Cowboys and Browns

[texbumthelife]

Culture of Winning ? --- Its a culture of Delusion, entertainment, drama, and being avergae, all the while, collecting huge profits for the franchise....

It's a culture that expects to win but often doesn't go about making it happen. Spew all the irrational hate you want, but Jerry wants to win just as much, if not worse than you.

 

[KJJ]

Wrong but I don't want to hijack the thread.

Good excuse to avoid having to prove it. lol Easy to say someone is wrong but it's another thing to prove it. Murray was arguably the teams MVP last season it was the running game led by him that kept Romo's passing attempts down as well as his mistakes. The running game is what carried the offense with the Cowboys leading the time of possession battle in a number of games which kept our defense off the field.

Murray could have been resigned but the team doesn't value RB's like they use to and decided to bank on their OL to make a group of bargain backs productive and it didn't work. It resulted in putting more pressure on the QB position contributing to Romo's injuries and a very disappointing season that leaves the teams future in doubt.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

You've been waiting no longer than the rest of us older folks that already have a good comfortable chair. Preaching to the choir.

These 4 NFC teams havent made the super bowl, since Dallas made it in 1996. 20 YEARS. ALL of the rest of the teams in the NFC have made the SUPER BOWL.

Cowboys
Lions
Vikings
Commanders

1996 wouldve been the 1995 season, so I went with 1995. I am betting a good percentage of people posting here were under the age of 10 or not even born yet...............Here are the top 50 songs at that time. Left eye man....LEFT EYE!!! I think she passed away in an accident??

1. Gangsta's Paradise, Coolio
2. Waterfalls, TLC
3. Creep, TLC
4. Kiss from a Rose, Seal
5. On Bended Knee, Boyz II Men
6. Another Night, Real McCoy
7. Fantasy, Mariah Carey
8. Take a Bow, Madonna
9. Don't Take It Personal (Just One of Dem Days), Monica
10. This Is How We Do It, Montell Jordan
11. I Know, Dionne Farris
12. Water Runs Dry, Boyz II Men
13. Freak Like Me, Adina Howard
14. Run-Around, Blues Traveler
15. I Can Love You Like That, All-4-One
16. Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman?, Bryan Adams
17. Always, Bon Jovi
18. Boombastic / In the Summertime, Shaggy
19. Total Eclipse of the Heart, Nicki French
20. You Gotta Be, Des'ree
21. You Are Not Alone, Michael Jackson
22. Hold My Hand, Hootie and The Blowfish
23. One More Chance / Stay With Me, The Notorious B.I.G.
24. Here Comes the Hotstepper, Ini Kamoze
25. Candy Rain, Soul For Real
26. Let Her Cry, Hootie and The Blowfish
27. I Believe, Blessid Union Of Souls
28. Red Light Special, TLC
29. Runaway, Janet Jackson
30. Strong Enough, Sheryl Crow
31. Colors of the Wind, Vanessa Williams
32. Someone to Love, Jon B.
33. Only Wanna Be With You, Hootie and The Blowfish
34. If You Love Me, Brownstone
35. In The House of Stone and Light, Martin Page
36. I Got 5 on It, Luniz
37. Baby, Brandy
38. Run Away, Real McCoy
39. As I Lay Me Down, Sophie B. Hawkins
40. He's Mine, Mokenstef
41. December, Collective Soul
42. I'll Be There for You / You're All I Need to Get By, Mary J. Blige and Method Man
43. Shy Guy, Diana King
44. I'm the Only One, Melissa Etheridge
45. Every Little Thing I Do, Soul For Real
46. Before I Let You Go, BLACKstreet
47. Big Poppa / Warning, The Notorious B.I.G.
48. Sukiyaki, 4 P.M.
49. I Wanna Be Down, Brandy
50. I'll Make Love to You, Boyz II Men

Top movies in 1995. -- Toy Story. The orrginial!! Wooddy, Buzz Light year!!!
1Toy StoryBV$191,796,2332,574$29,140,6172,45711/22
2Batman ForeverWB$184,031,1122,893$52,784,4332,8426/16
3Apollo 13Uni.$172,071,3122,347$25,353,3802,1976/30
4PocahontasBV$141,579,7732,757$2,689,71466/16
5Ace Ventura: When Nature CallsWB$108,385,5332,705$37,804,0762,65211/10
6GoldenEyeMGM$106,429,9412,667$26,205,0072,66711/17
7JumanjiSony$100,475,2492,530$11,084,3702,48712/15
8CasperUni.$100,328,1942,757$16,840,3852,7145/26
9SevenNL$100,125,6432,528$13,949,8072,4419/22
10Die Hard: With A VengeanceFox$100,012,4992,579$22,162,2452,5255/19
11Crimson TideBV$91,387,1952,514$18,612,1902,3825/12
12WaterworldUni.$88,246,2202,420$21,171,7802,2687/28
13Dangerous MindsBV$84,919,4011,783$14,931,5031,3488/11
14Mr. Holland's OpusBV$82,569,9711,659$14,466112/29
15While You Were SleepingBV$81,057,0162,086$9,288,9151,4214/21
16CongoPar.$81,022,1012,676$24,642,5392,6496/9
17Father of the Bride Part IIBV$76,594,1072,148$11,134,9781,94912/8
18BraveheartPar.$75,609,9452,037$9,938,2762,0355/24
19Get ShortyMGM$72,101,6222,103$12,700,0071,61210/20
20Grumpier Old MenWB$71,518,5032,037$7,797,1851,99512/22
21The Bridges of Madison CountyWB$71,516,6171,986$10,519,2571,8056/2
22Mortal KombatNL$70,454,0982,630$23,283,8872,4218/18
23Nine MonthsFox$69,684,5321,795$12,522,2401,4587/14
24OutbreakWB$67,659,5602,230$13,420,3872,2153/10
25HeatWB$67,436,8181,704$8,445,6561,32512/15



