Cowboys cap space 32M with restructures

[Hostile]

With Dez franchised
Romo, Tyron and Carr restructured.

It would be more if Carr takes a pay cut.

They can generate more space with some other restructures.

I have gotten the cap room as high as $45 million with restructures and cap saving cuts.

 

[Frosty]

There's been a team in New England that hasn't had to go "all-in" to be competitive year after year. To a lesser extent Pittsburgh and Baltimore have done the same thing.

You know how to keep a team competitive year after year?

Draft better than the other guys, don't make stupid trades and jettison players a year early rather than a year late.

Face it, the Cowboys history with "all-in" isn't too sterling.

Then you have others like the Commanders and Eagles who've gone down that path too and failed miserably.

Regardless, we'll all soon know which path this year's version of the Cowboys is taking.

Exactly, look at what John Elway and the Broncos did last year,, he went ALL IN with big money FA and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and now forced to make major changes to the entire team and starting over....

 

[NickZepp]

I really want them to draft a QB and let him develop on the bench learning from Romo....... i think this would be the perfect year to do that. imho Romo has 2 maybe 3 years left, and thats without anymore injuries........!!!

Still think we have more to build on outside of QB. Defense just doesn't really have enough talent to do this early. Plus this is a weak QB draft class. I like the Colorado State QB but that's really about it. I'm not sure I would take Winston or Mariota. Winston has NFL bust written all over him. If we go offense early I want it to be WR or RB. RB for obvious reasons. And the WR class this year is deep, and Dez isn't a guarantee after this year.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Exactly, look at what John Elway and the Broncos did last year,, he went ALL IN with big money FA and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and now forced to make major changes to the entire team and starting over....

Exactly.

This is for practical purposes the ultimate team game. And there simply isn't enough cap room or roster space to ensure a SB victory, much less getting past the first round of the playoff... there just isn't. Way too many variables at play... from injuries, to suspensions to a player's parent passing away and the player going into a funk for half a season. Just way too many.

I'd much rather have a team that has a very good chance of reaching the playoffs year in and year out.

 

[Stryker44]

Can't teams just keep restructuring indefinitely? Is it possible to get in cap hell anymore?

 

[Jenky]

Can't teams just keep restructuring indefinitely? Is it possible to get in cap hell anymore?

I think bad signings and dead money can come back to haunt you.

 

[Stryker44]

We don't know what he's asking. least I haven't seen or heard. We just know it's more than 4mill, which I don't find unreasonable.

If you're willing to give someone like Dez 15 million, don't you think Murray who took 400 touches deserves as much if not more?

Loyalty. Honor. Sacrifice.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

If you're willing to give someone like Dez 15 million, don't you think Murray who took 400 touches deserves as much if not more?

Loyalty. Honor. Sacrifice.

One position simply has more value than the other. Differing skill sets.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you're willing to give someone like Dez 15 million, don't you think Murray who took 400 touches deserves as much if not more?

Loyalty. Honor. Sacrifice.

There is no way Murray is worth Peterson money. With and see what he ultimately signs for. It will be half what Dez gets this year.

 

[Rockport]

See, plenty of money folks...............no need to worry about anything.

Yeah, that would put us in cap hell down the road. Easy for ignorant fans to say and I'm glad Stephen doesn't believe the same.

 

[Stash]

Can't teams just keep restructuring indefinitely? Is it possible to get in cap hell anymore?

I think we should ask the Commanders.

Based on their record, they've been living there for several years.

 

[Stryker44]

I think we should ask the Commanders.

Based on their record, they've been living there for several years.

By cap hell I mean having to do a fire sale of top talent.

Our issue has been overpaying people who lack talent.

 

[Stryker44]

There is no way Murray is worth Peterson money. With and see what he ultimately signs for. It will be half what Dez gets this year.

That is not fair at all - especially when you take into consideration that Dez needed a handler.

 

[jterrell]

I wish the title was worded differently. It reads as if this is being done, not if it is possible.

 

[Stash]

By cap hell I mean having to do a fire sale of top talent.

Our issue has been overpaying people who lack talent.

I don't know of any team that has ever had to do that, no matter the cap situation.

 

[Stash]

That is not fair at all - especially when you take into consideration that Dez needed a handler.

There's nothing 'fair' about it. The running back position has been reduced along with the accompanying salary. If some other team is willing to overpay for Murray, they can have him.

This offensive line and running game will still do very well.

 

[xwalker]

No, they have not.

Can't teams just keep restructuring indefinitely? Is it possible to get in cap hell anymore?

A team can push money forward indefinitely without the bill ever coming due within a specific limit.

Example:
For simplicity money is only pushed forward 1 year at a time in the example.

Year 1 a team spends 150M but the NFL cap is 100M. They push 50M to the next year to get under the cap.

Year 2 the team pays out 100M but also has 50M of money pushed forward from the previous year. That puts them at 150M again. They again push 50M into the next year.

Year 3 repeat year 2.

You can see than in year 2 the current spend was 100M and there was 50M of previous spend from the previous year.

As long as the current spend is less than the cap, they can push money forward forever. The 50M bill never comes due.

If the current spend exceeds the cap then they will eventually have a problem because the 50M number would get bigger every year.


In the example the team was operating at 150% of the cap every year and could continue to do it indefinitely.

 

[xwalker]

There's been a team in New England that hasn't had to go "all-in" to be competitive year after year. To a lesser extent Pittsburgh and Baltimore have done the same thing.

You know how to keep a team competitive year after year?

Draft better than the other guys, don't make stupid trades and jettison players a year early rather than a year late.

Face it, the Cowboys history with "all-in" isn't too sterling.

Then you have others like the Commanders and Eagles who've gone down that path too and failed miserably.

Regardless, we'll all soon know which path this year's version of the Cowboys is taking.

No, but they paid Revis 12M for 2014.

The Cowboys could pay Suh 14 per year and not be going all in.

 

[jterrell]

No, they have not.
A team can push money forward indefinitely without the bill ever coming due within a specific limit.

Example:
For simplicity money is only pushed forward 1 year at a time in the example.

Year 1 a team spends 150M but the NFL cap is 100M. They push 50M to the next year to get under the cap.

Year 2 the team pays out 100M but also has 50M of money pushed forward from the previous year. That puts them at 150M again. They again push 50M into the next year.

Year 3 repeat year 2.

You can see than in year 2 the current spend was 100M and there was 50M of previous spend from the previous year.

As long as the current spend is less than the cap, they can push money forward forever. The 50M bill never comes due.

If the current spend exceeds the cap then they will eventually have a problem because the 50M number would get bigger every year.


In the example the team was operating at 150% of the cap every year and could continue to do it indefinitely.

But it doesn't work like that is reality.
When you push money forward on guys like Romo you eventually have ot eat those large sums.
You can't push them forever.

That's why Dallas has stopped trying to do it. They learned it was essentially stupid, like living off credit cards.

So, no, Dallas doesn't do this now.
The team who did do it: Dallas, Wash, Pitt had very little success in trying to do so.

 

[jterrell]

No, but they paid Revis 12M for 2014.

The Cowboys could pay Suh 14 per year and not be going all in.

The Pats pushed money from their OL to CB.