Could the Big12 and PAC10 Combine?

[ABQCOWBOY]

You misunderstood my post. I wasn't saying who they should go to. I was simply ranking the conferences and the MWC is way down there. It's not good for KU basketball to go to the MWC no matter how you slice it. They would be better served staying where they were.

Now if you're talking about conferences they could go to, they're just as close geographically to the ACC as Texas is to the Pac-10. It's really not about geographic location anymore. Traveling from Austin or College Station to Seattle is halfway across the country. So basically, they COULD go anywhere. Who knows what the names of the new conferences would be. They may not have anything to do with geographic location.

I'm not arguing any of this... I'm simply arguing that KU basketball in the MWC is gonna be a joke. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

They would not be better served if the Big 12 goes away. That would mean they have to be an Independent and they could not generate enough revenue, just with Basketball, to do that. Joining the ACC for Kansas would be crazy IMO. Logistically, it just won't happen. If your just talking about Football, that's a pretty hectic trip, week in-week out but remember, you have all these other sports, men and women, who will be making those trips as well. As for Texas being just as far away from Seattle or whatever, that's not a good arguement. If they went to the Pac 10, which I doubt, there still playing Texas, Tech, OU, OKSt, TAM and either the Az schools or Colorado. All of those are pretty managable. If they go to the ACC, your talking about everything from Maryland down to Miami. There is nothing remotely the same about that travel schedule. Besides, why would the ACC include Kansas? They are already a very strong Basketball Conference. Kansas brings very little in that relationship. All that would do is cost more money IMO.

This is about more then just basketball or football. This is about being affilitated with a conference that has a major TV contract and a BCS share. The MWC is going to be a much bigger player after this all shakes out then they are today. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not impartial, but I don't think A&M would EVER not be attached to Texas at the hip wherever Texas goes. They'd have to change their fight song's lyrics.

I think A&M would go to the SEC w/o Texas.

 

[peplaw06]

This is about more then just basketball or football. This is about being affilitated with a conference that has a major TV contract and a BCS share. The MWC is going to be a much bigger player after this all shakes out then they are today. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

MY point about KANSAS basketball is NOT about more than basketball.

 

[peplaw06]

I think A&M would go to the SEC w/o Texas.

Who's horns are they gonna attempt to saw off? Goodbye to ________ university?

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Florida
Vanderbilt

They don't quite fit. :laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

MY point about KANSAS basketball is NOT about more than basketball.

Understood, but the factors Kansas will base a decision on will be.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I think that you underestimate basketball in the MWC. Its not the best in the country but its on the rise. The Lobos are going places right now with Steve Alford at the helm, they are only gonna get better. The hardest thing for the lobos is that nobody wants to come play them. And it really doesn't make alot of sense for any legit basketball school to do, which is unfortunate. With kansas and K state in the MWC they would have to. The pac 10 and MWC are gonna be the real winners of this whole deal when it all goes down.

 

[Cythim]

I think A&M would go to the SEC w/o Texas.

I agree, it wouldn't be the first in-state rivalry that has to cross conference lines. Some noteable ones: Florida/Florida St, Virginia/VTech, Georgia/GTech, Colorado/Colorado St, Iowa/Iowa St.

 

[jterrell]

various thoughts about this craziness.

I can't believe this mess happened. All because Nebraska is a whiny little *******. The Big 12 North didn't uphold their end of the football bargain because USC and Texas did so well keeping the top in state talent at the same time.

The Aggies are only talking to the SEC because of Gene Stallings as Regent. It will be wild to see them go it alone becaus eof a guy who may be passed on before they ever play an actual SEC football game.

I really don't care where they end up but if they leave the other Big 12 South schools they just lost their rivalries. TAMU might be a good fit in the SEC but for most of the state they will be irrelevant. Going to a conference with zero other Texas schools just doesn't make much sense to me.

I like this move as a Texas Techsan. Tech is 6 hours west of DFW so they don't at all mind shifting West. Lubbock becomes a central location in the Pac-16 East. I also like that TAMU may bail. Being the second Texas school in the Pac-16 will have serious recruiting advantages.

I also selfishly like getting to join a bigger conference where the old big 12 south teams should still rule in football. With USC on the skids these teams can sign the conference merger than pillage USC players, including some top flight guys from Texas who aren't starters for a now non-Bowl eligible team. And since my daughter has an early eye on Stanford as a first choice college it would be nice to see them come to the area and play; especially in women's basketball since that's my daughters sport.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

This stuff is crazy. I'm excited if its gonna happen, for UT and for my lobos. Anyone else think that they will salvage the Big 12. I think its very possible.

 

[jterrell]

I agree, it wouldn't be the first in-state rivalry that has to cross conference lines. Some noteable ones: Florida/Florida St, Virginia/VTech, Georgia/GTech, Colorado/Colorado St, Iowa/Iowa St.

