Could the Big12 and PAC10 Combine?

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big dog cowboy;3431339 said:
That would not be a popular choice. Everyone around here is freaking out about all of this as you can probably imagine. Hell it's the lead story on the news for crying out loud. From the fans perspective, the Big East seems to be the most popular choice right now. This whole thing just stinks. :mad:

No, I don't doubt that at all. When I was a kid, as was mentioned earlier, it seems like you were either an Aggie Fan or a Horns fan. It's very, very hard for me to comprehend TAMU going to SEC but I guess it could happen.

Would be hard for me to see Kansas go to the Big East thou. They are probably going to be in the same position as the Big 12 soon. I don't know, this is all crazy. I don't like these Super Conferences. I don't know.
 

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I think these Super Conferneces are a step in the right direction. It seems more likely to have a playoff containing the Champs from 4 Super Conferences then ever would the way the NCAA is currently structured.
 

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Cythim;3431083 said:
I agree, it wouldn't be the first in-state rivalry that has to cross conference lines. Some noteable ones: Florida/Florida St, Virginia/VTech, Georgia/GTech, Colorado/Colorado St, Iowa/Iowa St.

You have a point, but Virginia and Virginia Tech are both in the ACC...
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3431310 said:
For Kansas University, it could be. Kansas doesn't just play Basketball. They have to be a part of a conference to support all their other sports for revenue sharing etc. As it stands now, ACC, Big 10, SEC and Pac 10 are probably out. Big East is going to probably meet the same kind of situation the Big 12 is going through. MWC is probably going to be one of the 5 or 6 major conferences left standing. That has to be good for Kansas considering their current position.
I don't know how many times I have to say it. My first post re: KU was strictly about basketball. You're arguing a point with me that I am not arguing. I try to turn it back to my point, and you continue to go back to the broad argument. I'm NOT even discussing that.

Besides moving to the ACC, which may get raided itself, what are their other options? Should they just say all Kansas is doing from here forward is play Basketball? Tough luck to all the rest of the sports? Go join the Big East? You tell me, what's the better option available to them right now?
I don't know what options are out there. I'm quite frankly exhausted about all this talk. I hate it, as I have already said.

But as of now, I haven't seen anything that confirms UT is leaving for the Pac-10. Since you asked, the better option for Kansas would be to remain in the Big 12 if Texas stays and they can replace Colorado and Nebraska.
 

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The local news is still all over this. A couple of hours ago they had Bill Self on and asked him a few questions. He suggested that the Big 12 might be looking into adding some schools of their own to become a bigger and better conference. That is something a lot of people around here have been saying.

I'd like to see schools (for example Memphis, Tulsa and Arkansas) be invited to the Big 12 also to follow up with peplaw's suggestion. That would make a great conference even better. They have an opportunity here to do something really good.
 

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big dog cowboy;3431696 said:
The local news is still all over this. A couple of hours ago they had Bill Self on and asked him a few questions. He suggested that the Big 12 might be looking into adding some schools of their own to become a bigger and better conference. That is something a lot of people around here have been saying.

I'd like to see schools (for example Memphis, Tulsa and Arkansas) be invited to the Big 12 also to follow up with peplaw's suggestion. That would make a great conference even better. They have an opportunity here to do something really good.
I can't imagine why Arkansas would leave their top of the hill SEC for anywhere....let alone a thinned down Big 12.

But I do agree that the Big 12 could go on without Colorado and Nebraska.
I can't say that Memphis or especially Tulsa would help all that much but I assume you feel they would help somehow with a future TV deal due to added market size. My guess is that OU and Ok St cover the Tulsa market more than just fine already. Memphis just seems to not fit, but that's jmo.
Who knows.
 

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DFWJC;3431704 said:
I can't imagine why Arkansas would leave their top of the hill SEC for anywhere....let alone a thinned down Big 12.

But I do agree that the Big 12 could go on without Colorado and Nebraska.
I can't say that Memphis or especially Tulsa would help all that much but I assume you feel they would help somehow with a future TV deal due to added market size. My guess is that OU and Ok St cover the Tulsa market more than just fine already. Memphis just seems to not fit, but that's jmo.
Who knows.
I think Colorado can be easily replaced. Nebraska would be a little tougher, but I think it could be done.

I keep saying this, but I don't see why TCU hasn't been approached. If I were Big XII commish and looking at losing a job, I would be burning up the road to Ft. Worth.

