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nyc;1359891 said:
Ditka was the first of his kind back in the day. (Receiving TE) Today, he wouldn't be a tight end he would be a receiver. (6'3 220lbs) He was basically a receiver that could block.
I don't know how this fits into your overall point, but Ditka was a great TE.

A very physical player. A fine blocker. The old footage of him as a Bear shows a guy who got yards after contact. He'd aggressively run through would be tacklers. He busted through tackles. He was best suited to play where he played (at TE) during his time.

He wasn't especially fast. I don't think he ever had the speed or quickness to play WR - even during his era. I know that he didn't have that kind of quickness during his time as a Cowboys player.
 

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DizzG;1359920 said:
this is hilarious. reading this site lately

Rivera isnt worth it due to last night. Singletary isnt worth it. Bill Cowher is overrated. Wade Phillips and Norv suck. Garrett is too young. Jim Caldwell would be a waste...and on and on and on

is there anyone that people on this site want to hire?
Jimmy... ;) :rolleyes:


Unfortunately all the candidates interviewed or to be interviewed have huge warts. None of them make me believe that they can take the 'boys are going to that next level.
 

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nyc;1359843 said:
I don't want Singletary.

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, coach (actually teach)
Those that could and now coach, fail.
So, if I am following this logic correctly, ex-players have some inherent flaw that prevent them from being good coaches? :confused:

The fact is, just about all coaches in the NFL played in the league at one time or another. It's not that former star athletes who become coaches fail, it's more that former star athletes don't usually become coaches.

Anyway to the OP, I am on the Singletary bandwagon so I hope that you're reading the tea leaves correctly.
 

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nyc;1359843 said:
I don't want Singletary.

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, coach (actually teach)
Those that could and now coach, fail.

There are very few special players that end up as great coaches. Can anyone name one? Don't say Dungy, Ditka, etc. While these coaches played for Superbowl teams, they weren't a top the list of the players on the team. Though some say Ditka was a top 100 player, the only reason I think he won the superbowl in the first place is because of surprise in Buddy Ryan's 46 defense had on the league. Once that defense was figured out, his Bears vanished.


It's not that hard to do a little research if you don't know the answers before posting drivel.

How about these HOF players who went on to become a head coach.

Raymond Berry - Lead the Patriots to their first SB appearance.

Forrest Gregg - Lead the Bengals to a SB appearance.

Art Shell - Was the AFC coach of the year his first go round with the Raiders.

And those are just the "modern-era" HOFers.


Now it's your turn to back up your claim and name one HOF player that didn't become a successful HC.
 

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WoodysGirl;1359929 said:
Jimmy... ;) :rolleyes:


Unfortunately all the candidates interviewed or to be interviewed have huge warts. None of them make me believe that they can take the 'boys are going to that next level.

Agreed.

No names make me "drool" when thinking about them.

We either go with someone that is a retread...or we go with the young unproven guys who may not be ready.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1359899 said:
What does that have to do with anything?

LBs are bigger now.

DTs and DEs are bigger now.

Some DTs back then would be too small to play today.

Some linemen back then would be too small or would have to be Blocking TEs now.

Really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

It has everything to do with it! He had size, speed and agility that noone else of that time had. (6'3 230lbs 1961) Ever heard of Jim Brown (6'2 230lbs 1957), Wilt Chamberlain (7'1 275lbs 1959), Shaquille O'neil (7'1 325lbs 1992) ? They were all firsts of their kind. HUGE with better tools than guys much smaller than they were.

Freaks of nature.
 

