Cowboys cap space 32M with restructures

[Kaiser]

I'd like to see it shaking out with something like these cap numbers below. The cap hit is lower for the first year because the contracts are the typical backloaded contracts with a signing bonus spread over time that include voidable years:


Dez 8MM
Murray 6MM
Parnell 2MM
Greg Hardy 7MM
Durant 1MM
McClain 2MM
Nickel FS 2MM

Smith restructures and Carr's restucture down pays for the draft class. There is no need to restructure Romo's deal in this scenario.

 

[Bluefin]

I can understand what your saying. His fumble cost us, but he did rip of a nice run and the scored on the very next drive.

I've got a co-worker that loves DeMarco Murray and is frantic about re-signing him.

I am still peeved with his fumbles and lack of touchdowns.

In particular, the fumbles at home against Washington and at Green Bay.

Those were game changers.

And despite setting franchise records for carries and yards, Murray didn't even average a rushing TD per game, which is decidedly mediocre production behind that line.

He's a big part of what we do, but the price needs to be right to continue forward.

I think our defense let us down tht game more than any one did. That and the refs.

It's a team loss.

The defense had chances to make stops in the fourth quarter and didn't.

The offense didn't do enough, either, nor the special teams.

It never should have come down to the officials having the opportunity to overturn what was clearly a catch by Dez Bryant.

 

[Bluefin]

There is no need to restructure Romo's deal in this scenario.

There's no reason not to.

The contract was designed to be restructured last year and this year and then be left alone.

This could be up to a maximum of $12.824M in cap room.

I hope a long term deal is reached with Dez Bryant, but I can't count on it and have to plan on carrying his franchise tag cap number.

I want as much room as possible with Romo and Tyron Smith's restructures, we can always carryover any amount that doesn't get used.

 

[Kaiser]

There's no reason not to.

If you can get all the guys I listed (yeah, its a longshot) I'd rather pay down the potential cap hit we would see if Romo were to have a fluke injury that ended his career. The only time this team really was in the "cap hell" posters talk about constantly was when Aikman got hurt and forced his way off the roster. That was the only time the Cowboys actually had a lost season because of the cap.

 

[burmafrd]

No to restructure Romo. At least this year anyway. And the SMART thing to do is lay the groundwork by carrying over cap space so that we can extend Fred and Zack and other young guys that we need to keep. If we can maintain a top OL that will give us consistency there that we have not had since the 90's. And will allow us to extend any young guys on D that show they deserve it.

 

[Bluefin]

If you can get all the guys I listed (yeah, its a longshot) I'd rather pay down the potential cap hit we would see if Romo were to have a fluke injury that ended his career. The only time this team really was in the "cap hell" posters talk about constantly was when Aikman got hurt and forced his way off the roster. That was the only time the Cowboys actually had a lost season because of the cap.

Understandable.

I'm willing to gamble that Tony Romo will play beyond 2015.

I want to restructure at least the guaranteed portion of Romo's base salary, $15M.

That's $12M in cap space to keep more of our own and add a free agent or two or three.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I've got a co-worker that loves DeMarco Murray and is frantic about re-signing him.

I am still peeved with his fumbles and lack of touchdowns.

In particular, the fumbles at home against Washington and at Green Bay.

Those were game changers.

And despite setting franchise records for carries and yards, Murray didn't even average a rushing TD per game, which is decidedly mediocre production behind that line.

He's a big part of what we do, but the price needs to be right to continue forward.



It's a team loss.

The defense had chances to make stops in the fourth quarter and didn't.

The offense didn't do enough, either, nor the special teams.

It never should have come down to the officials having the opportunity to overturn what was clearly a catch by Dez Bryant.

Yes, we made mistakes in that game. And the other team made some plays on us.

There is another team out there.