As for one more team... Arkansas is an interesting option. Yeah they probably don't want to leave the SEC... But I don't think Arkansas has great rivalries in the SEC. Coming to the Big XII would instantly revive those old SWC rivalries.

If not, Memphis was my next thought as well. They're basically no further away from the rest of the conference than Iowa State of Missouri.
 

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peplaw06;3431552 said:
I don't know how many times I have to say it. My first post re: KU was strictly about basketball. You're arguing a point with me that I am not arguing. I try to turn it back to my point, and you continue to go back to the broad argument. I'm NOT even discussing that.

I am not, and was never, interested in discussing Kansas and Just Basketball. This thread is not about basketball. However, if you wish to discuss an unrealistic point of view, thats fine with me. You responded to my post, not the other way around.

I don't know what options are out there. I'm quite frankly exhausted about all this talk. I hate it, as I have already said.

But as of now, I haven't seen anything that confirms UT is leaving for the Pac-10. Since you asked, the better option for Kansas would be to remain in the Big 12 if Texas stays and they can replace Colorado and Nebraska.

Would be a neat trick but not impossible. If the stories coming out on Beebe and his plans to try and renegotiate the Big 12 TV contracts, it could happen. A key factor in this is the fact that Beebe is willing to allow programs to do there own private TV deals. For Texas, this is a huge incentive. Could also be a powerful incentive to lure other programs to join the Big 12. This is a huge development, if true.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3432040 said:
I am not, and was never, interested in discussing Kansas and Just Basketball. This thread is not about basketball. However, if you wish to discuss an unrealistic point of view, thats fine with me. You responded to my post, not the other way around.
Nope. My first post in this thread was #32, had my first mention of KU basketball, and it was responding to xout.

You responded to my post re: basketball. And you eventually said that it would be good for MWC basketball and good for KU basketball. So if you weren't interested in discussing KU and basketball, then you probably shouldn't have responded to my post about KU basketball.


Would be a neat trick but not impossible. If the stories coming out on Beebe and his plans to try and renegotiate the Big 12 TV contracts, it could happen. A key factor in this is the fact that Beebe is willing to allow programs to do there own private TV deals. For Texas, this is a huge incentive. Could also be a powerful incentive to lure other programs to join the Big 12. This is a huge development, if true.
I can only hope.
 

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peplaw06;3431837 said:
I think Colorado can be easily replaced. Nebraska would be a little tougher, but I think it could be done.

I keep saying this, but I don't see why TCU hasn't been approached. If I were Big XII commish and looking at losing a job, I would be burning up the road to Ft. Worth.

As for one more team... Arkansas is an interesting option. Yeah they probably don't want to leave the SEC... But I don't think Arkansas has great rivalries in the SEC. Coming to the Big XII would instantly revive those old SWC rivalries.

If not, Memphis was my next thought as well. They're basically no further away from the rest of the conference than Iowa State of Missouri.

I can only imagine that TCU hasn't been seriously considered simply because it wouldn't expand the conference's market at all.
 

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peplaw06;3432059 said:
Nope. My first post in this thread was #32, had my first mention of KU basketball, and it was responding to xout.

You responded to my post re: basketball. And you eventually said that it would be good for MWC basketball and good for KU basketball. So if you weren't interested in discussing KU and basketball, then you probably shouldn't have responded to my post about KU basketball.



I can only hope.

I stand corrected. Never the less, having a conference to actually play basketball in would certainly be better or "Good" for Kansas Basketball, then having no conference affiliation at all. Kansas has already said that they will be playing in a BCS conference somewhere. Clearly, they too believe that it is better for them to be in a conference then not.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3432069 said:
I stand corrected. Never the less, having a conference to actually play basketball in would certainly be better or "Good" for Kansas Basketball, then having no conference affiliation at all. Kansas has already said that they will be playing in a BCS conference somewhere. Clearly, they too believe that it is better for them to be in a conference then not.
Great. Another strawman.

I'm also NOT arguing that it would be better for KU to have no conference at all than to go to the MWC.

This really isn't that difficult.

KU in the Big XII > KU in the MWC. Yes, I know, the Big XII is likely going away. That is not good for KU basketball for the conference to go away IMO. Now, might going to the MWC be the best possible move for them after the Big XII goes away (assuming they can't get into another one of the super-conferences)? Maybe. But that's a good move, only relative to the circumstances as they might be weeks/months down the road. I'm making an assessment now. KU is in a better spot RIGHT NOW than they will be in the MWC. So my point stands. It's not good for KU basketball for the Big XII to go away and to go to the MWC.
 

