Could the Big12 and PAC10 Combine?

[DFWJC]

you are terribly silly if you think Texas is afraid of TCU...

He's just having fun with Longhorn fans. Seems to have worked.

 

[peplaw06]

DFW may not have a school, but there are significant legions of UT and OU fans in the metroplex. It seems like it would make more sense to pull in an out of state team and expand into new markets. Someone suggested that adding Arkansas and Memphis could make sense and I agree. Air Force, Utah and BYU would all make more sense too, in my opinion.

Of course there are UT and OU fans in the metroplex. Just like there are Tech and A&M fans... and TCU fans, and SMU fans, and North Texas fans, and UTA and UTD fans. I don't think adding Arkansas would be as big a deal "market-wise" as adding TCU. And I definitely don't feel like Colorado Springs and Utah would provide better ratings than TCU in the Big 12.

 

[peplaw06]

I would love to have TCU join the Big 12....Houston also. In fact, add Arkansas and Memphis too. That would make it the Big 14. Of course, I wouldn't mind replacing Iowa St. and Kansas St. with New Mexico and New Mexico St. Then when UTSA gets off probation add them along with UTEP.

North
Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Memphis, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, New Mexico St.

South
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTSA


Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, and Tennessee are all represented within the conference, including every D1 Texas University aside from SMU and North Texas. The conference will own Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, and the Permian Basin even moreso than it already does.

If it could somehow steal LSU away from the SEC, it would open up all the Louisiana recruits to the conference.

UTSA?? come on now.

 

[UnoDallas]

Arkansas has a sweet gig going in the SEC

you actually think they move from there to play

Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Memphis, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, New Mexico St.
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTSA

LMOA

Sorry it is Texas in a pickle

Texas can't stand getting beat by anyone - thats why they are in the
chicken sh** big 12
they will never leave it

not for the Pac10 or Sec

to many loses every year

 

[Biggems]

UTSA?? come on now.

I was adding them based on logistics and their potential to build a program rather quickly. you say come on now....but look how fast South Florida became a very good team.

UTSA will always get the UT leftovers, but based on logistics.....what great leftovers to have. Coker was the right coach to start off this program. As soon as probation is over, they will be a D1 school.

Florida, California, and Texas schools have the advantage of tons of excellent recruits to choose from. The smaller schools get some great leftovers, once the bigger schools take their share.

Plus, if UTSA is in this conference, it will only help their recruiting.

Most likely though, UTSA and even TAMUSA (when they grow enough and get a team) will be in something like Conference USA.

 

[Biggems]

Arkansas has a sweet gig going in the SEC

you actually think they move from there to play

Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Memphis, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, New Mexico St.
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTSA

LMOA

Sorry it is Texas in a pickle

Texas can't stand getting beat by anyone - thats why they are in the
chicken sh** big 12
they will never leave it

not for the Pac10 or Sec

to many loses every year

If they cant stand to get beat by anyone, why be in the same conference with OU? Your logic is quite flawed.

Believe me, if Arkansas had stayed in the SWC, then either Baylor or TT would not be in the Big 12.

I wish it would have been the Big 14 when it started

Nebraska
Colorado
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas St.
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.

Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Arkansas
TCU
Baylor
Houston

 

[Doomsday101]

Arkansas has a sweet gig going in the SEC

you actually think they move from there to play

Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Memphis, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, New Mexico St.
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTSA

LMOA

Sorry it is Texas in a pickle

Texas can't stand getting beat by anyone - thats why they are in the
chicken sh** big 12
they will never leave it

not for the Pac10 or Sec

to many loses every year

Texas has held their own vs PAC 10 teams

 

[Concord]

The minute that Oklahoma and Nebraska didn't play each other every year is the minute that I knew something was wrong with college football.

Thank God the Big Ten won't do that to Ohio St and Michigan.

 

[Doomsday101]

The minute that Oklahoma and Nebraska didn't play each other every year is the minute that I knew something was wrong with college football.

Thank God the Big Ten won't do that to Ohio St and Michigan.

You do not have as many teams in the Big 10 but I think that will change here soon and along with that a Big 10 championship game just as the Big 12,ACC and SEC have been doing

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Great. Another strawman.

I'm also NOT arguing that it would be better for KU to have no conference at all than to go to the MWC.

This really isn't that difficult.

KU in the Big XII > KU in the MWC. Yes, I know, the Big XII is likely going away. That is not good for KU basketball for the conference to go away IMO. Now, might going to the MWC be the best possible move for them after the Big XII goes away (assuming they can't get into another one of the super-conferences)? Maybe. But that's a good move, only relative to the circumstances as they might be weeks/months down the road. I'm making an assessment now. KU is in a better spot RIGHT NOW than they will be in the MWC. So my point stands. It's not good for KU basketball for the Big XII to go away and to go to the MWC.

How do you qualify this statement? I don't believe you can know, one way or the other, if they are better now then they will be in the future, regardless of conference. Having said all of this, obviously staying in the Big 12 is the best thing for all involved. If the conference can stay afloat, then this is the best option IMO. MWC would seem to be the best possible option. That, I would have thought, was made clear from the outset. If was not, I guess the fault lies with me for not making that point plain enough for ALL to understand.

