Cooley's opinion: RG3 is going to Dallas

[65fastback2plus2]

The Cowboys aren't built like that. We have no "quarterback whisperer" here. I don't trust Wade Wilson or Jason Garrett to coach up a QB.

Thats why it would be a fleecing and I compared it to Matt Flynn lol

 

[Stash]

Bring him in. Don't get why some are so dense they wouldn't want him here just because he was with the Commanders.

His former team has nothing to do with it. Maybe before you try to call anyone else "dense", you should check yourself first?

How can adding him HURT?! If it doesn't work out fine, he's gone. If it works out we might have a young QB who can lead this team to the playoffs and the superbowl for the next 5-10 years, and we got this #1 overall pick talent for NOTHING.

Really? It's "fine" if it doesn't work out? How exactly is it "fine" if the team goes into 2016 the same way they went into 2015, without a capable quarterback behind Romo? He gets hurt and it's a repeat of this year's debacle. That's how it "hurts".

Grow up, keep your personal stuff out of this, it's business. The moment he throws a TD or wins a game for us you'll be all up on his bandwagon and order your RG3 jersey the very next day.

Practice what you're 'preaching' to others. "Grow up".

In between slinging arrows, take a few minutes to read this scouting report on Griffin, written by the very same guy predicting he will go to Dallas. And maybe then you'll actually understand why people have reservations about bringing him to Dallas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-assess-the-rest-of-the-Commanders-offense/

 

[Alexander]

Griffin won't sign here without first knowing what the plans are for the Cowboys and the draft, at least in terms of drafting a QB @ #4.

Griffin will be available, along with Manziel, March 9th. That is a full month ahead of the draft and also well in advance of the regular free agency period.

As Jones is courting him, I have very little doubt he would assure him that there would not be a QB drafted, you are the future RGIII blah blah blah.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Can't run anymore, can't read defenses from the pocket, averages about one fumble per game for career.

But I'd take him in a heartbeat over Manziel.

I think manziel has more of a chance than rg3 to be the future but he's crazy off the field so I say go rg3.

 

[Sydla]

Throw me into the category that while RG3 probably sucks, I don't see the harm in bringing him in.

The reality is the landscape of potential back up QBs is pretty terrible so give me the guy with upside every time. I'd rather RG3 than bringing back Cassel or Weeden. Even bringing in RG3 shouldn't preclude them from taking a QB if they want early in the draft too.

There's not much downside here IMO.

It's also insurance for the draft. People just assume the Cowboys will take a QB at 4 but what happens if San Diego surprises and goes with the thinknig they need a replacement for Rivers and Wentz and Goff are off the board at 2 and 3? And you didn't sign RG3 in free agency. Now what? I guess we could probably get Cassel or Moore on the line.

 

[slick325]

The way our offense is structured, I do not think any veteran that is brought in will be any better than Weeden or Cassel. If we insist on crossing our fingers with Romo, the best bet is to kill two birds with one stone. Get the future at the position first and in the event he has to play, so be it.

Getting a veteran, especially one like Griffin who will need reps to begin with will make that impossible. The rookie would never get enough reps to even begin to develop.

I totally get where you're coming from regarding hindering potential development. Guess I just wouldn't mind hedging the bet.

The QB's I list may not be on the roster for the rookie to deal with in his 2nd season. Anyway, we are not even fully into the off season so there is a long way to go. We'll see how things shake out.

 

[Alexander]

I agree here. Makes perfect sense.

I don't know why we can't do both. Sign a backup in FA....draft a QB if one is there we like.

It makes no sense. Griffin is not some ready made veteran QB who can step in and play without work. He has serious flaws with his footwork and ability to function in a system that is not built around his skill set. In other words, he needs work. And a lot of it.

That means a lot of reps. All of them that are available. That leaves little to nothing for a rookie to consume.

It is a hard enough sell to think Dallas would take a QB at #4, but to also do that and not even have enough physical reps available for him is just not feasible. We would never do it.

 

[Stash]

I cannot understand anyone's objection to kicking the tires on RGIII.

This goes a long way towards summing up mine:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-assess-the-rest-of-the-Commanders-offense/

No one will sign him without a physical and a workout/interview.
No one in Dallas will be involved in a bidding war for a QB who didn't play last year.

I have to wonder what the Rams' thinking would be. They're obviously looking for a quarterback, they're moving back to LA, and Jeff Fisher has had similar-skilled quarterbacks in the past. They might Griffin an offer that gives him a great chance to start?

If signed, he's signed as a possible upgrade at backup to Moore. He then provides at least a slim chance of getting his game back together behind a better OL with a star receiver.

And if he doesn't, we're essentially no better off than we were in 2015.

That move doesn't stop us from drafting a QB at 4 if our guy is there, but that's far from a sure thing. If no QB we want is there at 4, a veteran backup allows us to take a developmental QB in another round or waiting for next year, depending on how the draft unfolds. It also doesn't prevent us from cutting RGIII loose if he stinks in camp to go with another backup.

At that point, you're picking over the scraps that nobody else wanted. Much like 2015.

Unlike Johnny Football, who is clearly off his rails right now, bringing RGIII in on a prove-it, incentive laden contract to compete is a no-brainer. If he's offered something better elsewhere, so be it.

Given his track record and the reports on his football acumen, I think there's plenty of risk involved and a decision on him is far from a "no-brainer".

