Cowboys going after Greg Hardy?

[AzorAhai]

Carr's salary is about $9M/season over the next three years. If the Cowboys are trying to cut his base salary in half, then he's effectively making $2M LESS per year than Davon House (14 starts in 4 seasons). He has leverage in this market. Sure, they could wait until June to cut him out of spite, but then who's starting in his place? This team is a mess at CB and everyone knows it. In the long run, the team only saves $500K by cutting Carr this year. It's a net loss when you factor in his replacement. Let's not pretend like his agent doesn't know this. Yeah, you can pay for your 2015 draft by cutting Carr June 1st, but do model franchises really operate on the equivalent of living paycheck to paycheck?

None of the other stuff matters. All that matters is Carr will not be playing for the Cowboys on his current contract. Its well known and they have voiced it to him. He has no leverage. If he wants too much he will be playing for a different team. If he accepts a reasonable deal he will be back. You can twist it anyway you want, but its that simple. The rest of this nonsense is just noise.

 

[Common Sense]

And you are resorting to ad hominem.

I am not really talking to you as much as pointing out to everyone else in the thread where your logic is flawed. You are going to need to do better than this if you want to have credibility.

You have zero basis for your claim. There are no such quotes from Stephen, Jerry, McClay, Romo, or his agent to substantiate your claim. Requiring proof is not ridiculous.

Romo's agent had this team over a rail that year because they couldn't operate under Romo's current cap figure. Do you really think he didn't take advantage of that just to be nice or something? I mean, seriously, what is your alternative scenario where Romo's agent didn't utilize the leverage of the situation?

 

[Common Sense]

None of the other stuff matters. All that matters is Carr will not be playing for the Cowboys on his current contract. Its well known and they have voiced it to him. He has no leverage. If he wants too much he will be playing for a different team. If he accepts a reasonable deal he will be back. You can twist it anyway you want, but its that simple. The rest of this nonsense is just noise.

You do realize that outside of Madden there is all this contract negotiation stuff going on behind the scenes, right?

 

[AzorAhai]

You do realize that outside of Madden there is all this contract negotiation stuff going on behind the scenes, right?

Fact or Fiction?
Brandon Carr will be playing for the Dallas Cowboys this year on his current contract?

 

[justbob]

Between the lines gentlemen......sense or no cents stay on the track.

 

[YosemiteSam]

He's fat!

 

[Common Sense]

Fact or Fiction?
Brandon Carr will be playing for the Dallas Cowboys this year on his current contract?

Of course he won't, but his agent stands to make a lot more money if he can force the team to cut him rather than negotiate a pay cut. His agent is probably giddy over the idea of Dallas spending it's current $8M on free agents because it forces them to make Carr a cap casualty.

 

[texbumthelife]

Of course he won't, but his agent stands to make a lot more money if he can force the team to cut him rather than negotiate a pay cut. His agent is probably giddy over the idea of Dallas spending it's current $8M on free agents because it forces them to make Carr a cap casualty.

I would argue Carr stands to make more by renegotiating his deal. He won't get much on the open market. Specifically if the Cowboys make him a June 1st cut, when teams have spent all their money.

 

[bayeslife]

So what's going on here I feel lonely being out of the free agency race.

 

[AzorAhai]

So what's going on here I feel lonely being out of the free agency race.

Basically no news on Hardy. It might be better this way. Maybe all these other teams blow their cap space in the first few days and it helps keep his price down some.

 

[texbumthelife]

So what's going on here I feel lonely being out of the free agency race.

I told your agent I was willing to give you the left twix. He wanted both. We couldn't make it work. Sorry.

 

[Common Sense]

I would argue Carr stands to make more by renegotiating his deal. He won't get much on the open market. Specifically if the Cowboys make him a June 1st cut, when teams have spent all their money.

I respect that. But if you're looking at it from his point of view, Dallas is probably trying to negotiate down from $8M this year to $4. Who knows whether the next two years are voidable or if they're negotiating a pay cut/guarantee exchange for those. It's not inconceivable to think that a player like Carr could get more than $4 guaranteed from a team over the summer who totally botched the draft.

 

[justbob]

Isn't the left twix turned upside down actually the right twix making it worth the same as the left/right twix

 

[texbumthelife]

I respect that. But if you're looking at it from his point of view, Dallas is probably trying to negotiate down from $8M this year to $4. Who knows whether the next two years are voidable or if they're negotiating a pay cut/guarantee exchange for those. It's not inconceivable to think that a player like Carr could get more than $4 guaranteed from a team over the summer who totally botched the draft.

That's why its a negotiation. I don't think the Cowboys are crazy enough to think Carr accepts simply taking a pay cut with no added incentive. Most likely, they convert some of it to a signing bonus and Carr's per goes down but guaranteed money goes up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Romo's agent had this team over a rail that year because they couldn't operate under Romo's current cap figure. Do you really think he didn't take advantage of that just to be nice or something? I mean, seriously, what is your alternative scenario where Romo's agent didn't utilize the leverage of the situation?

I don't need an alternate. You are making stuff up and asserting it. I just have to point out your lack of proof. I am fine with "I don't know." You should try it.

 

[texbumthelife]

Isn't the left twice turned upside down actually the right twice making it worth the same as the left/right twix

If his agent sees this, you're dead!

 

[AzorAhai]

Isn't the left twice turned upside down actually the right twice making it worth the same as the left/right twix

Ok this seriously confused me lol.

 

[TheDude]

I am on board for adding a real pass rusher.

If Charles Manson could run a 4.7, show good bend when turning the corner and had good ankle flexion, I would be in favor of signing him.

Manson's more of a DB, good 40 time, baiting the QB, etc

You're looking for a Tex Watson

 

[Common Sense]

I don't need an alternate. You are making stuff up and asserting it. I just have to point out your lack of proof. I am fine with "I don't know." You should try it.

I'm not going to act like I know what happened in Romo's contract negotiations, but you'd have to be crazy to think that the Cowboys' cap situation and how badly they needed to redo that deal didn't give his agent some extra leverage. That's just not how the world works.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok this seriously confused me lol.

if you take the Twix package and flip it over then the right becomes the left ergo that should not have stopped the deal.