Cop Tasers Guy for Walking Away From Him

[smarta5150]

No I think a cop slept with his gf or something. Or maybe a cop pissed in his cornflakes.


The cop did his job. Period.


Of all the things to try and make something out of nothing, trying it with a cop doing his job is ********.

Its been an amusing week.

1st it was Theo vs Adam in that salary cap thread now Theo vs you here.

If any guy ever questions why we are stereotyped for being stubborn they need to be linked to these threads.

 

[Rack]

Wait a minute... Theo argued with Adam in a salary cap thread?


Wow.


Maybe he should go argue with a marine bioligist on whether or not a shark is a fish or not.

 

[smarta5150]

Wait a minute... Theo argued with Adam in a salary cap thread?


Wow.


Maybe he should go argue with a marine bioligist on whether or not a shark is a fish or not.

Oh man you missed that?

I gotta find the link for you...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104508&highlight=loophole

 

[Rack]

Oh man you missed that?

I gotta find the link for you...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104508&highlight=loophole

So you WANT me to go read a whole bunch of stupidity?

 

[smarta5150]

So you WANT me to go read a whole bunch of stupidity?

I read this thread its entirety....

 

[locked&loaded]

OMG. Are you freakin' serious?

Again, it's not his job to be a psychologist. And obviously he HAD to yell at her cuz she kept getting out of the vehicle.

The only fact here is that if the guy had just done as he was told, NONE of that would have happened.



I could have told you that a long time ago.

Are you freakin serious? If an officer asks your wife to get out of the car and the next thing you hear is screaming from your wife, you look back and the officer is holding what appears to be a weapon your just going to sit in the car? maybe turn up the music? Jeez... you are dense.

 

[Rack]

Are you freakin serious? If an officer asks your wife to get out of the car and the next thing you hear is screaming from your wife, you look back and the officer is holding what appears to be a weapon your just going to sit in the car? maybe turn up the music? Jeez... you are dense.

I'm the dense one?


You're the ****** that doesn't know how to follow simple instructions from a police officer.


And even if I did get out of the car, since the officer told me to get back in the car he has every right to YELL at me for not complying.

 

[heavyg]

I'm the dense one?


You're the ****** that doesn't know how to follow simple instructions from a police officer.


And even if I did get out of the car, since the officer told me to get back in the car he has every right to YELL at me for not complying.

Rack your talkin to people who have no clue. They get their idea of police work from watching CSI. Attitudes like this is why this guy got tasered. The general public as a whole nowadays has NO respect for law enforement. Making the job that much harder. This whole thing reminds of people complaining when an officer has to use deadly force with someone because they have a gun. They want to know why the police didnt just shoot the gun out of his hand. :bang2:

 

[Rack]

Rack your talkin to people who have no clue. They get their idea of police work from watching CSI. Attitudes like this is why this guy got tasered. The general public as a whole nowadays has NO respect for law enforement. Making the job that much harder. This whole thing reminds of people complaining when an officer has to use deadly force with someone because they have a gun. They want to know why the police didnt just shoot the gun out of his hand. :bang2:

I'm currently being investigated for employment by the US Border Patrol (background checks)... it's getting to the point where you can't even beat down an illegal alien anymore w/o getting a write-up.

j/k


Seriously though, people don't have the same respect for law enforcement officers that they used to have. SOme of that is the agency's own fault though. I know locally the last two police chiefs have been corrupt. The FBI is investigating the current one for embezzlement (sp?), I think.

There's a LOT of corruption in the local police dept, sherrif's dept, and the fire dept (to an extent). IT's bad in this crap town. I have almost no respect for the local police and sherrif's depts. Other then the officers that I know personally. When the chief of police is breaking the law instead of preventing it (aka the OPPOSITE of his job) then it makes the dept look bad. Not only that, but the chief has also been in multiple car wrecks in city vehicles where he had been drinking (at least) and nothing was done about it. It was all swept under the rug.


FINALLY it's gotten to the point where the FEDs are getting involved.