The notable thing in those instances is the MAIN state school becomes super dominant with financing and the State or Tech versions are all in more minor conferences. Only VaTech is really fielding a comparable football team right now.

TAMU may well leave but my guess is they really live to regret it.

What exactly are they gonna do now to sell t-shirts? No calf fries, No bevo burgers, half their traditions in a tradition crazy school go bye-bye. Not only that but they'd not even have the most Jethro of schools. A few hanging trees on campus is nothing amongst SEC Confederate lore.

 

[jterrell]

This stuff is crazy. I'm excited if its gonna happen, for UT and for my lobos. Anyone else think that they will salvage the Big 12. I think its very possible.

As an aside...

I have a friend who played bball for NM. Ike Moe? He was beast for you guys, player of the conference and ended up playing professionally in Europe for a bit. He's back in Dallas now.

We went to high school together.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't know, JT. If I'm a big recruit in East Texas -- and we know they have a ton of talent -- do I want to play against Tech (no offense -- my parents went there) and Okie State and Arizona, or do I want to play against LSU and Tennessee and Alabama?

Easy choice if you ask me.

 

[UnoDallas]

Texas isn't going anywhere, right now they have the lions share of everything in their big 12 contract. there is no way they will give up that kind of cush deal. there is little to no benefit for them to do anything but stay put.

Esp when Texas can win it all every year.......

they are even afraid to play TCU

I look for them to jump Conference USA or the WAC

the wussies that they are

 

[peplaw06]

Understood, but the factors Kansas will base a decision on will be.

That's the whole point. I'm not talking about the other stuff.

My sole point is that I think KU basketball is going to suffer. And I think it's daft to think it's going to be good for their program to go to the MWC... as in an improvement. Sorry, not buying it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's the whole point. I'm not talking about the other stuff.

My sole point is that I think KU basketball is going to suffer. And I think it's daft to think it's going to be good for their program to go to the MWC... as in an improvement. Sorry, not buying it.

Not selling anything so your all good. Nobody ever said this was the greatest thing for Kansas. That's something you created. Bottom line here, Kansas Basketball is strong enough to thrive in any conference. The problem will be strength of conference but as time goes on, MWC will continue to get better just because of Kansas' presence in the conference. It is what it is.

 

[peplaw06]

Not selling anything so your all good. Nobody ever said this was the greatest thing for Kansas. That's something you created. Bottom line here, Kansas Basketball is strong enough to thrive in any conference. The problem will be strength of conference but as time goes on, MWC will continue to get better just because of Kansas' presence in the conference. It is what it is.

I know you're not saying it would be the "greatest thing" for Kansas. But you did say....

I think it could be a good move for both Kansas and the MWC.

I think that's lunacy.

I don't think it's good for KU basketball at all. Saying the MWC would get better just because of KU's presence is pure conjecture. I think it's just as likely that KU basketball is dragged down to the level of the rest of the conference. I don't think KU basketball is strong enough to thrive in just any conference. They may still be good, but a top 4 program like they have been? Doubtful.

 

[Cythim]

The notable thing in those instances is the MAIN state school becomes super dominant with financing and the State or Tech versions are all in more minor conferences. Only VaTech is really fielding a comparable football team right now.

You are only pointing out a trend that already happens. UT dominates TAMU and Tech in most sports. The other two might rise up to beat the Horns from time to time but it doesn't last. My point is that the rivalry will continue to live on. Texas and TAMU will still compete for the Lonestar Showdown while Tech sits on the sideline wishing they could join.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I know you're not saying it would be the "greatest thing" for Kansas. But you did say....

For Kansas University, it could be. Kansas doesn't just play Basketball. They have to be a part of a conference to support all their other sports for revenue sharing etc. As it stands now, ACC, Big 10, SEC and Pac 10 are probably out. Big East is going to probably meet the same kind of situation the Big 12 is going through. MWC is probably going to be one of the 5 or 6 major conferences left standing. That has to be good for Kansas considering their current position.

I think that's lunacy.

I don't think it's good for KU basketball at all. Saying the MWC would get better just because of KU's presence is pure conjecture. I think it's just as likely that KU basketball is dragged down to the level of the rest of the conference. I don't think KU basketball is strong enough to thrive in just any conference. They may still be good, but a top 4 program like they have been? Doubtful.

Besides moving to the ACC, which may get raided itself, what are their other options? Should they just say all Kansas is doing from here forward is play Basketball? Tough luck to all the rest of the sports? Go join the Big East? You tell me, what's the better option available to them right now?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

TAMU going to SEC could be the best thing that happens to Kansas. If they do, Kansas may end up in the Pac 10.

 

[big dog cowboy]

TAMU going to SEC could be the best thing that happens to Kansas. If they do, Kansas may end up in the Pac 10.

That would not be a popular choice. Everyone around here is freaking out about all of this as you can probably imagine. Hell it's the lead story on the news for crying out loud. From the fans perspective, the Big East seems to be the most popular choice right now. This whole thing just stinks.