Could Rob Petitti be the Odd man out??

[Rack]

obsessed? so if you make a few posts in a thread does that make you obssesed with something?

I guess some just cant see the forest for the trees

David

Don't argue with him about obsessions. He knows ALL ABOUT obsessions...

 

[AbeBeta]

For once I'd like to see some folks step up and give the "credit" for at least 10 of our sacks to the person that deserves them-- Bledsoe.

You put ANY QB back there other then David Carr, Bledsoe and Rob Johnson and we wouldn't have had 40 sacks on the season.

You get a trade off with Drew. He'll take sacks -- but he'll also hang in there and get you some long gains on plays where other QBs will just throw it away.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells said pretty clearly that the first two preseason games were for evaluating players, but the next two were for getting the starters ready for the season. Not that every position is locked up, but the time for experimentation is over for the most part. If Petitti isn't in the top two at RT by now, I seriously doubt he's a candidate to start there.

But this might all be moot. One of the guys might play horribly the last two games, or one could even get hurt. But if that doesn't happen and Petitti is the one Parcells decides to let go, he won't be the best player the Dallas Cowboys have ever cut.

 

[ZeroClub]

If he isn't seen as having progressed enough to make the team, he'll be cut. Of course. And as he should be. Parcell has got to do what he's got to do. Business is business.

On a more emotional sort of level, though, I think it really would be too bad if Petitti were the odd man out. He endured a lot last year - forced into action when he was so green. He obviously worked very hard during the off season - with real dedication. It would be a shame if this is how his career, as a Cowboy anyway, ended.

I'm pulling for him - that all of his hard work results in the kind of performance level that allows him to make the team.

 

[DLCassidy]

Parcells said flat out that he wanted to have his starters figured out after last weekend. Yes there's been an strong effort on his part to give all the tackles a fair chance but he already knows what he wants to do there IMO.

Whatever you see starting Saturday is what BP sees starting the season, other than injured guys. I do think that a couple of the contests are close enough that he could still change his mind. But as someone hoping for the best for Rob I am concerned for him. IMO he's squarely on the bubble. If we decide to keep 9 likely Fabini or Petitti will have to go and it's a close call.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Actually, I blamed #52 all last year .. I was consistent the whole season. #52 was our worst lineman last year which made the rest of the line even worse .. the old "chain as strong as its weakest link" saying goes here.

I watched all the 05 season games again this spring and can't argue that - but I do have a caveat for Al and his skill set, and that Bill envisioned him as a Kevin Mawae style center who was going to have to make up for in girth with toughness, technique, nastiness and even "dirtiness".

And his real assets would be in agility..in the ability to pull and lead sweeps...I've felt along Al's ideal line would feature teamamtes with more agility than it has had, and we haven't been able to see him at his best because the line was never coherently developed schematically...it's been beleaguered and somewhat patchworked.

I also haven't been impressed by the line coaching - it got Warhop a ticket out of town, and ironically Sparano a promotion. But after seeing what Bill Muir did under Parcells in NY with rookies like Randy Thomas and pre-injury Ryan Young, (well...they weren't 'busts' like Rogers and Peterman, but their success may have figured into Bill's 2004 draft philosophy), I have wondered if Al would have been further along technically elsewhere.

I also wonder if his astounding rookie year rehabilitation program (for which he won the Tuna "trained pig" kudos) is actually ongoing...if his injury was one that takes years to get back to 100 percent.

He's still young - I think he has considerably better play in him than we have seen to date. But I've also got no issue with Dre starting, if that is how it unfolds.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

For once I'd like to see some folks step up and give the "credit" for at least 10 of our sacks to the person that deserves them-- Bledsoe.

I think you could legitimately hang ten on Drew.

PS Happy belated B'day, Mikey. Hope you had a good one.

 

[Kilyin]

Several of the sacks were caused by pressure up the middle. Last year, game after game I watched #52 stand there blocking air while defensive linemen and linebackers ran right by him without #52 even trying to touch them. If the defense was made of air, #52 would be an all-pro.

I don't hate #52 and I really hope he has improved this year. That being said, I don't believe that #52 would be a starter on any other team in the league including the Browns. I don't want him released, but I don't want to see him start until he learns how to do his blocking assignments correctly.

-Reality

You've been debunked on this by myself and various other credible posters here, many times, yet you continue to post this nonsense and offer nothing but sweeping generalizations to back it up.

