Could the Big12 and PAC10 Combine?

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So it is possible A&M may throw everyone for a loop in this and defect to the SEC instead of following Texas. I personally would love to see the Aggies in the SEC. Rumor has it OU is considering it as well...

Possible scenario?
Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State leave to form Pac 14.

Nebraska leaves to Big 10.

Texas A&M and OU leave to SEC.

MWC expands to 12 or 14 to include Boise State, Kansas State, Kansas, Baylor, and/or Missouri.

I would be happy with this. The rivalries won't die, as A&M and OU can always still play UT just not as conference games. Pac-14 gets it's Texas and Denver markets, SEC gets better, and MWC gets much better not only in football but basketball.



Although... the easiest thing for the Big 12 would be to let Nebraska defect like Colorado has, and just patch the holes with teams like TCU and Boise State.


I don't see OU and TAM going their own way. I mean, it could happen, but I doubt it will. OKSt. goes where ever OU goes IMO and OU has publically said that they are following Texas. However, if TAM were to decide to go it alone in the SEC, which I don't understand why the SEC would do that, then all bets are off. Texas could no longer be held by Texas Legislature to ties with A&M or any other school in Texas. The need to joing another Conference would go away and Texas, IMO, would do what would be in their own best interest, which is to start their own Network and become an Independent. At least, I think that's probably what they would do. If they joing the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10, they have to share TV revenue. If TAM bails on Texas, then Texas is no longer forced to have to join another conference and take TAM and Tech with them. JMO on that thou.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430523 said:
I don't see OU and TAM going their own way. I mean, it could happen, but I doubt it will. OKSt. goes where ever OU goes IMO and OU has publically said that they are following Texas. However, if TAM were to decide to go it alone in the SEC, which I don't understand why the SEC would do that, then all bets are off. Texas could no longer be held by Texas Legislature to ties with A&M or any other school in Texas. The need to joing another Conference would go away and Texas, IMO, would do what would be in their own best interest, which is to start their own Network and become an Independent. At least, I think that's probably what they would do. If they joing the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10, they have to share TV revenue. If TAM bails on Texas, then Texas is no longer forced to have to join another conference and take TAM and Tech with them. JMO on that thou.

Texas and Texas A&M have been is discussion this week if a move happens I'm sure they will move together.
 

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Doomsday101;3430526 said:
Texas and Texas A&M have been is discussion this week if a move happens I'm sure they will move together.

I believe they meet last night. I agree, TAM would be stupid to go a different way then Texas but I guess we'll see. I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing in just TAM into the SEC if your the SEC. Doesn't make any sense. I could see it if they offered a deal where you had to bring Baylor. That would give access to Market Share and recruiting but not just TAM. I don't see that.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430541 said:
I believe they meet last night. I agree, TAM would be stupid to go a different way then Texas but I guess we'll see. I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing in just TAM into the SEC if your the SEC. Doesn't make any sense. I could see it if they offered a deal where you had to bring Baylor. That would give access to Market Share and recruiting but not just TAM. I don't see that.

A Big 12 football coach, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach on Wednesday night that if Nebraska left the Big 12 the conference would dissolve, according to his athletics director and university president. The coach said Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado would join the Pac-10, leaving Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State behind.


Looks like the key will be Nebraska and what they choose to do.
 

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Doomsday101;3430572 said:
A Big 12 football coach, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach on Wednesday night that if Nebraska left the Big 12 the conference would dissolve, according to his athletics director and university president. The coach said Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado would join the Pac-10, leaving Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State behind.


Looks like the key will be Nebraska and what they choose to do.

I saw that piece. According to what I heard last night, the reason for this was stated as a trust thing between Texas and Nebraska. Apparently, Texas feels like Nebraska is the one program in the North that they felt like they could work with, in terms of TV Negotiations etc. The report said that no other school was trusted to work with to hammer out a revised deal. I find that a bit odd but I don't know enough about it to say they are correct or they are 10K off the mark. It would, however, explain a lot of things. Seems as if the Big 12 could survive it they could find suitable replacements for Nebraska and Colorado. IDK
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430576 said:
I saw that piece. According to what I heard last night, the reason for this was stated as a trust thing between Texas and Nebraska. Apparently, Texas feels like Nebraska is the one program in the North that they felt like they could work with, in terms of TV Negotiations etc. The report said that no other school was trusted to work with to hammer out a revised deal. I find that a bit odd but I don't know enough about it to say they are correct or they are 10K off the mark. It would, however, explain a lot of things. Seems as if the Big 12 could survive it they could find suitable replacements for Nebraska and Colorado. IDK

The Way the Houston Cougars are playing I would love to see them get into the big 12 and try to rob the Iowa Hawkeyes from the Big10. :D
 

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Doomsday101;3430590 said:
The Way the Houston Cougars are playing I would love to see them get into the big 12 and try to rob the Iowa Hawkeyes from the Big10. :D

We would never get Iowa from the Big 10 because they make way more money in the Big 10 then they could in the Big 12 because of how the money is split. However, I wouldn't mind looking at Boise St. and Utah.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430600 said:
We would never get Iowa from the Big 10 because they make way more money in the Big 10 then they could in the Big 12 because of how the money is split. However, I wouldn't mind looking at Boise St. and Utah.
If the six Big 12 schools leave for the Pac 10 then a MWC merger with the remaining Big 12 pieces (plus Boise) seems like it would add up to a BCS worthy conference.

