Cowboys 2nd and 3rd round picks over the last 10 years

[Kingofholland]

Not much from the 3rd rounders......

Definitely no one that makes you go that was a great selection, but they did find 8 that started a number of games who were solid players. 3 of them Lewis, Gallup, and Williams saw 2nd contracts with us so would say they were good contributors. Osa carries solid promise and hopefully he takes further steps forward in year three. I pulled some data on the 3rd round hit rate 2012 to 2021 drafts here's how it breaks down.

All-Pro: 2.7%
Making atleast 1 Pro Bowl: 11%
Making Multi Pro Bowls: 5.1%
Making just 1 Pro Bo2l: 6%

Those aren't great odds, but atleast our 3rd rounders aren't a who's who of busts.

 

[thunderpimp91]

So you did a league wide analysis on this and came to this conclusion or you just said it hoping we'd all buy it?

Plenty of free data out there with a quick google search. Draft pick success is mostly subjective but just going off resign data the cowboys are ahead of the curve.

Round 2 picks have typically a 20-25% rate of signing a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them. 3rd round picks drop to around 15%. About 1/3rd of 2nd/3rd round picks get 2nd contracts with other teams and the remaining players out of the league.

Of the players listed I believe only four didn’t play in the league last year, 3 of those coming from the 2013 draft.

 

[sunalsorises]

Jaylon Smith is probably my least favorite Cowboy of all time.

 

[thunderpimp91]

What?

What’s the confusing part? “Hit rate” is extremely subjective but by most measurable metrics (player resignings, player career longevity, pro bowls, etc.) the cowboys seem to be either on par or ahead of the curve compared to the rest of the league.

2nd round Picks start to become coin flips, and it only goes down from there.

 

[DandyDon52]

And y’all are afraid to trade these picks

26+ 3rd for Bijan

No brainer

but then they would miss out on drafting a guy like chaz green!!
The problem is jones boys are not very good at trading up, and the teams at the top may not want to give up their pick.
So cowboys would have to wait and see what happens and then make a move at some point to try and trade up enough to get bijan.
I think the eagles may take him as they are a running team and sort of need him.

I think you have to be crafty and on the ball to move up and get the guy you want, and I doubt cowboys are up to the task.
They will sit and wait, and if he is still there at 20 they might move up.

Or they might just wait for him to fall to 26, which is unlikely.

 

[DandyDon52]

Jaylon Smith is probably my least favorite Cowboy of all time.

yeah that was the dumbest of them all lol.
They thought he was going to be like what parsons is now.

Bottom line is a team has to know what they want and need, and be aggressive to make sure you get them.
KC didnt wait for mahomes to fall, they moved up and got him, as they KNEW they wanted him.

 

[gtb1943]

That is not how to build a championship team.

Especially the second rounders. A second rd player SHOULD be at the least a multi year starter and borderline pro bowl player

A third rounder a multi year starter considered solid

AND of course a starter on what kind of team? A SB contender? Or just one that makes it to the playoffs fairly consistently and DOES NOTHING ONCE THEY GET THERE.
IF the latter, then being a multi year starter is not all that

 

[fivetwos]

I’m pretty sure it’s always Jerry’s Fun Friday come draft weekend.

That all he is allowed to do anymore.

Round one and 4-7 aren’t bad.

 

[817Gill]

Just saying they're starters doesn't mean much. They have to be good. Lots of teams have really krappy starters....which shouldn't be used as proof that they're good drafters.

Well the team has been top 10 in wins in that timespan. Playoff success or not that has to count for something in regards to how they’ve performed as starters.

Can’t have a bunch of crappy starters and win.

 

[817Gill]

Just because they start a JAG doenst mean it was a good pick. Just means they were so bad at the position its all they had. Gallup is the ONLY guy that we could say was a good pick.

Not necessarily. Many of these guys were league average starters, Gallup may be the only one who’s shown the potential for more but the rest of those guys were all at least average.

A league average starter in the 3rd isn’t a bad thing. It’s not top of the line but it’s not whiff-city either. My point in the post is that the team has done a solid job in the the third but nothing spectacular.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not necessarily. Many of these guys were league average starters, Gallup may be the only one who’s shown the potential for more but the rest of those guys were all at least average.

