Cop Tasers Guy for Walking Away From Him

[heavyg]

It's funny that you know this yet the police department refused to confirm that he acted properly or that he acted according to standard operating procedure.

According to that department's policy, use of a taser is only appropriate where all other methods of controlling an individual are unreasonable.

Obviously that wasn't the case here.

Well, on that you could be correct. I HAVE NOT read thier policy. However, I have read mine and gone through the training. The driver should have just signed the ticket and took it to court.

Where did you read their policy and their comments on the situation

 

[theogt]

Well, on that you could be correct. I HAVE NOT read thier policy. However, I have read mine and gone through the training. The driver should have just signed the ticket and took it to court.

Where did you read their policy and their comments on the situation

What does your policy state about proper use of the taser?

 

[Dallas]

When in this video does the officer tell the suspect you are under arrest? Is it before or after he shoots him 2x w/ the taser? Im lost.

Ohhhhh it's AFTER he shoots him twice w/ the taser.

This trooper has been put on desk patrol for the time being. He has had serious death threats since tasering this individual 2x in the back.

 

[Rack]

Yeah if what he is telling him is put your hands behind your back your under arrest.

If your told your under arrest and you say no I am not and walk away.....Thats resisting arrest. Why is that so difficult for you to understand

I can answer that but I'd get banned.

I cant wait until you get your own video on youtube. You sound like such a girl.

Agreed.

Uh...he pulled the taser before the guy even had a chance to put his hands behind his back and before he walked away. The guy didn't even know he was being put under arrest.

The problem is that he pulled the taser too quickly, which freaked the guy out and made him back up. THen the cop tased him for backing up.

I understand now why you're arguing with me -- you don't even know what happened.

When he PULLED the taser is irrelevant. He can PULL the taser at any time. He didn't FIRE the taser until the subject walked away (resisted arrest).

Thank you. Obviously the cop is mentally unstable.

Obviously you're a wuss.

The guy didn't act a fool. He was never given the chance to comply. You apparently haven't even watched video. Or just watched it and before watching it decided to you were going to defend the cop, regardless of what happened.

And a cops life is always in danger. Should he walk around with the taser pulled at all times because there's a possible threat of danger? No, of course not.

The hell he wasn't. He was given the chance to sign the ticket.

He didn't.

He was told to put his hands behind his back.

He didn't.


The cop didn't FIRE the taser until AFTER the subject resisted arrest.

 

[theogt]

The hell he wasn't. He was given the chance to sign the ticket.

He didn't.

He was told to put his hands behind his back.

He didn't.


The cop didn't FIRE the taser until AFTER the subject resisted arrest.

Uhh....the guy wasn't resisting arrest. He was never told he was being placed under arrest. Immediately after telling him to put his hands behind his back, the cop pulls the taser. The cop did not give the guy a chance to comply.

The guy never resisted anything. He freaked out when he had a weapon pointed at him and started backing up in fear. He never resisted.

Have you even watched the video?

 

[Rack]

The cop did not give the guy a chance to comply.

Yes, he did. The guy walked away from him (that's CLEAR). That's resisting arrest.

Have you even watched the video?

Did you?

 

[theogt]

Yes, he did. The guy walked away from him (that's CLEAR). That's resisting arrest.

He didn't give him a chance to comply before pulling the taser. And when he pulled the taser the guy freaked out and backed up like anyone would. Then the cop shot him with the taser without actually telling him he's under arrest.

 

[Dallas]

The hell he wasn't. He was given the chance to sign the ticket.

Just so you know. In Utah, it is not required to get a signature on the ticket to be able to enforce the ticket. The officer should have said ok and let the driver go and file the ticket.

Sure would have saved a mess. Fact of the matter is that officers want to always be the one's in charge and take serious offense when they are not given what they feel is the respect they are demanding.

That's exactly what happened here. The driver was blowing the cop off regarding the ticket and the officer took it to another level to get his respect back.

This officer is still on leave. He has received many death threats/emails/phone calls.

His poor life is a mess right now.


I am actually kind of glad that it is. Maybe it will teach them to have a bit more patience and clear headedness next time he wants to kick it up a notch when citing someone for a TRAFFIC offense.

 

[Hostile]

The guy begged the cop to "read him his rights." Not once, but several times. The officer never did. I have a feeling that is going to come back to bite him right in the butt.