 

[peplaw06]

Arkansas has a sweet gig going in the SEC

you actually think they move from there to play

Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Memphis, Arkansas, Missouri, New Mexico, New Mexico St.
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTSA

LMOA

Sorry it is Texas in a pickle

Texas can't stand getting beat by anyone - thats why they are in the
chicken sh** big 12
they will never leave it

not for the Pac10 or Sec

to many loses every year

You think Texas is scared of the Pac-10??

On what planet?

 

[Concord]

You do not have as many teams in the Big 10 but I think that will change here soon and along with that a Big 10 championship game just as the Big 12,ACC and SEC have been doing

Oh there will be a Big Ten Championship game which there should be...but from everything I've read they will make sure Ohio St and Michigan play each other every year no matter what they have to do.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh there will be a Big Ten Championship game which there should be...but from everything I've read they will make sure Ohio St and Michigan play each other every year no matter what they have to do.

I'm sure they will just as Texas and OU have continued to play each other. They may break the Big 10 or whatever it will be called into a North/South division within the conference keeping Mich and Ohio St. together. You don't want to lose those type of rivalries which I think mean allot more in college football than in the Pros.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5284375

Sources: Departure to Pac-10 coming

Updated: June 14, 2010, 11:23 AM ET

By Joe Schad
ESPN

The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-10 is imminent, four sources within the Big 12 said Monday.

One source said commissioner Dan Beebe's last-minute plan to save the conference has "zero" chance to succeed. Another source said it is "very unlikely" to succeed.

Texas' interests in being aligned with the research opportunities and academic missions of Pac-10 schools is driving the decision, along with money.

Beebe's last-ditch plan included an emotional plea about preserving rivalries and maintaining the best welfare of the student-athlete, one source said.

Texas A&M is now most likely to join the SEC, a source within the Big 12 said. This move, in the wake of Colorado and Nebraska's departure, would further diminish the chance of Beebe's plan succeeding, one source said.

Texas' decision is expected to come no later than Tuesday. One source familiar with Texas' plans suggested a hearing on Wednesday at the Texas House of Representatives is "a nonfactor."

Joe Schad covers college football for ESPN.

At this point, who the heck knows what's going on? I hope they try to salvage the Big 12 but A&M could be the one that breaks that deal. If TAMU is set on joining the SEC, then that leaves 9 teams and that probably won't work.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Chip Brown -- who most likely is a UT mouthpiece, so take with a grain of salt -- is saying that UT is coming around to Beebe's sales job of keeping the Big 12 together. Ten teams allows splitting the same revenue, and UT and possibly OU could pursue their own TV networks, which they couldn't in the Pac-16.

OKC radio is saying their sources are hearing the same things. This is as of Monday morning.

I don't see how the Pac-16 benefits them that much, anyway. The way it would be set up, it's basically the same league, only with AZ and AZ State subbing in for. The Pac-16 would have so little play between east and west, it's almost like two separate conferences anyway.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Chip Brown -- who most likely is a UT mouthpiece, so take with a grain of salt -- is saying that UT is coming around to Beebe's sales job of keeping the Big 12 together. Ten teams allows splitting the same revenue, and UT and possibly OU could pursue their own TV networks, which they couldn't in the Pac-16.

OKC radio is saying their sources are hearing the same things. This is as of Monday morning.

I don't see how the Pac-16 benefits them that much, anyway. The way it would be set up, it's basically the same league, only with AZ and AZ State subbing in for. The Pac-16 would have so little play between east and west, it's almost like two separate conferences anyway.

I agree Lab. The kicker here is TAMU. If they split for the SEC, it's probably all for not though. They can play with 10 but probably not 9. They would have to find a credible substitute quickly. I don't know if they can do that.

 

[Dallas]

Its going to be the Pac-16.


Academics and money is whats driving this whole thing. The SEC would actually make less sense since both Texas and Oklahoma are looking to improve its academic ratings and going to the SEC would actually decrease both schools current standings.

 

[DFWJC]

Its going to be the Pac-16.


Academics and money is whats driving this whole thing. The SEC would actually make less sense since both Texas and Oklahoma are looking to improve its academic ratings and going to the SEC would actually decrease both schools current standings.

Definitely Texas. They are usually top 6-7 nationally in state shcools.
According to the US News & World report rankings this year (which changes each year), they would be the tied for second with Florida in the SEC behind Vandy. They are usually well ahead of UF.
But UT would be only 6th in the Pac 10 behind, Stanford, UCLA, Berkely, USC, and Washington...but I think normally they are ahead of of UW.

Oklahoma would be nowhere in sight....way, way down that list.

Havng said that, I have no idea how this plays out.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Its going to be the Pac-16.


Academics and money is whats driving this whole thing. The SEC would actually make less sense since both Texas and Oklahoma are looking to improve its academic ratings and going to the SEC would actually decrease both schools current standings.

Um actually its been reported that Texas is leaning towards staying in the Big 10, Big 12.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, I would be on the phone with Utah and ND now. If ND says no, I'd think about BYU.