But, this team had developed in a certain way during the season. Remember, everybody, and I do mean everybody had us losing more then 8 games......

they werent suppose to be good. So, the bumbled their way through some games. But the personality I was noticing was, despite are mistakes, and lack of big name talent. The team would pull through when it was "needed". The Rams game. The win over Philly after getting blown out by that same team two weeks ago. Stepping up in the end of the Bears game, when they blew a big lead. Lots of 4th down, 3rd down plays when they absolutely needed it. The Giants game up in NY .......

No, this team was never going to dominate games. But they had developed some sort of backbone, and the team sort of came together and rallied when it was needed.

And it was needed on 4th and 2 in GB late in the 4th. And they went for it. The coaches, Romo, Dez, the whole team to include BLOCKING from Murray. And they made the play was needed.

Pittsburgh Gene and the officials blew the call big time. I mean, it goes down as one of the worst calls in modern NFL history......and it hurt the game imho.

You cant blame that game on any one play or person. Even the bad call. But I will say this. It was a catch. It was a catch. It was a catch. Wwe score a TD there.....and i think we win I really do. I know Rodgers was starting to go off......But i think the it wouldve changed momentum in a way that the Defense would've stepped up and made a play.....

Yeah, Murray fumbled. Peppers made a great play. We missed some field goals. etc etc.....The best RBs ever to pay the game have fumbled too.....

 

[TimHortons]

You may be right. But this team is young. We have a young, powerful , offensive line. Some guys on defense who might pan out to be really good players. Dez and twill, young.

I have read this is the second youngest team in the NFL or playoffs....cant remember. But , this team looks to be good for years to come even wthout Romo. I dont understand why we dont draft a QB in the 3-5th rounds with some potential, and develop are reaplacemrnt for Romo. Like the Packers did with Rodgers and Farve....

Thats what I would do.

Rodgers was a 1st round pick. Big difference between that and a 3-5 rounder like you said

 

[xwalker]

If the Cowboys restructure Tony Romo's contract they are going ALL IN putting the future at risk.... playing for today instead of building a team that can compete for years to come.... Don't want to see anymore 8-8 or worse Cowboys...

Not really. When Romo is gone, his base salary will also be gone. Any dead money will be offset by not having his huge base salary that first year he is gone. He will likely be replaced by a low cost draft pick. Any dead money from Romo will be long gone before the young QB is ready for a big contract.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I've grown to despise the whole "all in" mindset.

The Cowboy teams from the late 60's until the late 80's never operated on that principle... "Roger's getting older– we better go 'all in". Nonsense.

Nonsense it was in the late 60's until 1994 when it was no longer nonsense. The salary cap was a reality and no way in the world would teams EVER have the depth and talent as those Cowboys and Steeler teams of the 70's and 49ers of the 80's. Danny White would've been long gone while Roger was still the starter in today's NFL model.

Look at our offensive line in the early 90's.

Ron Stone was a back up guard and tackle for us and could never beat out the starters, yet the Giants signed him away to more money than any of our starters except Erik Williams. That kind of depth is long gone.

Thus - the "all in" mentality. The NFL is about windows of opportunity and that opportunity affords itself in a quarterback.

It's safe to say the Browns are not in a window. It's safe to say we are.

You go all in.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Rodgers was a 1st round pick. Big difference between that and a 3-5 rounder like you said

True. And maybe thats what they will do? Next year or a few years from now? Go ahead and draft a number 1. But there are some QBs drafted in those rounds that go on the be great. Some dont even get drafted and then get picked up and get some years to prove themselves......

Ii think it would be a good idea, to draft a QB and let them develop over a few years instead of expecting a rookie to come in and win........whether they draft a 1 or a 6 or see a guy with potential.

I suppose thats what they are doing with Vaughn......?? I hope so....

just have someone ready. Romo is not in his twenties anymore.

 

[Kaiser]

Not really. When Romo is gone, his base salary will also be gone. Any dead money will be offset by not having his huge base salary that first year he is gone. He will likely be replaced by a low cost draft pick. Any dead money from Romo will be long gone before the young QB is ready for a big contract.