If Texas Tech actually gets in the Pac 10, they seem like the biggest winner of all out these musical chairs. I bet they would be ecstatic to end up with a better deal than schools like Missouri, Kansas, etc. I like Tech, so good for them...but they are really benefiting with the UT coattails. They also benefit from Cal-Berkley not wanting a conservative (and religious afflilated) school like Baylor getting into the Pac 10.
 

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If the Big 12 falls apart, and it sounds like it will, what happens to the Big 12 automatic bids? Are they now given to the Pac 10 or do they disappear? There have been rumblings that the falling of the Big 12 would create a 4 team playoff to determine the National Champion.
 

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If the Big 12 falls apart, and it sounds like it will, what happens to the Big 12 automatic bids? Are they now given to the Pac 10 or do they disappear? There have been rumblings that the falling of the Big 12 would create a 4 team playoff to determine the National Champion.

I think the Big 12's bid (Fiesta) goes to the MWC.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430616 said:
I think the Big 12's bid (Fiesta) goes to the MWC.

I would like to see the BCS get rid of the automatic bids and just have the bowl games be played by the teams national ranking.
 

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Welcome, everyone, to On-the-Record Friday. As you know, major college athletics is in the midst of a massive reorganization. So far, most of the news of that reorganization has come from "sources" or "trusted sources" or "a source close to BCS coordinator Bill Hancock's father's brother's mother's cousin's former dry cleaner."

I can't criticize too much. I've been guilty of it myself. (In my defense, this was fairly significant news at the time.) Still, you, dear readers, deserve answers straight from the mouths of the people who make the decisions. Will five more Big 12 teams leave for the Pac-10, or will the SEC swoop in and change everyone's plans? Will the Big Ten add Nebraska and then stop expanding? Will the Big East pervert geography and entertain the thought of adding Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Missouri? Today, we should have answers to some of those questions.

We got a taste Thursday, when Colorado announced it would leave the Big 12 and join the Pac-10, which at the moment has 11 members. "This is the dawning of a new day for the Pac-10," first-year commissioner Larry Scott trumpeted on a conference call cut short by the fact that Colorado's president and chancellor couldn't figure out how to un-mute their lines to tell us how they felt about this exciting development. Later in the day, Scott told reporters the conference might just stand pat at 11 teams.

Now that it's On-the-Record Friday, here's hoping Scott won't insult our intelligence any further. It's not a bright new day for your conference if the only school you've added has a football team that got crushed by Toledo last year and then didn't have the cash on hand to fire its underperforming coach. It is, however, a bright new day if Colorado is the first of six new members.

Who might those members be? We know what the sources have said. Hopefully, on On-the-Record Friday, we'll know for sure. Nebraska's board of regents meets Friday at 2 p.m. ET. Nebraska isn't going to the Pac-10, but all the sources have told us that when the regents -- after a public comment period that could be highly entertaining -- discuss agenda item VI, they will resolve to leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten. That would bump the membership of that mathematically challenged league to 12 teams.

More importantly, it would allow the Texas-led junta of would-be defectors to finally put the Big 12 as we know it out of its misery. The group includes the Longhorns, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. It may also include Texas A&M, which through Thursday remained a target of the SEC. Hopefully, On-the-Record Friday will provide fewer unnamed sources and more clarity.

The search for clarity may stretch for days, though. If the dog and pony show Scott is putting on at Colorado on Friday is any indication, he may want schools to space out announcements to milk the attention for his league. Pac-10 and Tournament of Roses officials will descend on Boulder like the Beatles landing at JFK. Even the governor of Colorado will take part in the festivities. This is another brilliant move by Scott, who deserves every penny the Pac-10 paid him to lure him away from the Women's Tennis Association. But while brilliant, it will be maddening for those of us who just want the rest of the schools to go on the record and admit they're changing conferences.

We have a pretty good idea who isn't in the group. Baylor president Ken Starr, the former federal judge who once investigated President Bill Clinton's extracurriculars with White House intern Monica Lewinsky, posted a message on his athletic department's Web site Thursday that included the following sentence: "In any event, the Big 12 will be competing for at least another two years." In other words, enjoy the last few minutes in the land of the big boys.

Starr's message also contained some intriguing political saber-rattling. U.S. Rep Chet Edwards urged Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and Texas Speaker of the House Joe Straus to call immediate hearings in the Texas legislature to investigate the breakup of the Big 12. "These decisions are too important to be decided solely by a small handful of people behind closed doors without public input from the citizens of our great state," Edwards said. "The Texas legislature has a responsibility to our taxpayers to review the impact of any conference realignment on our state's economy and historic relationships between our state's universities and their respective communities."