That said, when I go out of town to San Antonio (or wherever) I have complete respect for those guys. Same with our federal agencies and state agencies.

 

[heavyg]

I'm currently being investigated for employment by the US Border Patrol (background checks)... it's getting to the point where you can't even beat down an illegal alien anymore w/o getting a write-up.

j/k


Seriously though, people don't have the same respect for law enforcement officers that they used to have. SOme of that is the agency's own fault though. I know locally the last two police chiefs have been corrupt. The FBI is investigating the current one for embezzlement (sp?), I think.

There's a LOT of corruption in the local police dept, sherrif's dept, and the fire dept (to an extent). IT's bad in this crap town. I have almost no respect for the local police and sherrif's depts. Other then the officers that I know personally. When the chief of police is breaking the law instead of preventing it (aka the OPPOSITE of his job) then it makes the dept look bad. Not only that, but the chief has also been in multiple car wrecks in city vehicles where he had been drinking (at least) and nothing was done about it. It was all swept under the rug.


FINALLY it's gotten to the point where the FEDs are getting involved.



That said, when I go out of town to San Antonio (or wherever) I have complete respect for those guys. Same with our federal agencies and state agencies.

Oh without a doubt there are bad officers in every department. But that does not give a person the right to not listen to an officers instructions. Which is clearly what happend in this case. Regardless of how someone wants to spin it. The officer told him to put his hands behind his back (normal people understand that means I am under arrest). He refuse and that is resisting.

 

[theogt]

Rack your talkin to people who have no clue. They get their idea of police work from watching CSI. Attitudes like this is why this guy got tasered. The general public as a whole nowadays has NO respect for law enforement. Making the job that much harder. This whole thing reminds of people complaining when an officer has to use deadly force with someone because they have a gun. They want to know why the police didnt just shoot the gun out of his hand. :bang2:

You're sitting here saying that simply giving a cop attitude means he should get tased.

And you wonder why people have little respect for cops.

A big reason people have little respect for cops is because there are a lot of jack***es that become cops that abuse their power. This cop was clearly one of them. Just listen to how he was talking toward the end. He got a sense of joy out of inflicting pain on the guy.

 

[CowboyPrincess]

The driver was clearly not showing any respect to the officer. Even if the police officer is completely wrong in pulling him over, you are still required to show some respect.

Why??? Why is a civilian "required" to show respect when an officer was wrong. "RESPECT" is a privilege that is earned.

In the political zone we are having this same discussion. I told my exerience with an officer and his taser and how he is now required to stay clear of me for abusing his power.

In recent years we have had several officers arrested for child molestation, child pornography, drug dealing, spousal abuse and abuse of power. Those officers and officials being sargents, lieutenants, a former district attorney, officer in charge of the juvenile corrections department and the officer in charge of the police explorers.... We also have an officer that is a current spousal abuser that is still on duty and has not faced any charges even though police had been called out to his home several times.

How do you show respect to a group of people that can't keep their own house clean. Like I said.. RESPECT is earned and not given easily and without merit.

To this day I still roll my window up at least half way, lock my door and get ready to speed dial 911, boyfriend or dad.


On a totally unrelated note..... I got my tree up today. It looks like it belongs at the Texas Stadium.... I made homemade ornaments...Blue balls w/ single silver stars on them, silver stars, silver balls with blue stars and a Cowboys Star for the topper. It is really pretty and I'd take a picture of it and post it but as I've said in the past... my camera was stolen by baggage handlers at the airport on my vacation last month

 

[Kevinicus]

Oh without a doubt there are bad officers in every department. But that does not give a person the right to not listen to an officers instructions. Which is clearly what happend in this case. Regardless of how someone wants to spin it. The officer told him to put his hands behind his back (normal people understand that means I am under arrest). He refuse and that is resisting.

That is after the cop pulled the tazer. As far as I'm concerned EVERYTHING that happened after he pullled the tazer was the cops fault. The man wasn't looking at him as a cop at that point, but as a crazy man who had lost it, which is perfectly understandable since he was acting like someone who had in fact, lost it.