Let me know if my math is right, I'm going off the Sportrac numbers:

#1) Restructure Romo this year, convert 17MM to salary:

Cap hit in 2015 - $14,173,000
Dead money if cut after 2015 - $51,008,000 (29.3 Million if cut after 2016)

#2) Leave 17MM as salary, no restructure

Cap hit in 2015 - $27,773,000
Dead money if cut after 2015 - $37,408,000 (19 Million if cut after 2016 with no restructuring beforehand)

 

[CrownCowboy]

Win now. Cause when Romo's gone we will have a few years of carters.

Few years?

With our luck, it'll be a decade of Carters...

 

[Nightman]

Let me know if my math is right, I'm going off the Sportrac numbers:

#1) Restructure Romo this year, convert 17MM to salary:

Cap hit in 2015 - $14,173,000
Dead money if cut after 2015 - $51,008,000 (29.3 Million if cut after 2016)

#2) Leave 17MM as salary, no restructure

Cap hit in 2015 - $27,773,000
Dead money if cut after 2015 - $37,408,000 (19 Million if cut after 2016 with no restructuring beforehand)

Your dead money is off
After 2016 without restructure this year- 10m............after 2015- 19.1m
After 2016 with restructure this year- 17.8m..............after 2015- 29.5m

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Not true. Speculation is that they would rather not, but they haven't ruled out the option.

“Obviously you don’t like to mortgage your future if you can help it,” Jones said last week at the Senior Bowl, as documented by Todd Archer of ESPNDallas.com. “We started making the move toward being a younger team and going a different direction in terms of pushing money out, so we’d prefer not to do that, but at the same time every situation has ramifications and you have to make tough decisions sometimes. I don’t think there’s an exact science, ‘Hey, we’re going to do it or not do it.’”

You're right, but it doesn't sound like they want to

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Nonsense it was in the late 60's until 1994 when it was no longer nonsense. The salary cap was a reality and no way in the world would teams EVER have the depth and talent as those Cowboys and Steeler teams of the 70's and 49ers of the 80's. Danny White would've been long gone while Roger was still the starter in today's NFL model.

Look at our offensive line in the early 90's.

Ron Stone was a back up guard and tackle for us and could never beat out the starters, yet the Giants signed him away to more money than any of our starters except Erik Williams. That kind of depth is long gone.

Thus - the "all in" mentality. The NFL is about windows of opportunity and that opportunity affords itself in a quarterback.

It's safe to say the Browns are not in a window. It's safe to say we are.

You go all in.

There's been a team in New England that hasn't had to go "all-in" to be competitive year after year. To a lesser extent Pittsburgh and Baltimore have done the same thing.

You know how to keep a team competitive year after year?

Draft better than the other guys, don't make stupid trades and jettison players a year early rather than a year late.

Face it, the Cowboys history with "all-in" isn't too sterling.

Then you have others like the Commanders and Eagles who've gone down that path too and failed miserably.

Regardless, we'll all soon know which path this year's version of the Cowboys is taking.

 

[CF74]

Just say no to Romo restructuring. It will just cause more mess down the road.

What's the solution then, pay cut?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Win now. Cause when Romo's gone we will have a few years of carters.

this...lets just push all the chips in for the next 2-3 years and get it done.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

There's been a team in New England that hasn't had to go "all-in" to be competitive year after year. To a lesser extent Pittsburgh and Baltimore have done the same thing.

You know how to keep a team competitive year after year?

Draft better than the other guys, don't make stupid trades and jettison players a year early rather than a year late.

Face it, the Cowboys history with "all-in" isn't too sterling.

Then you have others like the Commanders and Eagles who've gone down that path too and failed miserably.

Regardless, we'll all soon know which path this year's version of the Cowboys is taking.

We dont play in the crappy AFC with the dolphins and bills and such...and we dont have time to wait for players to hopefully develop at this point and wait years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

We dont play in the crappy AFC with the dolphins and bills and such...and we dont have time to wait for players to hopefully develop at this point and wait years.

I think you're going to end up disappointed.