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masomenos;3432068 said:
I can only imagine that TCU hasn't been seriously considered simply because it wouldn't expand the conference's market at all.
DFW doesn't have a school in the Big XII. TCU has a pretty solid following for a school in the MWC. If they came to the Big XII, that would grow exponentially IMO.

big dog cowboy;3432164 said:
Maybe/maybe not. You are right, KU in the Big 12 would be the best for them.
I sure hope I'm wrong with that. Just read an article about the Big XII going forward with 10 schools. I'll try to post. I don't really like the idea, because there would be no conf. champ game in football.
 

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http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803

June 13, 2010

New proposal to save Big 12 with 10 teams being considered by UT

Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

It might be a long shot.

But three different sources at Big 12 South schools being targeted by the Pac-10 told Orangebloods.com Sunday morning commissioner Dan Beebe's assurances that a new TV deal can be reached on par with the SEC's $17 million/school for the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 is in play and being considered by Texas.

"My plan is about what's best for the citizens in this part of the country and for the student-athletes and not having this section of the country with all its major institutions connected to conferences that aren't even here. We shouldn't be a fly-over zone," Beebe told Orangebloods.com on Sunday before returning to what he called his "War Room" on no sleep from the previous night.

Having Texas consider anything other than the Pac-10 at this point is more than could be said on Friday. That's when Nebraska announced it was bolting for the Big Ten and Colorado had a press conference with its new commissioner - Larry Scott of the Pac-10.

Friday afternoon Texas announced it would have a regents meeting on Tuesday at 11 a.m. that sources said was to finalize a vote to accept an invitation to the Pac-10.

That vote was expected to begin an exodus west by at least four Big 12 South teams (Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State).

Texas A&M, which met with SEC commissioner Mike Slive in College Station on Saturday, according to sources, is meeting with Scott and Pac-10 chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg on Sunday.

Then, Scott and Weiberg were due in Lubbock and Austin Sunday as they continued to make their rounds of the Big 12 South to discuss a possible future with those schools.

Scott and Weiberg met with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State officials on Saturday.

THE BEEBE PLAN

Here's what Beebe has provided to the five Big 12 South schools who have been targeted by the Pac-10, including Texas A&M, who has been in deep conversation about joining the SEC, according to sources.

--Beebe has secured information that enough money could be inked in its next TV negotiation (in 2011) that revenues per school would jump from between $7 million and $10 million in the Big 12 currently to $17 million beginning in 2012, which is what the SEC pays out.

--The remaining Big 10 schools would divide up the more than $20 million in buyout penalties that will have to be paid by Colorado and Nebraska for leaving the league early.

--Individal institutions would be allowed to pursue their own networks, which has been a goal of Texas. If the Longhorns went to the Pac-10, they would have to forgo their own distribution platforms, including a network, because the Pac-16 would seek to have a conference network in which all inventory is shared.

(Consultants have put Texas' ability to generate revenue from its own network at between $3 million and $5 million after a start-up window of about three years.)

--The Big 12 would proceed with 10 teams. Everyone would play everyone in football, providing a nine-game conference schedule.

--The conference championship game would be dumped in the short-term (because the NCAA mandates 12 schools for a football title game).

--The loss of Nebraska and Colorado should have been a loss of about 16 percent to the league's revenue generating capacity. But because Colorado was an underperformer, the league lost only about 8.6 percent of its value with the loss of Nebraska, according to sources with knowledge of the Beebe Plan.

PROCEEDING WITH CAUTION

The Big 12 South sources said they are proceeding cautiously with the new information provided by Beebe.

One top executive in the Big 12 told Orangebloods.com Sunday "the plan is a longshot, but at least it's a shot."

AN END TO REALIGNMENT COULD BE ON THE LINE

If life could be breathed into the Beebe plan by the Big 12 South, life would re-enter the Big 12 North, where limbo has been the theme for more than a week at Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State as well as at Baylor in the Big 12 South.

It might also stop what appears to be an impending avalanche of college realignment across the country, depending on how conversations between Texas A&M and the SEC might be affected.

Sources say if the Pac-10 is ultimately denied by the Big 12 South schools, Scott would likely extend an invitation to Utah and wrap up the Pac-10's expansion at 12.

