boy Will Be Boys" and there are direct quotes from players saying "Jerry should not get so involved" (paraphrasing).

The fact is he is an enabler. Chad Hennings said himself that there needs to be ONE VOICE (EXACTLY what I said about a week ago), and as long as Jerry is there there will be more then 1 voice. So maybe Norv wouldn't be winning playoff games here, who knows, but I do know one thing... Wade sure as HELL isn't the right man for the job. No way, no how. He's Barry Switzer all over again, only NOT as good.