Think about what has occured since 1996. Thats how long ive been waiting. Ill just go ahead and not wait anymore. It is what it is.

 

[texbumthelife]

Good Excuse. lol Easy to say someone is wrong but it's another thing to prove they're wrong. Murray was arguably the teams MVP last season it was the running game led by him that kept Romo's passing attempts down as well as his mistakes. The running game is what carried the offense with the Cowboys leading the time of possession battle in a number of games which kept our defense off the field.

Murray could have been resigned but the team doesn't value RB's like they use to and decided to bank on their OL to make a group of bargain backs productive and it didn't work. It resulted in putting more pressure on the QB position contributing to Romo's injuries and a very disappointing season that leaves the teams future in doubt.

You choose to ignore the fact that the Cowboys did offer Murray a contract. The Eagles simply offered him ridiculous money. Money they already regret.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

It's a culture that expects to win but often doesn't go about making it happen. Spew all the irrational hate you want, but Jerry wants to win just as much, if not worse than you.

And you dont think Browns ownership wants to win as much as Jerry?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

You choose to ignore the fact that the Cowboys did offer Murray a contract. The Eagles simply offered him ridiculous money. Money they already regret.

I dunno, they just might win the division. Just beat the Patriots and Bills back to back, and the Cowboys are 4-9......................? Maybe they dont regret it as much as we think....

 

[KJJ]

You choose to ignore the fact that the Cowboys did offer Murray a contract. The Eagles simply offered him ridiculous money. Money they already regret.

They could have offered him more but chose to pay Dez and they may end up regretting that. The Eagles regret paying Murray because he doesn't fit their scheme.

 

[texbumthelife]

And you dont think Browns ownership wants to win as much as Jerry?

Jerry has never once balked at ponying up for a free agent. Outside of Murray, this team has gotten and/or retained just about everyone they've wanted--even when over spending. The Browns on the other hand have been historically cheap. Up until recently, they refused to pay to retain their own veterans and very seldom went after premier free agents. Things may be turning around there, but the culture will take quite some time to catch up.

 

[texbumthelife]

They could have offered him but chose to pay Dez and they may end up regretting that. The Eagles regret it because he doesn't fit their scheme.

They could have had Dez and Murray without blinking an eye. This team is not in any perceived salary cap hell. Murray got a ridiculous contract. They made the right decision.

 

[texbumthelife]

I dunno, they just might win the division. Just beat the Patriots and Bills back to back, and the Cowboys are 4-9......................? Maybe they dont regret it as much as we think....

You're right. How could they regret it when Sproles has been the best back on their roster and was the feature back last week.

 

[KJJ]

They could have had Dez and Murray without blinking an eye. This team is not in any perceived salary cap hell. Murray got a ridiculous contract. They made the right decision.

At 4-9 in the basement of the NFC Least that doesn't point to the team making the right decision. The monumental fall the team has taken from last year to this year leaves the Cowboys future in serious doubt especially with an aging, injury prone Romo.

 

[KJJ]

Just imagine had the 90's Cowboys decided to let Emmitt walk during the 93 season and bank on their OL. They were 0-2 without him.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Jerry has never once balked at ponying up for a free agent. Outside of Murray, this team has gotten and/or retained just about everyone they've wanted--even when over spending. The Browns on the other hand have been historically cheap. Up until recently, they refused to pay to retain their own veterans and very seldom went after premier free agents. Things may be turning around there, but the culture will take quite some time to catch up.

They dont have the pockets that Jerry has, and has made largely off the Dallas Cowboys, City of Dallas, and state of Texas.

But hey, we can , at least, pick on the browns.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Judging by the comments I've seen the last few weeks it seems like we have become Browns fans. Except just a year ago everything was looking right. Everyone was high on the Cowboys and talking Super Bowl. Now we go to this season. We got injuries, and suspensions and our whole season has turned into turmoil. I'm bummed. I really thought this was our year. Instead I'm disappointed again. The way this forum looks though reminds me of that film "Major League", except those were Indians fans, not Browns, but their fans seem to have the same sentiment. I'm not going to link "Sad Browns Fans", but our fans look in the same boat right now.

Cowboys are out. I'm hoping a KC Chiefs vs. AZ Cardinals Superbowl.