The information from Beebe might at least slow down the rocket-like pace of Big 12 schools seeking a new home and possibly draw all the divided parties back to the table.

Hearings are scheduled in the Texas House on Wednesday with invitations to all the Texas universities involved in this break-neck game of musical conferences to get some answers by elected officials.

BIG 12-LITE HAS A PULSE

So hold on folks. This is about to get interesting. The key in all of this is that Texas appears to be at least reconsidering its position on going to the Pac-10 and is considering the Beebe proposal.

Orangebloods.com was told Texas president Bill Powers, a Cal graduate, is not on board yet, but that he is listening.

Nothing is done. It is fluid. But the Beebe Plan to hold the Big 12-Lite together is at least in play.

As Orangebloods.com was told by a top source in the day's developments: "The winds to keep the Big 12 together with 10 teams are getting stronger."

The plot only figures to thicken as Scott and Weiberg finish their Big 12 South rounds on Sunday.

Texas had been resolute up to this point that if Nebraska left the conference, it would accept an invitation to join the Pac-10 and likely lead an exodus that appeared to include Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.

Texas A&M has been in deep discussions with the SEC and as of Saturday night had enough votes on its Board of Regents to join the SEC (believed to be 6-3).

But the dissenting votes on A&M's regents board are apparently passionate about keeping Texas and A&M together and not breaking up a 100-year rivalry by having the schools head to different leagues.

Sources say SEC commissioner Mike Slive was in College Station Saturday. Sources close to the situation say A&M has an invitation to the SEC if it wants it. The SEC has also been doggedly pursuing Oklahoma.

But thus far, OU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have indicated they would stay with Texas. Up to this point, that appeared to be an announcement to join the Pac-10, starting as early as Tuesday of this week.

But with news that Texas is now at least considering the Beebe Plan, there is at least a chance the Big 12, which is now at 10 schools (while the Big Ten, by the way, is now at 12 schools) just might survive after all.

Stay tuned.
Personally, I think A&M would lose what little relevance it has left by going to the SEC and being Vanderbilt West.
 

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and who cares what Texas does

I could give a D***

they are a bunch of W####### any way

But thus far, OU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have indicated they would stay with Texas. Up to this point, that appeared to be an announcement to join the Pac-10, starting as early as Tuesday of this week.

But with news that Texas is now at least considering the Beebe Plan, there is at least a chance the Big 12, which is now at 10 schools (while the Big Ten, by the way, is now at 12 schools) just might survive after all

yippie they win it every year yet AGAIN
 

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peplaw06;3432185 said:
DFW doesn't have a school in the Big XII. TCU has a pretty solid following for a school in the MWC. If they came to the Big XII, that would grow exponentially IMO.

DFW may not have a school, but there are significant legions of UT and OU fans in the metroplex. It seems like it would make more sense to pull in an out of state team and expand into new markets. Someone suggested that adding Arkansas and Memphis could make sense and I agree. Air Force, Utah and BYU would all make more sense too, in my opinion.
 

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UnoDallas;3432192 said:
and who cares what Texas does

I could give a D***

they are a bunch of W####### any way

But thus far, OU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have indicated they would stay with Texas. Up to this point, that appeared to be an announcement to join the Pac-10, starting as early as Tuesday of this week.

But with news that Texas is now at least considering the Beebe Plan, there is at least a chance the Big 12, which is now at 10 schools (while the Big Ten, by the way, is now at 12 schools) just might survive after all

yippie they win it every year yet AGAIN


you are terribly silly if you think Texas is afraid of TCU....Texas played the best team in the nation last season and was within 3 pts with just over 2 minutes to go in the game, with their backup freshman QB...

TCU lost and looked bad doing it.

Hey, I love me some TCU football. I root for them to win their conference and be a top team every year. However, they are not on the level Texas is. You can hate Texas all you want, but at least be a bit more rational...
 

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I would love to have TCU join the Big 12....Houston also. In fact, add Arkansas and Memphis too. That would make it the Big 14. Of course, I wouldn't mind replacing Iowa St. and Kansas St. with New Mexico and New Mexico St. Then when UTSA gets off probation add them along with UTEP.

North
Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Memphis, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, New Mexico St.

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Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTSA


Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, and Tennessee are all represented within the conference, including every D1 Texas University aside from SMU and North Texas. The conference will own Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, and the Permian Basin even moreso than it already does.

If it could somehow steal LSU away from the SEC, it would open up all the Louisiana recruits to the conference.
 
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