The speed limit sign the officer is enforcing is right in front of his car as he pulls over and then pulls back out to pull the guy over. It seems reasonable to me that it could not be seen. I don't normally read signs through other vehicles.

I would have signed the ticket and fought it. If I were the tasered man, I would fight this. I don't think that was necessary at all, but you never push your luck, and he did.

There's guilt both ways.

 

[locked&loaded]

What should the cop have done then? The subject was walking away and wouldn't comply. They're on a highway with cars speeding by, should the cop have tried to take the subject down using hand to hand or a nightstick?


What if he tries to grab him and the subject runs into the highway? Or worse, pushes the cop into an incoming car?


The cop used the quickest, safest, most efficient method available to him to control the situation. No way in HELL should he be fired. He did his job.

Dude atleast admit the cop was an ***, the way he yelled at the guys wife for checking if he was ok. he brought him out of the car for what? he was going to take him to prison for not signing the ticket?. They send the ticket in the mail and you get a court date. the cop should not of done what he did. he must not have many friends or get picked on at the office.

 

[heavyg]

Admittedly I do not know the laws in Utah. So my argument could be pointless. The only thing I can really see that could have been different was how quickly the officer pulled the tazer. However, if you watch the video you see the driver putting his right hand in his pocket and keeping it there as he walks away. That being said the reasonable person should know if an officer has a tazer pointed at you telling you to put your hands behind your back its safe to assume your under arrest. Once you refuse to comply you are now resisting arrest.

As far as my policy goes.... In a nut shell its says if the situation requires us to go hands on we are allowed to use the tazer. Again in this situation. The officer is in the middle of now where by himself. He has no idea what the driver is capable of.

 

[theogt]

Admittedly I do not know the laws in Utah. So my argument could be pointless. The only thing I can really see that could have been different was how quickly the officer pulled the tazer. However, if you watch the video you see the driver putting his right hand in his pocket and keeping it there as he walks away. That being said the reasonable person should know if an officer has a tazer pointed at you telling you to put your hands behind your back its safe to assume your under arrest. Once you refuse to comply you are now resisting arrest.

As far as my policy goes.... In a nut shell its says if the situation requires us to go hands on we are allowed to use the tazer. Again in this situation. The officer is in the middle of now where by himself. He has no idea what the driver is capable of.

Sounds like even according to your policy, he shouldn't have used the taser.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

But he didn't. He got out the car and was pointing at a sign. The cop asked him to put his hands behind his back. Before the guy even had a chance to react, the cop immediatley the cop pulled the taser which freaked the guy out. The guy never had time to comply. The cop freaked out and pulled the taser without cause. The guy was just confused as to what was going on.

But at that point, it's too late. When the cop asks you to get out of the car, you have to do exactly as he says. He is not asking you to get out so you can freelance. There is a protocol to be observed and police officers can't be flexible when the driver is walking outside his vehicle. It's for the officer's own protection. The guy had plenty of time to comply and the police officer warned him. The guy was just being argumentative and didn't want to be arrested. Granted, I wouldn't want to be arrested either for such a petty issue but I'm intelligent enough to know the officer means business and if he is giving me a set of instructions, I'm going to comply. I can always contest this or report the officer later.

 

[heavyg]

Sounds like even according to your policy, he shouldn't have used the taser.

Actually no. He was arresting the dude and he resisted. You resist the officer goes hands on. Just to be sure I had my Sergeant watch the video and asked him if everything was within our policy. He said yes. He only questioned how quick the tazer was pulled. But said once he was told to put his hands behind his back and refused it was time for hands on (pharaphrased of couse)

 

[theogt]

Actually no. He was arresting the dude and he resisted. You resist the officer goes hands on. Just to be sure I had my Sergeant watch the video and asked him if everything was within our policy. He said yes. He only questioned how quick the tazer was pulled. But said once he was told to put his hands behind his back and refused it was time for hands on (pharaphrased of couse)

He pulled the taser before the guy resisted. The guy backed up because the cop pulled the taser for no reason.

For all the guy knows this cop is crazy and going to kill and rob his family. The cop acted unreasonably and freaked the guy out.

 

[heavyg]

He pulled the taser before the guy resisted. The guy backed up because the cop pulled the taser for no reason.

