Cowboys going after Greg Hardy?

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Common Sense said:
I'm not going to act like I know what happened in Romo's contract negotiations, but you'd have to be crazy to think that the Cowboys' cap situation and how badly they needed to redo that deal didn't give his agent some extra leverage. That's just not how the world works.
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Keep moving those goalposts.
 
Common Sense said:
I'm not going to act like I know what happened in Romo's contract negotiations, but you'd have to be crazy to think that the Cowboys' cap situation and how badly they needed to redo that deal didn't give his agent some extra leverage. That's just not how the world works.
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You are not going to act like that and then you go and do exactly that.

How old are you?
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
You are not going to act like that and then you go and do exactly that.

How old are you?
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Okay, let's use an analogy that might make sense to you:

"I'm not going to pretend to know how gravity works exactly, but in the history of the world, what goes up has always come down."

"I'm not going to pretend to know what went on in Romo's negotiations, but in the history of negotiations, both sides have always used whatever leverage they had to their advantage."

Is this registering yet, or should I break out the sock puppets?
 
Common Sense said:
Okay, let's use an analogy that might make sense to you:

"I'm not going to pretend to know how gravity works exactly, but in the history of the world, what goes up has always come down."

"I'm not going to pretend to know what went on in Romo's negotiations, but in the history of negotiations, both sides have always used whatever leverage they had to their advantage."

Is this registering yet, or should I break out the sock puppets?
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I am absolutely stealing that gravity line next time I'm having a futile argument. Most likely with a woman. That's gold.
 
Common Sense said:
Okay, let's use an analogy that might make sense to you:

"I'm not going to pretend to know how gravity works exactly, but in the history of the world, what goes up has always come down."

"I'm not going to pretend to know what went on in Romo's negotiations, but in the history of negotiations, both sides have always used whatever leverage they had to their advantage."

Is this registering yet, or should I break out the sock puppets?
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I don't know if that was a real offer, but I am all in on the sock puppets!
 
Common Sense said:
Okay, let's use an analogy that might make sense to you:

"I'm not going to pretend to know how gravity works exactly, but in the history of the world, what goes up has always come down."

"I'm not going to pretend to know what went on in Romo's negotiations, but in the history of negotiations, both sides have always used whatever leverage they had to their advantage."

Is this registering yet, or should I break out the sock puppets?
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Comparing your rationalizations of NFL contract negotiations with the theory of gravity is fun I guess. You look at it as something going up and down. I think of it as a curvature of space-time and am trying to wrap my mind around how the potential of a Higg's boson relates to the interaction of mass. Let's just say your standards for proving correlation are not sufficient to merit such a comparison. It's gratuitous and nothing more.

You have gone from Romo 'bending the Cowboys over' in negotiations to now saying that it has some effect. I am enjoying the bluster though.

You just make a ton of unknowable assumptions. For example: Romo's intention. I am a Spurs fan and have watched Parker, Manu, and Duncan look at a tight salary cap and take lesser deals. We have seen similar behavior from Peyton Manning taking $4m less in Denver with them tight against the cap. They still had to cut Knightley and let Thomas go. Manning had more 'leverage' and what you claim should happen did not.

Then there is the nature of Romo's deal. As more deals have been signed the histrionics from two years ago seem more and more ridiculous to use your term. He is 8th in AAV with Wilson, Luck, and Newton still on rookie deals.

this is interesting though that In a Hardy thread you bring up Romo. Shouldn't let myself get baited like this. Oh well.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Comparing your rationalizations of NFL contract negotiations with the theory of gravity is fun I guess. You look at it as something going up and down. I think of it as a curvature of space-time and am trying to wrap my mind around how the potential of a Higg's boson relates to the interaction of mass. Let's just say your standards for proving correlation are not sufficient to merit such a comparison. It's gratuitous and nothing more.

You have gone from Romo 'bending the Cowboys over' in negotiations to now saying that it has some effect. I am enjoying the bluster though.