/They should bid on getting a clapper on the sideline.
//Will go sleep off my tears now

That is because this is the first year we've been out of it this early in quite some time. I started looking at draftbreakdown in November. Most years that isn't til January or later. This team is going nowhere without Romo and the braintrust set it up as such.

Jerry Jones reminds me of Bob Bass. Jones never gets fired but Bass never failed to get jobs. He would win the hot stove and turn franchises around financially by making the starting veneer look competitive but then have no depth on the bench leaving it completely to luck whether or not they could field a competitive team.

It baffles me too. Jerry Jones championed the cap not once but twice with revenue sharing to make it work. Seems ironic that he acts like there is no cap and he can use money to fill other holes with talent that is good enough.

We're going to trade up for a QB or something stupid. Never know though Jones will surprise you. Been a dozen years but you never know.

 

[texbumthelife]

At 4-9 in the basement of the NFC Least that doesn't point to the team making the right decision. The monumental fall the team has taken from last year to this year leaves the Cowboys future in serious doubt especially with an aging, injury prone Romo.

So their fall has been due to not resigning Murray? Nothing to do with losing their franchise QB, the man who should have won MVP last season, having their best WR hobbled and/or out most of the season, coaching blunders and horrible execution?

I genuinely hope some of you learn to temper your emotional responses as time goes on This team didn't make some monumental tumble. Last year was an aberation. This is essentially the same team as those 8-8 seasons. Not having your QB for essentially the entire season is worth four losses, if you ask me.

This team certainly has glaring issues. But I think people are exaggerating how good this team was last season and expounding on that by overreacting to this season.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

You're right. How could they regret it when Sproles has been the best back on their roster and was the feature back last week.

Yeah, but they dont have to deal with a Dallas Cowboys team late in december winning the east, do they?

That is a stretch . I know that. But really, whatever the stats and money. Th eagles are a better team then we are.

and yeah, Murray got overpaid. But if its one guy, one contract that i could live with being overpaid, it would be the leagues leading rusher, who propelled the team to 12-4, and gave it an identity., Yes, over pay for that please!!!

We made the wrong call. Just like we made the wrong call with MBIII, Miles, Carr, maybe Crawford.......And now look where we are at. 4-9, and looking for a .................................................RUNNING BACK.

 

[texbumthelife]

They dont have the pockets that Jerry has, and has made largely off the Dallas Cowboys, City of Dallas, and state of Texas.

But hey, we can , at least, pick on the browns.

What? Why does is matter how Jerry makes his money? All that matters is he is willing to spend it, even throw it away at times to try and field a winner. If you're honestly going to argue with me Jerry's spending practices as an owner against the Browns, you clearly haven't been around long enough or don't have any idea what you're talking about.

No one is picking on the Browns. I certainly am not. I am stating facts backed up by historical evidence. If anything, it is the Cowboys who are being picked on, as is so ever-present on this forum lately.

 

[LucaBrasi]

These 4 NFC teams havent made the super bowl, since Dallas made it in 1996. 20 YEARS. ALL of the rest of the teams in the NFC have made the SUPER BOWL.

Cowboys
Lions
Vikings
Commanders

Sobering, right there. Same 4 will still be without a SB appearance as we start 2016 season, although Zim has done a nice job with the Vikes. It is what it is, Jerry isn't changing. He still thinks he'll find a way, his way, back there. As a fan, I've lost any confidence in it happening other than the blind squirrel finding the acorn.

 

[texbumthelife]

Yeah, but they dont have to deal with a Dallas Cowboys team late in december winning the east, do they?

That is a stretch . I know that. But really, whatever the stats and money. Th eagles are a better team then we are.

and yeah, Murray got overpaid. But if its one guy, one contract that i could live with being overpaid, it would be the leagues leading rusher, who propelled the team to 12-4, and gave it an identity., Yes, over pay for that please!!!

We made the wrong call. Just like we made the wrong call with MBIII, Miles, Carr, maybe Crawford.......And now look where we are at. 4-9, and looking for a .................................................RUNNING BACK.

The Eagles are a better team regardless of Murray. That's the argument.

Furthermore, if Murray's play this season says anything, it's that we likely would have been looking for another running back anyway.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

What? Why does is matter how Jerry makes his money? All that matters is he is willing to spend it, even throw it away at times to try and field a winner. If you're honestly going to argue with me Jerry's spending practices as an owner against the Browns, you clearly haven't been around long enough or don't have any idea what you're talking about.

No one is picking on the Browns. I certainly am not. I am stating facts backed up by historical evidence. If anything, it is the Cowboys who are being picked on, as is so ever-present on this forum lately.

You implied the browns are cheap and dont care about winning......

I assure you they want to win as much as Jerry does....Jerry doesnt hold a trophy saying "wants to win more thern anybody". Everybody else wants to win.....to imply anything else, is silly, and childish.

You wipe away 20 years of failure with , "well, he wants to win more then anybody". No he doesnt!!!

Maybe we should just start giving participation trophies and giving points for "moral" victories.