For all the guy knows this cop is crazy and going to kill and rob his family. The cop acted unreasonably and freaked the guy out.

I see there is no reasoning with you. You can use that argument no matter what. Any reasonable person would have complied. The guy is just a young punk and resisted. Have fun with this I am done trying to reason with you.

 

[theogt]

I see there is no reasoning with you. You can use that argument no matter what. Any reasonable person would have complied. The guy is just a young punk and resisted. Have fun with this I am done trying to reason with you.

Yeah, he's just a young punk that was asking for it.

With his pregnant wife and kids in the car.

He probably had drugs on him too. Damn drugees. LOL. You cops are hilarious.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

When in this video does the officer tell the suspect you are under arrest? Is it before or after he shoots him 2x w/ the taser? Im lost.

Ohhhhh it's AFTER he shoots him twice w/ the taser.

This trooper has been put on desk patrol for the time being. He has had serious death threats since tasering this individual 2x in the back.

He was in the process of arresting him. If he turned around like the officer asked him to, he would have put the cuffs on him and said "he was under arrest" The officer isn't required to say it before he cuffs him. He clearly told the man to turn around and put his hands behind his back and the man immediately replied: "No" and put his palm forward in the direction of the speed limit sign" The officer then repeated it louder. Watch the tape again and it clearly shows that. I agree this officer was psycho but this driver was a being a smarta$$ too. In the car, the driver clearly said in a condescending manner:

"First of all, if you are going to give me a ticket, you are going to tell me why"
"Second of all, we are going to walk over to the sign"

Sorry, but that's not how you talk to a police officer. I'm not saying the officer was justified in what he did but I would be a little pis$#5 off too if some guy spoke to me like that. The driver was clearly not showing any respect to the officer. Even if the police officer is completely wrong in pulling him over, you are still required to show some respect. You don't tell the officer what to do by saying "First of all and Second of all"

I've seen people victimized by police officers on other youtube videos but this guy clearly antagonized the officer as well whereas in the other videos the victims didn't do that.

 

[theogt]

He was in the process of arresting him. He clearly told the man to turn around and put his hands behind his back and the man immediately replied: "No" and put his palm forward in the direction of the sign" The officer then repeated it louder. Watch the tape again and it clearly shows that. I agree this officer was psycho but this driver was a being a smarta$$ too. In the car, the driver clearly said in a condescending manner:

"First of all, if you are going to give me a ticket, you are going to tell me why"
"Second of all, we are going to walk over to the sign"

Sorry, but that's not how you talk to a police officer. I'm not saying the officer was justified in what he did but I would be a little pis$#5 off too if some guy spoke to me like that. The driver was clearly not showing any respect to the officer. Even if the police officer is completely wrong in pulling him over, you are still required to show some respect. You don't tell the officer what to do by saying "First of all and Second of all"

I've seen people victimized by police officers on other youtube videos but this guy clearly antagonized the officer as well whereas in the other videos the victims didn't do that.

So, basically, you're saying that the officer was not justified, but that it's okay because the driver was being disrespectful. Ok. So was the cop justified or not?

 

[mr.jameswoods]

He pulled the taser before the guy resisted. The guy backed up because the cop pulled the taser for no reason.

For all the guy knows this cop is crazy and going to kill and rob his family. The cop acted unreasonably and freaked the guy out.

The guy resisted arrest long before he pulled the taser. The very first time the officer asked him to turn around, the man clearly said no and then extended his arm with his palm forward in the direction of the speed limit sign. The man was walking toward the speed limit sign and the officer repeated it again and brought out the taser to keep the driver in place.

At that point, the driver still didn't listen to the officer and backed up. You would think the guy would turn around at that point but instead he replies "What's your problem" Resisting arrest can also be defined as the man not listening to the officer which he wasn't in this case.

Again, I think both parties were wrong. I ultimately blame the police officer but I think this driver was also being defiant.

And the oficer did nothing wrong to the guys' wife. He raised his voice and told her to remain in the car. That's the right thing to do. The officer has to protect himself. Just because the woman is pregnant, you can't assume she is harmless. The officer has to follow a protocol and the second person in the vehicle could theoretically assist the person being arrested so the officer has to order that person to remain in the car.