A league average starter in the 3rd isn’t a bad thing. It’s not top of the line but it’s not whiff-city either. My point in the post is that the team has done a solid job in the the third but nothing spectacular.

I dont think they have done well. No studs at all. rotation guys. Gallup the top guy and thats not even impressive.

 

[thunderpimp91]

That is not how to build a championship team.

Especially the second rounders. A second rd player SHOULD be at the least a multi year starter and borderline pro bowl player

A third rounder a multi year starter considered solid

AND of course a starter on what kind of team? A SB contender? Or just one that makes it to the playoffs fairly consistently and DOES NOTHING ONCE THEY GET THERE.
IF the latter, then being a multi year starter is not all that

Great in theory but it’s an unrealistic expectation. Typically if you come away with 2 starters from a draft you’re doing a good job. No team is consistently hitting on all three of their first picks. Only about 1/4th of 2nd round picks are getting 2nd contracts with the team that drafted them.

Outside of the first round the nfl draft is a huge gamble…..really even the first round is.

 

[817Gill]

Definitely no one that makes you go that was a great selection, but they did find 8 that started a number of games who were solid players. 3 of them Lewis, Gallup, and Williams saw 2nd contracts with us so would say they were good contributors. Osa carries solid promise and hopefully he takes further steps forward in year three. I pulled some data on the 3rd round hit rate 2012 to 2021 drafts here's how it breaks down.

All-Pro: 2.7%
Making atleast 1 Pro Bowl: 11%
Making Multi Pro Bowls: 5.1%
Making just 1 Pro Bo2l: 6%

Those aren't great odds, but atleast our 3rd rounders aren't a who's who of busts.

This is my feeling as well

 

[817Gill]

I dont think they have done well. No studs at all. rotation guys. Gallup the top guy and thats not even impressive.

Not really a round where you’re gonna get a bunch of pro bowlers man.

Terrence Williams was not a rotational guy he started for multiple years. Jourdan Lewis has been a starter the majority of his career. Maliek Collins was a starter his whole career here. Osa is a starter.

We seem to draft solid to average guys in the third with no stars but no huge busts either. Compared to the rest of the league I’d guess that’s somewhere slightly above average but I’m not going to do the research lol.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not really a round where you’re gonna get a bunch of pro bowlers man.

Terrence Williams was not a rotational guy he started for multiple years. Jourdan Lewis has been a starter the majority of his career. Maliek Collins was a starter his whole career here. Osa is a starter.

We seem to draft solid to average guys in the third with no stars but no huge busts either. Compared to the rest of the league I’d guess that’s somewhere slightly above average but I’m not going to do the research lol.

who said anything about a bunch. One would be nice. What have they done in the 3rd? Its blah.

You would guess? I would be will to bet some have pro bowlers from the 3rd.

 

[Rockport]

OMG Will McClay!!

One of the best in the business even though you’re incapable of understanding it.

 

[thunderpimp91]

who said anything about a bunch. One would be nice. What have they done in the 3rd? Its blah.

You would guess? I would be will to bet many have pro bowlers from the 3rd.

On average you’ll get about 3 players per year who get selected in the 3rd round who ever make a pro bowl.

Reality is for the most part if you’re getting Gallup’s or even the OSA, McGovern or Jordan Lewis type players consistently in the 3rd round you’re doing a pretty good job. We over glamorize the middle rounds of the draft but it becomes a total crap shoot.

 

[Risen Star]

One of the best in the business even though you’re incapable of understanding it.

I agree. You know you're elite when you want Taco Charlton over T.J. Watt.

Or think Trysten Hill is worth a 2nd round pick.

 

[Risen Star]

Plenty of free data out there with a quick google search. Draft pick success is mostly subjective but just going off resign data the cowboys are ahead of the curve.

Round 2 picks have typically a 20-25% rate of signing a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them. 3rd round picks drop to around 15%. About 1/3rd of 2nd/3rd round picks get 2nd contracts with other teams and the remaining players out of the league.

Of the players listed I believe only four didn’t play in the league last year, 3 of those coming from the 2013 draft.

So in other words, no you didn't do the research. You just said it.

Noted.

If you respond please add more meaningless percentages and fractions.

 

[thunderpimp91]

So in other words, no you didn't do the research. You just said it.

Noted.

If you respond please add more meaningless percentages and fractions.

My bad I didn’t realize that statistical data didn’t count as research in your eyes.