Not to be outdone, Texas State Rep. Jim Dunham wrote a fiery op-ed piece for the Austin American-Statesman. "The Baltimore Colts can slink out at night to Indianapolis, and Jerry Jones can fire Tom Landry. They own the teams. But our public universities are owned by all Texans," Dunham wrote. "If the boards who are supposed to protect the interests of today and tomorrow's generation of Texans want to consider moving to California, we at least deserve public debate and discussion." Dunham sure sounds like he loves public universities, which is interesting, because Dunham has an undergraduate degree and a law degree from the same private university: Baylor.

At this point, Baylor's best chance -- as Twitter follower Pat Richter of Austin put it so eloquently Thursday night -- is if Linda Tripp has tapes of Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds talking to the Pac-10. That would be a fine way to celebrate On-the-Record Friday, the day we (hopefully) get some real answers.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...s/06/11/expansion-decisions/index.html?hpt=T3
 

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I read an article that claims that the Pac-10 is demanding that they receive 2 automatic BCS berths, one for each division.
 

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Doomsday101;3430590 said:
The Way the Houston Cougars are playing I would love to see them get into the big 12 and try to rob the Iowa Hawkeyes from the Big10. :D
Any reformed Big 12 would have to look at TCU IMO. But it looks like a lost cause at this point.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430516 said:
I agree, none of those schools are in the class of Kansas but no conference they could go to is in there class, as far as basketball is concerned so to me, that's a moot point. I think you underestimate BBall in the Mountain West. They are not ACC but they are pretty good. You bring in a school like Kansas and they improve immediately. I think it could be a good move for both Kansas and the MWC.

1. ACC (Big East could be argued, but I know you'll agree with me here.:D)
2. Big East
3. Big 12
4. Big 10
5. SEC
6. Pac 10

7. MAYBE then the MWC. I don't know though, lately I might argue WCC with Gonzaga and St. Mary's, or CUSA with Memphis, UAB and this year UTEP.

Kansas is going to improve any conference. But the MWC is going to be raped by the incoming schools. I don't see how that's "good for KU basketball" at all. They're no longer playing the big boys.
 

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peplaw06;3430643 said:
Any reformed Big 12 would have to look at TCU IMO. But it looks like a lost cause at this point.

Very true. I hope it is not a lost cause. Many of the road trips fans take are not that far moving to the Pac-10 would change that.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3430600 said:
We would never get Iowa from the Big 10 because they make way more money in the Big 10 then they could in the Big 12 because of how the money is split. However, I wouldn't mind looking at Boise St. and Utah.
Iowa (or any team) leaving the Big 10 (and it's 20 million per year per team TV payouts and 100+ year history and overall athletic/academic prestige) is out of the question.
 

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peplaw06;3430652 said:
1. ACC (Big East could be argued, but I know you'll agree with me here.:D)
2. Big East
3. Big 12
4. Big 10
5. SEC
6. Pac 10

7. MAYBE then the MWC. I don't know though, lately I might argue WCC with Gonzaga and St. Mary's, or CUSA with Memphis, UAB and this year UTEP.

Kansas is going to improve any conference. But the MWC is going to be raped by the incoming schools. I don't see how that's "good for KU basketball" at all. They're no longer playing the big boys.

Geographically, the ACC would not work IMO. The Big East is about to be Raided itself and if that happens, Kansas would only be moving to a like situation IMO. Big 12 will be gone, Big 10 does not want Kansas, SEC does not want Kansas and the Pac 10, apparently, doesn't either. I would love to see Kansas hang in with the rest of the Big 12 schools but they were not offered. WWC is completely out of the question. First of all, you only have 8 teams and all of them are located in the Pacific West. They area all also religious affiliated Universities. The travel needed to support Kansas, which is D1 in all mens and womens sports would be unrealistic and that league doesn't make money, which is the major motivation for selecting a conference to jump to these days. Logically, the MWC is the best destination for Kansas, as things stand today. Of course, that's only my opinion.

The key in my earlier post was, "No Conference that they could go to is in their class." Even of the conferences you mentioned, only the ACC, Pac 10 and SEC have programs who rank with Kansas. UNC, Duke, Kentucky and UCLA. Realistically, unless the Pac 10 expands it's offer to include Kansas, which it won't because UCLA wants no part of Kansas Basketball, the Jayhawks are SOL because they don't have a great football program, which is what is pushing conference expansion right now. Big 10 might make sense but they don't need more Basketball programs. They are looking for universities who can fit academically and can improve their BCS standing.
 

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DFWJC;3430658 said:
Iowa (or any team) leaving the Big 10 (and it's 20 million per year per team TV payouts and 100+ year history and overall athletic/academic prestige) is out of the question.

Agreed.
 

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Salvaging the Big XII is just about out of the question now. We have already lost the Denver market and are likely to lose the Nebraska fanbase. Bringing in more Texas schools will not compensate our losses. We would need schools like LSU and Arkansas to join but I do not imagine that would happen.
 
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