Cowboys have made offer to Waters

[viman96]

When do the Cowboys return to Dallas? After the next game?

 

[Fredd]

interesting stuff...not sure if waters has anything left in the tank, but I am willing to see what he's got....now, if the rest of the team can just stay healthy....

 

[Picksix]

When do the Cowboys return to Dallas? After the next game?

Yes.

 

[windjc]

Can someone give a viable reason why signing Waters is a bad idea?

The only downside I can see is losing 2-3 million of cap space that could have been rolled over into next year.

The upside that we have a all-star calibar guard or maybe a little less than that.

The midline, is that we get a decent upgrade from what we have now barring no injury to Waters during the season.

Offensive line has been the weakest link on this team for a while. So, what is all the complaining about? There is potential high upside and only monetary downside. And going into next season rolling over 5-6 million in extra cap vs. 8 million, is not really something that will make or break this team.

 

[skinsscalper]

My understanding is Waters has had the offer since 8/7. I concur with the others that if he signs it will be after the team returns to Texas. If he signs that spells the end of David Arkin. I think Livings sticks due to his contract.

I'm not so sure T31. The thing with Livngs is that he has hit his ceiling. Arkin still has the slight hope pf upside. If Jerry had to choose which one to cut loose, my money is on Livings. All speculation at this point, but that's just how I would see it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Bad drafting and poor moves and decision making has gotten us where we are today with the OL.

Completely agree. That is why I am excited as you are they are now rebuilding the right way thru the draft.

 

[Plankton]

Well it looks like they were right no Leary (altho it's still early). Sometimes you have to let your players duke it out to succeed. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Arkin to add strength over another off season in the NFL. As for Bernie and Livings, I agree with you there, I was never high on either of them. But again, Dallas hedged these risks knowing that a player like Waters would be there at training camp. It's not like the O-line situation is a disaster and we have to sign Waters. Waters gives us the chance to solidly the oline. If healthy, he can be one of the better OGs in the league. Any time you have that chance to make an upgrade like that, you go for it.

I think that it was completely unreasonable to expect Arkin to add strength - he hadn't done it for two prior seasons where he did not see the field. He also had two offseasons. In a lot of ways, he resembles Doug Free in not having functional football strength, but Free has managed to learn enough technique to get by. Guards have it much tougher in this regard because the tackles are generally much stronger than the defensive ends.

With Waters, you're assuming that he will pick up where he left off a year and a half ago. That's a bit of wishful thinking, IMO. To me, if he had a strong desire to play the game, he wouldn't have sat out for the previous year, and he wouldn't be negotiating to miss camp. I think he's entirely in it for the paycheck, and those signings typically do not work out. JMO.

 

[Plankton]

I believe Frederick is the real deal and Leary has done nothing but impress so far. There's every reason to have hope there.

Livings, Bernadeau, Costa, Kowalski, Arkin, Free. No hope. Those guys just can't play IMO.

I agree.

The sad thing is, that the depth at tackle is even worse than it is at guard. Coughman and Weems are absolutely terrible.

 

[Risen Star]

I agree.

The sad thing is, that the depth at tackle is even worse than it is at guard. Coughman and Weems are absolutely terrible.

Yeah, I was hoping Parnell was legit. Don't know what happened to him this summer.

 

[newlander]

Yeah, I was hoping Parnell was legit. Don't know what happened to him this summer.

nicked up and is now the 'invisible man'...just another in a string of OL disappointments for this team

 

[Stash]

Waters has proven he's a professional. I don't see any reason to question his desire just because of the money he wants or him only wanting to play for a Texas team.

The man simply hasn't got to play anymore, that doesn't mean he won't give it all if he plays. I'd expect nothing less from him.

This.

He wants to play.

He doesn't have to play.

 

[Doomsday101]

Tim MacMahon‏@espn_macmahon
I'm told that Brian Waters is in great shape and feels refreshed after a year off from football.

I could have sworn i though I saw Dallas worked out both Waters and Moore and he was their no1 option. Let me look some more.

If he does sign I hope he is ready again I don't want a guy who is just looking for a check, if the passion is not there then it is a waste of time for the Cowboys. Guys playing for a check will not gut it out when things are tough and their dedication is not to the team. I'm very leery about this move but if it happens of course I hope for the best.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, I was hoping Parnell was legit. Don't know what happened to him this summer.

Parnell tried to practice the first 2 days of camp with at bad hamstring and couldn't. He then had to sit out until he got healthy.

 

[burmafrd]

Parnell tried to practice the first 2 days of camp with at bad hamstring and couldn't. He then had to sit out until he got healthy.

sadly early word was that he had regressed even before the hammy.

 

[burmafrd]

I think that it was completely unreasonable to expect Arkin to add strength - he hadn't done it for two prior seasons where he did not see the field. He also had two offseasons. In a lot of ways, he resembles Doug Free in not having functional football strength, but Free has managed to learn enough technique to get by. Guards have it much tougher in this regard because the tackles are generally much stronger than the defensive ends.

With Waters, you're assuming that he will pick up where he left off a year and a half ago. That's a bit of wishful thinking, IMO. To me, if he had a strong desire to play the game, he wouldn't have sat out for the previous year, and he wouldn't be negotiating to miss camp. I think he's entirely in it for the paycheck, and those signings typically do not work out. JMO.

It is well known that strength programs get their greatest results in the first year; and diminishing returns after that. And his problem seems to be lower body strength which is harder to build anyway.

 

[xwalker]

sadly early word was that he had regressed even before the hammy.

No, Broaddus failed to report that Parnell was struggling in 2 practices due to the hammy. It was discussed on the radio that Parnell tried to play through the issue but couldn't and that his struggles in the 2 practices were due to the hamstring.

 

[Seven]

I think that it was completely unreasonable to expect Arkin to add strength - he hadn't done it for two prior seasons where he did not see the field. He also had two offseasons. In a lot of ways, he resembles Doug Free in not having functional football strength, but Free has managed to learn enough technique to get by. Guards have it much tougher in this regard because the tackles are generally much stronger than the defensive ends.

With Waters, you're assuming that he will pick up where he left off a year and a half ago. That's a bit of wishful thinking, IMO. To me, if he had a strong desire to play the game, he wouldn't have sat out for the previous year, and he wouldn't be negotiating to miss camp. I think he's entirely in it for the paycheck, and those signings typically do not work out. JMO.

Everybody and their mother tries to get out of camp. Contract negotiating is a nifty little tool to do just that. He sat out because he wanted paid and didn't NE have his rights? Any who........he isn't the first to hold out for cash.

I think we've all got that little bug in our ear that tells us almost every vet they have brought in came here to retire because jerry paid them. We were the end of career dumping ground. JMO, of course.

 

[burmafrd]

No, Broaddus failed to report that Parnell was struggling in 2 practices due to the hammy. It was discussed on the radio that Parnell tried to play through the issue but couldn't and that his struggles in the 2 practices were due to the hamstring.

huh. Supposdely he did not get the hammy until Day 3.

 

[xwalker]

huh. Supposdely he did not get the hammy until Day 3.

They didn't pull him out of practice until day 3. According to the conversation on the radio (it might have been Mickey), they said that in retrospect they realized that he had the hamstring problem from the beginning but he didn't say anything to the trainers until the end of day 2.

 

[honyock]

They didn't pull him out of practice until day 3. According to the conversation on the radio (it might have been Mickey), they said that in retrospect they realized that he had the hamstring problem from the beginning but he didn't say anything to the trainers until the end of day 2.

That makes some sense. I had wondered if that was at least partly why the reports on him weren't too good the first couple of days of camp.