K.C. Joyner — It was a case of the tackles being awful and the inside blockers being very good. Torrin Tucker had a terrible blocking percentage and Rob Petitti’s was one of the worst in the NFL. All the inside blockers (guards and centers) had 80%+ success rates. A 90% success rate is excellent and anything in the 80s is good.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You get a trade off with Drew. He'll take sacks -- but he'll also hang in there and get you some long gains on plays where other QBs will just throw it away.

I agree with that. And don't have a problem with it. But you can't constantly rerate the offensive line for all the sacks issues.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think you could legitimately hang ten on Drew.

PS Happy belated B'day, Mikey. Hope you had a good one.

Thank you B.

 

[chinch]

i see Rob as a lock given his lack of playing time this preseason coupled with tuna's comments on he saw him 16 games last season.

also we need depth and experience at OL... you can always go get a WR/ST guy but good luck going to get a useful OL mid-season.

 

[DLCassidy]

Actually, I blamed #52 all last year .. I was consistent the whole season. #52 was our worst lineman last year which made the rest of the line even worse .. the old "chain as strong as its weakest link" saying goes here.

If Johnson was as weak as you say why was he only charged with 1.25 sacks last year and .50 the year before? IMO Johnson is an ok pass blocker. He does occassionally get pushed back into the QB but the idea that he was the weak link last year in pass protection can't be defended IMO in a season when Tucker and Petitti allowed 25. And do you dislike him so much you can't refer to him by name? What's that all about?

 

[Alexander]

i see Rob as a lock given his lack of playing time this preseason coupled with tuna's comments on he saw him 16 games last season.

Petitti, like Nate Jones and Terrance Copper, might just be one of those "he is what he is" players. Coach Parcells has stated he isn't getting the mental portion to go up against the elite this year and that was all he was lacking. He probably won't be cut, but I have a tough time believing he will just be the right tackle starter if he got next to no time with the other four starters. Chemistry is important and it looks like Colombo has got more of the quality time.

I never thought Colombo could do it and I have to give him credit (as well as the posters who thought he could start).

 

[Concord]

Parcells was asked about Petitti and he said "His roster spot is not in jeopardy right now"

Stick a fork in him...he's done!

 

[aikemirv]

Could he be put on the practice squad and survive.

I know there is a "years in the league" rule to the practice squad. - Is there a games played rule also?

 

[cc cowboy]

I don't think there is any way that pettiti gets cut and Fabini stays with the team. Why would you cut young tallent for an on older player with not much left?

 

[LatinMind]

LOL .. this is no different than:

"Romo's going to be the starter because he played the whole first preseason game."

"Vanderjaqt is going to be cut if he doesn't get on the field soon."

etc.

Petitti will be on the team this year. The first 2-3 preseason games are for evaluating players he doesn't know .. he already knows what Petitti can do.

-Reality

well all parcells knows that pettiti can do is get beat off the corner by every De in the league..thats all he showed last yr..this yr at the begining of training camp pettiti was still getting beat..and thats why theres more of a rotation of colombo and fabini rather then pettiti..and not because of the reasons u think..pettiti was a last resort last yr..he started because dallas had nobody left..its obvious he's fallen down the tackle ladder..i dont know if he gets cut, but i know he isnt going to be the starter

 

[DLCassidy]

I don't think there is any way that pettiti gets cut and Fabini stays with the team. Why would you cut young tallent for an on older player with not much left?

It all depends. If the staff feel McQuistan has superior potential for the future they may be looking at mostly "who can help us more this year"? If Columbo is going to start and McQuistan isn't going to dress the question may be "who do I feel most comfortable replacing Flo or Columbo with in the event of an injury this year"? Rob needs to make them more comfotable he can do that job than Fabini. It could be just that simple.

 

[aikemirv]

It all depends. If the staff feel McQuistan has superior potential for the future they may be looking at mostly "who can help us more this year"? If Columbo is going to start and McQuistan isn't going to dress the question may be "who do I feel most comfortable replacing Flo or Columbo with in the event of an injury this year"? Rob needs to make them more comfotable he can do that job than Fabini. It could be just that simple.

Exactly!

 

[burmafrd]

SOme people claim to be so very certain. Gonna be fun when they have to eat their words. ONE thing to remember about those SACK records: they only account for the one you are blocking if HE makes the sack. IF for instance as a center or guard you allow enough penetration so that the QB CANNOT step up into the pocket and a DE that was being forced outside is able to make the tackle then the Tackle doing the blocking is charged with the sack- not the guard or center that actually was more responsible.