And cops do not have absolute authority in the world. There are limits to their power. They can't just tell people to do anything and everything and act a fool and physically threaten them for no reason.

All the cop had to do was repeat his order to the man to put his hands on the car, since he didn't really hear it the first time. Then maybe, if the man refused and resisted, then the tazer could come into play. If the officer really thought there was a threat he shouldn't have turned his back on the guy when they were walking back to the car.

 

[heavyg]

That is after the cop pulled the tazer. As far as I'm concerned EVERYTHING that happened after he pullled the tazer was the cops fault. The man wasn't looking at him as a cop at that point, but as a crazy man who had lost it, which is perfectly understandable since he was acting like someone who had in fact, lost it.


And cops do not have absolute authority in the world. There are limits to their power. They can't just tell people to do anything and everything and act a fool and physically threaten them for no reason.

All the cop had to do was repeat his order to the man to put his hands on the car, since he didn't really hear it the first time. Then maybe, if the man refused and resisted, then the tazer could come into play. If the officer really thought there was a threat he shouldn't have turned his back on the guy when they were walking back to the car.

You guys are acting like this cop pulled him over just to test out his taser. Give me a break. The guy got caught speeding. Sign the ticket, fight it in court and move on. This cop was well within his rights and authority.

 

[theogt]

You guys are acting like this cop pulled him over just to test out his taser. Give me a break. The guy got caught speeding. Sign the ticket, fight it in court and move on. This cop was well within his rights and authority.

You are acting like getting caught speeding is sufficient reason to get tasered. Give me a break. The cop abused his power. He should be suspended or prohibited from carrying a taser.

 

[Rack]

Why??? Why is a civilian "required" to show respect when an officer was wrong. "RESPECT" is a privilege that is earned.

I agree respect is earned, but the officer wasn't in the wrong. He gave simple instructions and the subject did not comply.

 

[heavyg]

You are acting like getting caught speeding is sufficient reason to get tasered. Give me a break. The cop abused his power. He should be suspended or prohibited from carrying a taser.

You just can't see the forrest for the trees can you? It wasn't the speeding he got tasered for. It was for resisting arrest :bang2:

Ok im really done this time. Argue amongts yourselves

 

[CowboyPrincess]

I agree respect is earned, but the officer wasn't in the wrong. He gave simple instructions and the subject did not comply.

But at the same time, we don't know what kind of experiences this individual has had with this officer or other officers in the past.

Like I said earlier.. .because of my previous experience with a punk cop and because of all the law breaking officials locally, I don't trust or respect ANY cop now. I would rather send my child to a strangers door for help than trust that a police officer was safe. Now when I am pulled over, I get scared and take protective measures for myself and my child. To hell with the cops assumption that he be "respected". Respect for cops left decades ago thanks in part to corruption, abuse of power and pedophiles dressed in police clothing

If this incident happened in Utah and signing a ticket isn't a requirement of a citizen at a traffic stop... the cop was out of line.

When I was in Oregon, it wasn't required to sign a ticket at a traffic stop. Just as signing your termination papers isn't a requirement when you get fired from a job. The officers did as employers do... printed on the signature line - Refused to sign. The citizen would then get a summons in the mail to appear in court to answer the charge and that was that.

 

[heavyg]

If this incident happened in Utah and signing a ticket isn't a requirement of a citizen at a traffic stop... the cop was out of line.

From what I read of their policy the officer has the option to write refused to sign or arrest the subject. In this case the officer decided to arrest him. If it were me. I would have wrote refused to sign. But thats just me. I really am not that big of a hard ***. But I also see where the driver in this case was wrong for not doing what he was told.

 

[theogt]

You just can't see the forrest for the trees can you? It wasn't the speeding he got tasered for. It was for resisting arrest :bang2:

Ok im really done this time. Argue amongts yourselves

The point of my post was to show how strawmen work. Your post that I was replying to was a strawman argument.