You just make a ton of unknowable assumptions. For example: Romo's intention. I am a Spurs fan and have watched Parker, Manu, and Duncan look at a tight salary cap and take lesser deals. We have seen similar behavior from Peyton Manning taking $4m less in Denver with them tight against the cap. They still had to cut Knightley and let Thomas go. Manning had more 'leverage' and what you claim should happen did not.

Then there is the nature of Romo's deal. As more deals have been signed the histrionics from two years ago seem more and more ridiculous to use your term. He is 8th in AAV with Wilson, Luck, and Newton still on rookie deals.

this is interesting though that In a Hardy thread you bring up Romo. Shouldn't let myself get baited like this. Oh well.
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Good grief. We've gone from saying that negotiating from a position of weakness leads to adverse outcomes (and arguing over whether that's "effectiveness" or "rail bending," which is just a bunch of semantic BS) to bringing up the Higgs Boson.

But hey, if Chewbacca lives on Endor, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

I never claimed to make any assumptions about Romo's intentions, but it's obvious that he didn't relay them to his agent or else he wouldn't have the highest cap figure in the league this year at his position.

Let's just agree to disagree and get back to Greg Hardy.
 
Last Warning. Stay on the thread and stop the sniping. If you get days offrom this point on its your on fault.
 
Rogerthat12 said:
No you can't, if that were the case, every team would be loaded with them, premium rushers go early and often.
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If you look at the leading pass rushers in this league..the ones with the most sacks are not even 1st rounders. Most of them are 2nd rounders, 3rd and 4th rounders.......Greg Hardy himself was a 6th rounder.

jterrell said:
just as an fyi.. hardy was a round 6 selection.

but the gist of the point is valid.
hard to grab an immediate help as a pass rusher at 27.

tho there is little meat to this story as of yet, he is the most physically gifted pass rusher in FA and dallas has stated that it the one position they want to address in FA.
i still don;t see the money working out but i'd love to be wrong about that.
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Well I mean who exactly is a immediate pass rusher? Demarcus Ware came into the league with 8 sacks. JJ Watt had 5.5. Even a top 10 or top 5 pick is gonna come in and struggle some as a rookie.

I'm not against Hardy coming here but with a suspension looming...what should the money be? What exactly could his market be?
 
rocyaice said:
If you look at the leading pass rushers in this league..the ones with the most sacks are not even 1st rounders. Most of them are 2nd rounders, 3rd and 4th rounders.......Greg Hardy himself was a 6th rounder.



Well I mean who exactly is a immediate pass rusher? Demarcus Ware came into the league with 8 sacks. JJ Watt had 5.5. Even a top 10 or top 5 pick is gonna come in and struggle some as a rookie.

I'm not against Hardy coming here but with a suspension looming...what should the money be? What exactly could his market be?
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Again you draft evaluate based upon premium pass rush traits which are usually found early in the first.

Some second round players can demonstrate these traits but in this draft most do not see much in the second unless someone falls based on value.

It is based on probability to develop not a slam dunk, undrafted and late round picks develop sometimes but probabilities vary.

You better hope we can grab Hardy, he can eliminate forcing the issue in the draft.
 
Common Sense said:
Okay, let's use an analogy that might make sense to you:

"I'm not going to pretend to know how gravity works exactly, but in the history of the world, what goes up has always come down."
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The Voyager space probes say hi !

voyager1_high.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1
 
Common Sense said:
I have a hard time viewing takeaways as much more than statistical anomalies. I know it sounds crazy, but 5 INT seasons around the league happen all the time and never come close to being repeated by a good chunk of the players who have them. Remember when teams were fumbling their own snaps early in the 2013 season and everyone thought Kiffin was a genius?
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5 INT seasons by linebackers happen all the time? What other LBers have 5 INT last season
 
bkeavs said:
Alleged

Innocent until proven guilty right?

If he's released and able to play. Would you be interested?
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I would not be interested in signing him even if he was acquitted. That is an extreme example and if you were looking for Cowboys Zone's tolerance threshold, I'd say you blew way past it there.
 
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