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i dont know about any of u but im starting to like this wait by jerry jones. searching every possible resource he can looking for the next coach. i applaud jerry for not making a fly by the pants pick, without interviewing everybody possible
 

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then who is out there that should be hired? just about every single person named on this site as speculation or some news story has been shot down by many

Singletary would be a solid hire IMO. Rivera would be a great hire. hell I wouldnt even object to just letting Garrett take over now

people seem to think Parcells did some great job this year and that if Dallas hires any of these guys they go back to 5 wins next year. Its crap. any of these guys could easily do a much better job than Parcells did this year and Dallas was a playoff team a snap away from the second round. It wouldnt be hard to improve the coaching Dallas had under Parcells. it was NOT that good
 

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DizzG;1359920 said:
this is hilarious. reading this site lately

Rivera isnt worth it due to last night. Singletary isnt worth it. Bill Cowher is overrated. Wade Phillips and Norv suck. Garrett is too young. Jim Caldwell would be a waste...and on and on and on

is there anyone that people on this site want to hire?
I'd like to hire Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan. I don't mind Singetary as HC, but he's a bad pick for DC.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1359933 said:
Agreed.

No names make me "drool" when thinking about them.

We either go with someone that is a retread...or we go with the young unproven guys who may not be ready.
Yep that's pretty much it...

I'm pretty resigned to the fact that whoever is hired is going to have to make me a believer.
 

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nyc;1359934 said:
It has everything to do with it! He had size, speed and agility that noone else of that time had. (6'3 230lbs 1961) Ever heard of Jim Brown (6'2 230lbs 1957), Wilt Chamberlain (7'1 275lbs 1959), Shaquille O'neil (7'1 325lbs 1992) ? They were all firsts of their kind. HUGE with better tools than guys much smaller than they were.

Freaks of nature.

I know that at the time.

I am not getting what it has to do with you saying no great players could be coaches and than someone gives you the name Ditka and you bring that point up.

I guess you were just commenting on ditka and not the topic at hand.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1359922 said:
I am talking about Football...not the other sports.

It seems Football is very different when going from player to coach than the other sports.

Mean Joe Greene was in that list. HOF Steeler of the 70s. Cornorstone of the Steel curtain. 10 pro-bowls, 4 superbowls, #1 round draft choice #4 overall in 1969. HOF class of 1987.
 

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DizzG;1359941 said:
then who is out there that should be hired? just about every single person named on this site as speculation or some news story has been shot down by many
You do realize that there are ALOT of different people on here who have ALOT of different opinions on who is the right candidate, right? There's not going to be a consensus. I ask, because I've seen you make this same post about 15 different times today.

Some people think Norv is a good hire. These people are insane.

Some people think Rivera is a good hire. I think that depends.

Phillips, IMO makes the most sense to us. I'm sure plenty of people think that's ridiculous.

We're not going to all agree.
 

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summerisfunner;1359940 said:
I must have missed where it had anything to do w/ his coaching abilities...

Read the posts in question. Do you suffer from A.D.D.?
 

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DizzG;1359941 said:
then who is out there that should be hired? just about every single person named on this site as speculation or some news story has been shot down by many

Singletary would be a solid hire IMO. Rivera would be a great hire. hell I wouldnt even object to just letting Garrett take over now

people seem to think Parcells did some great job this year and that if Dallas hires any of these guys they go back to 5 wins next year. Its crap. any of these guys could easily do a much better job than Parcells did this year and Dallas was a playoff team a snap away from the second round. It wouldnt be hard to improve the coaching Dallas had under Parcells. it was NOT that good
It's not about Parcells though. Parcells is no longer HC of the Cowboys.

It's the fact that a case can be made for and against every candidate involved. There's no clear cut guy that says, "Yes! He's the one!"
 

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nyc;1359947 said:
Mean Joe Greene was in that list. HOF Steeler of the 70s. Cornorstone of the Steel curtain. 10 pro-bowls, 4 superbowls, #1 round draft choice #4 overall in 1969. HOF class of 1987.

So...we can say Ditka is one against your theory...and Mean Joe is one for your theory.

Seems pretty much a stalemate if that is your case.

I think my theory holds more water than yours if that is your argument.:)
 

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nyc;1359952 said:
Read the posts in question. Do you suffer from A.D.D.?

I'm sorry, I kind of get lost when people argue in tangents

I thought the topic at hand was HOFamers dont' make great coaches? and your post still makes no sense since everyone was smaller in the '60s and '70s in the NFL than they are now
 
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