I think that if you wanted to bring either Griffin or Manziel in, the best thing to do would be to carry four quarterbacks as insurance, having a better veteran backup, in addition to a rookie. That's the only way you safeguard yourself against either of these two guys washing out or proving incapable.

 

[Stash]

I want a capable backup that can win games IF he is forced to play. Not sure any of this year's crop of QB's, including Goff, Wentz and Lynch, are capable day one guys or even No. 2's that can win games for Dallas this season. The more this discussion is had, the more I see myself leaning toward Colt McCoy as the backup QB, should he do the unlikely and leave Washington. But if I had to choose between Griffin and Manziel, I go Griffin every time and twice on Sunday. Not sold on Kalen Moore as the backup though.

That said, I am fine with grabbing a backup QB AND drafting Goff, Wentz or Lynch, if their evaluations have them as top 5 picks and capable of being a franchise QB. I do not think that Dallas should surpass one of them just because they sign Griffin or Manziel or McCoy. Especially if the scouts label any of them or all of them top 5 caliber players and franchise QB material.

Don't necessarily want them to be No. 2 this coming season though Alexander.

Get on the Colt McCoy bandwagon!

 

[Alexander]

Get on the Colt McCoy bandwagon!

 

[slick325]

Get on the Colt McCoy bandwagon!

You are one of a few that has made me start leaning that way Stash.

 

[slick325]

Any GIF using Andre The Giant gets kudos but this one actually made me laugh. Can't see a man that big being so frightened by anything that makes him say no that adamantly. Lol...

 

[Stash]

C'mon!



What do you have against my boy? I think he's coming into his own and would be the ideal candidate.

 

[Stash]

You are one of a few that has made me start leaning that way Stash.

I think he would be the ideal veteran backup for this team.

 

[Bizwah]

It makes no sense. Griffin is not some ready made veteran QB who can step in and play without work. He has serious flaws with his footwork and ability to function in a system that is not built around his skill set. In other words, he needs work. And a lot of it.

That means a lot of reps. All of them that are available. That leaves little to nothing for a rookie to consume.

It is a hard enough sell to think Dallas would take a QB at #4, but to also do that and not even have enough physical reps available for him is just not feasible. We would never do it.

You would rather not have a backup then? Gamble that our next QB will be there at four....that no other team will think of taking a QB before us?

It makes perfect sense to grab a QB before the draft. I think you are wrong on RG3. I also think you're wrong in assuming that a rookie QB needs a ton of reps. Romo did just fine the three years prior to becoming the man. That is the path I would take on any rookie QB we draft. Bring them along slowly.

 

[jnday]

I'm putting my hat in the RG3 bandwagon. That way we don't sign Johnny football. Not that RG3 would work well in Dallas. But party animal Johnny would wreck this team beyond repair.

How much dama can a backup QB actually create? If he sits behind Romo for a couple years, he will become a non-story . The media went crazy over him in Cleveland because he was a first round pick with expectations to start. Those problems will not surface in Dallas. I have made the point before that he is still a 23year old kid that could learn a lot from Romo. I have never saw player that the media harasses like Manziel. He is a kid that likes beer and women. That is normal except he has media coverage watching his every move. I have never seen a kid that draws so much hate for beings typical 23 year old. He has much higher upside than RG3, who can't read a defense and has an arrogant attitude. The whole situation puzzles me how so much hate an be directed at one young an.

 

[Alexander]

C'mon!



What do you have against my boy? I think he's coming into his own and would be the ideal candidate.

Oh, I don't know. Weak arm with about as much range in terms of pass depth as Kellen Moore for starters. Weird mechanics. Annoying parents.

Plus he is awful at celebrating.

 

[Doomsday101]

How much dama can a backup QB actually create? If he sits behind Romo for a couple years, he will become a non-story . The media went crazy over him in Cleveland because he was a first round pick with expectations to start. Those problems will not surface in Dallas. I have made the point before that he is still a 23year old kid that could learn a lot from Romo. I have never saw player that the media harasses like Manziel. He is a kid that likes beer and women. That is normal except he has media coverage watching his every move. I have never seen a kid that draws so much hate for beings typical 23 year old. He has much higher upside than RG3, who can't read a defense and has an arrogant attitude. The whole situation puzzles me how so much hate an be directed at one young an.

Manziel has brought the negative attention on himself, it is not being created by the media but by his own actions.

 

[RW31]

It hurts for one simple reason. His presence will have Jerry Jones believing he is the future at the position and that fact would preclude us from doing the right and smart thing, which is drafting our potential franchise QB for at least the next few years.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You can argue exactly the other way around with that same "logic".

Face it, I rather have RG3, a top pick with all the tools, who has had a legit Pro Bowl year as a rookie (unlike those bums that somehow managed to get in because of all the guys that pulled out), for NOTHING, instead of wasting a top pick on a QB who hasn't done **** so far.

 

[Stash]

Oh, I don't know. Weak arm with about as much range in terms of pass depth as Kellen Moore for starters.

I think his arm has actually gotten stronger since he's gotten to the NFL. I see him as considerably better than Moore.

Weird mechanics. Annoying parents.

As long as he gets the job done!

Plus he is awful at celebrating.

In his defense, he was stuck playing in Washington, his heart likely wasn't in it!